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Right...you're talking about the brackets that supported the original wheelhouse roof overhang? Good observation.....I need to find that in an image if it is possible. Rob
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Nice to see we are on the same track.....in different scales. Wonderful. Rob
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I'm still certain there is ornamental bracketing on either side of the overhang....it only makes sense and would be in the context of the overall architecture and design of the building. IMV. Rob
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Thanks so much Arina....it is a real labor of love. So many of us are really putting in the time to make sure she is as accurate as possible. It is funny to think how this entire process evolved and how the right people came together with a similar passion. All of us standing in the wake of what Mike began so many years ago. Tell him we are getting along. Rob
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Yes....I'm not so sure the windows had a complete round top...it's all guess work from here....but curved can be an issue for craftsmen...since all other windows are square....I think adding them or not will not break the bank IMV. Rob
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I'm still curious about the doors Rich. If they swing, as Mike portrays...they are laying too flat against the house wall to be fully natural. But the presence of a door knob on the left of the door is very peculiar. that indicates the door is swung open fully...but the door appears to be wider then the opening for it. However, that opening is blocked by the machine structure in the foreground. Looking at the door frame to the right....in the same picture shows the door frame in relations to the window next to it. Suggesting the open doors entry is wide enough but is simply blocked from view as stated earlier. Back to the door......other images show sliding doors on the fore cabin and on the boys cabin....it would seam continuity would be in order and that the aft cabin doors would be sliders as well. The base edge of the door gives an indication that the door is a push, then slide to the right(from inside) style door. but that nasty door knob throws a wrench in the idea of a sliding door. Quite confusing for sure. Evidence leads us in several directions, without giving us truly any concrete answers. So if the doors swing out....and that is indeed the door knob...the doors swing out to the right and we are looking at the paneling of the inside of the door. Which is mimicking the paneling of the outside of the door.🤪. Looks like more artistic license is in store. Rob
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Great drawings Rich, but there are actually only 9 stanchions across the front not 10. The images you posted show this clearly. However, you windows and doors and the recessed panel work is super and I will try to incorporate these drawings in my impression and build. Rob
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Thanks Rich. Looking forward to it. Rob
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Mikes drawing shows a curved house but the image on page 56 shows the rail for the house to be straight, if you look at it closely, plus the same image shows ornamentation where I suspected the two other doors. Rob
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Fantastic job your paint work is spot on it’s beautiful, took a lot of time I’m sure, steady hands. Rob
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Finished up the retro fit backstay channels and chain plates. Rob
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It would seam if we were to follow the natural layout of the main cabin and dining hall the doors would follow this natural arrangement. Cept for the incorrect outward swing of the exterior doors which slid sideways. Rob
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Oh yeah.......my last build was her as originally built by Donald.....NOW...I'm stepping her up. I'll have two models of her...one as original and one as fully modified. Though there will be hull discrepancies(With old one), the deck houses and furniture will be to her original design. Donald was a spearheader by adding catwalks on his deck houses....namely on the Lightning and on the Donald McKay. Glory may not have had them originally...but they do mirror that of Donald McKay, as he was a visionary. It made access across the decks far easier and was actually a staple on many DownEasters and the larger German Iron Square Riggers. Now that I finished the channels and deadeyes......I'm going to work from the stern forward and begin work on the aft(Poop) carriage house and helm. I will work the house but not glue it down...cuz I want to be able to remove it so I can work on the rail. But I do not want to add the rail first, because it will get in the way of the carriage house construction. I need the room and space to add the railing because it will all be one piece. Its corrected forward stanchions, that are canted inward to allow for the shrouds and lanyards to freely pass to the tops will be determined with the cabin off the model. Its going to be a back-n-forth operation. Once the railing is established and secure......then and only then will I glue down the carriage house. Oh.....I hope others noticed that the leading edge of the overhang of the house does have an ornamental carved bracket. One on each side. Campbell draws one out in his cabin comparisons in his clipper ship book of American and British cabin designs. You can see the ornamental bracket just through the deck machinery of that photo of the deck house front. Rob
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Thanks Pat. When I have uninterrupted time, I can speed along. There is so much I do not include in my logs....a lot of back stage stuff...like the process in making the chainplates.....and channels. Those were completed days ago in assembly line fashion. I will now add the additional single channels and chainplates for her 2 additional backstays that were added during her 1872 upgrade. The main chainplates are from round iron bar, where as the new plates are of flattened plate/bar with out the use of preventer plates. the entire plate was bolted to the hull similar to plates of costal schooners. Quick, easy and effective. They need to look intentional and have similar molding...but still look like an addition or afterthought (which they were). Rob
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Making the chain plates was tedious and repetitive. But I worked fast and uninterrupted. Now I’m going to make the mod chain plates and channels that were added after 1872. Rob
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Now I need to paint and weather them. Rob
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HMCSS Victoria 1855 by BANYAN - 1:72
rwiederrich replied to BANYAN's topic in - Build logs for subjects built 1851 - 1900
Sweet work Pat...fine machining. I've yet to use my rotary table to make spider bands...you did magnificent. It's this kind of precision work that sets your model as the bar to be aimed for. Rob- 993 replies
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I've got your books in my library and I reference them all the time...though I do not go that *Deep* with my builds...the terminology and research you have done has paid off in dividends. Thanks Ed. Rob
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I'll re-evaluate...I'm still not truly convinced yet......thanks for the intel. Rob
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Remember...we cannot be sure of where these dimensions actually have their origins. 24' from actually where? this corner or that edge? That is why at times I rely upon my own acute eye to aid in aligning what looks right. Rob
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I noticed that right away. the curve of the deck is the establishing criteria for aesthetic lines. The aft carriage house roof follows this curve...it is natural to assume any harmonious design would continue this aesthetic. So we are looking at 4 doors and 4 windows. I say that because in keeping with the harmony with the spatial arrangement of the forward wall it appears only logical to have doors on either side....there is ample room for them and the photograph surely shows the outlines of a door. These door were push slide doors. they probably sat in a grooved guide that allowed the occupant to push it out and slide it to the right along is routered slide. I've seen this unique design on very hold houses, windows and interior doors. Images show a similar design was employed on her main deck cabin where her donkey engine was stored after her major refit in the 1870's. Doors on ships didn't *swing*....they slid to the side. I don't mean to be critical of your drawing Rich, but I think she had 2 more sliding doors on her aft cabin (Corners)....facing the main deck. What do you think? Rob
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Rich. By evaluating the height based upon the men standing by the rail...averaging in that they are probably around 5:8ish...and seeing that the rail bisects his crotch area....I determined that the stanchions are roughly 26~28" tall...adding the thickness of the rail itself, roughly 2.5~3"...you have roughly a 30" rail. Could be slightly taller or shorter when including the rail base the stanchions are bolted too. Definitely shorter then what we would consider today to be *safe*, but when you are negotiating a pitching deck, you are probably bent lower or even slightly crouching to stabilize your movements. The aft rail around the poop and helm house follows the same dimension, based upon the average mans height.....evidenced by the men posing there. Rob
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