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Modelers license. I can only defer to what other shipwrights did during the period. When building my steps I focused on the step itself and gave no thought to the risers on either side. I may repair them to satisfy the discriminating viewer. Benjamin F. Packard Rob
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I appreciate that. Still I can identify loads of errors and miss steps. One is that I tried and tried to make the top stanchions thinner and more spindly, but they all kept breaking or separating. Turning them that thin was very problematic......so I had to settle on making them a bit thicker then I wanted to...just to keep them uniform and intact. A necessary compromise. I'm sure I'll have to make other compromises as I progress. This scale does present its problems. Rob
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Dowmer...in this image you can see the step clearly does not go to the top. They use the poop deck as the last step. A natural progression.
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Great read. Did you notice that I was able to fit two stanchions at the aft ladders/steps leading down to the poop deck? Now I’ll add the stove chimney and the begin on the aft hatchway and cover. I’ll still be adding lots of minor details to the stern as I go along. Rob
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This is why I use paintings to validate but not to draw from. They are great paintings, for the most part accurate, but photos don’t lie. Well not these ones anyway. Thank your wife again for me. I’m glad it came out so well. Rob
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I also received this image and I am pleasantly pleased with much of the details, however some errors still persist. Note the absence of the wheelhouse vent and the missformed iron rail detail. I agree it is wonderful, but other photographic evidence is preferred. I finished up the top stanchions and rail for the carriage house roof. The gap if for the addition of the catwalk after I finish the boy house. Rob
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If you see on the Glory, there are four *Scupper* doors or freeway/freeing doors(Similar to those found on the CS). These could be held open, but I assume they were simple hinged and opened when water was on deck and opened when water pushed against it. Some wooden ships had scuppers that were copper or lead lined holes that ran from deck level, through the gunwale, discharging outboard. Many clippers did indeed have scupper ports, but from what I have identified, Glory of the Seas bulwarks were just over 6ft tall and thus large ports were used to remove *wash* from the decks. Rob
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I began to install the carriage house deck stanchions. First, each stanchion had to be measured and trimmed(If necessary), to make sure they all were the same height(Length). Of course, I needed enough for the catwalk that leads from the carriage house to the boy cabin. I will not place stanchions or rail where the catwalk will go, but will place the rail on all the other stanchions. Unlike the images of her being modified for canary duty, 9 stanchions will not be used....but 4 per side of the catwalk Painting will also be done too. When I get home, I will finish up the work and I will provide pics too. Rob
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I opted to slightly use a greater bend to the iron rail end, because from my own perceptions it just flowed better on the model. On the prototype from the angle we are able to see, the curves appear softer....but that might only be the oblique angle creating that effect. In later images I don't even see the wrought iron sections..... Rob
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All I had was a half an hour, so I placed the aft rail iron works. Rob
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Man Vlad...you are cooking. So many mods and installs, its amazing. I like the carriage house upgrade....it will be amazing when you are finished. I also noticed the boy house addition in one image...... Any pics of that and the main cabin together? I'd love to see the ship in its entirety if possible. Rob
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I completely agree with you. It is the only way we can express our actions. *Transcription errors* in the context of this particular subject constitutes the actual error induced by the human ability or inability and the error that is nearly impossible to eliminate...*scaling*. Sure, I can deduce a prototype measurement of a foot and scale that to 1/8".....but here comes the Rub of the matter.....accurately translating that 1/8" via rule/scale/micrometer/Bowley gauge to the media. Wood, plastic, whatever. And the issue of *closeness* and mental acceptance. I know for a fact that my own skill set limits me at times to accurately replicate in whatever material I'm using....the identical scaled item. So many items that I build, either are slightly compromised or altered to suite my mental limitations of biases. In most cases it translates to my inherent laziness. THAT is the Transcription error, I speak of. To the casual viewer it appears that an *Exact* scaled model is before them...when in reality all it really is, is a good representation based upon the actual vessel that has certain characteristics one may identify with the prototype. All one can do as a modeler is make their model looks as closely to the vessel they are modeling. I hope I have not driven a wedge of confusion into the subject. I'm just anal that way, I guess. Rob
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George...I appreciate your use of thin copper wire to replicate the bars on the windows. I contemplated that for the bars on my Glory skylights, but opted to keep it clean and prevent any unrealistic and out of scale mishaps. As time goes by, and if I some how I ingeniously fabricate something to replicate these brass *cages*, I might consider adding the detail. Your build is coming along so very nicely. It is refreshing to see another McKay clipper coming down the ways. Rob
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I was thinking about your comments, and I couldn't let it go without pointing out one overlooked issue. Transcription errors. Though we have a far better collection of images provided by Mike...it still relies in the hands of the modeler to translate or transcribe that photographic imagery into a believable 3D model. The biomechanic correlation, coupled with synaptic agitation can indeed be an inhibitor when translating what the optic nerve bundle sees to what the brain perceives. Not to mention what the hand creates from all of this. *Reverse Engineering* is a great descriptor, though we do not have the original to handle and measure directly. An NRG article would be a fascinating read if done thoughtful and well. Rob
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I tried to follow Mike’s images the best I could, but I didn’t have half the images we have now. Plus the only large hull available was the Revell CS. So I attempted to correct the most glaring issues, namely the cut water and the angle of the bow……. plus by adding an ample top gallant rail to heighten her sides. I had to live with the incorrect dead rise of the CS hull. So much to modify to maker her remotely accessible to pass off as Glory of the Seas. Those experimental days are behind me. The old model will remain until the new one will replace her and the artifacts will be transferred to her display. Rob
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Thank you so much and for the fine comments. Please remind your father I am most honored by his kind remarks. I am compelled to recreate Glory as best as I can and to honor her by doing my utmost to fully translate photographic evidence into a scaled model. She is my passion. Rob
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Thanks Pat…….I’m trying, but I still am not at the level of your crisp clean Victoria. It could be the scale or just my old hands, but your build is the bar setter…..I’m sure. Rob
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Here is what I did with my first glory. Rob
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Glad. I remember our first conversation about building a Donald McKay clipper. It is so fun to watch how this has all evolved.I remember our first conversation about building a Donald McKay clipper. It is so fun to watch how this has all evolved. I see your plan now that you want to build her as she was originally on the Ways at Donald McKays shipyard. No add one’s, no auxiliary things, just Glory, ready to be launched. splendid! Rob
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Glad, it’s amazing how we are not that far from the same place in construction of our respective builds. It’s fun to see our progress is right on track. And to think we are half way around the world from each other. Rob
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Wonderful progress Vlad…….for sure. So many elements it’s dizzying. I’ve learned so many small details myself. One, that the bumkin’s are square on deck but are turned round once they exit the hull. Kinda like the bowsprit. You are closing in on you final days of construction, if you are going to follow your plan of just making a hull model with stub masts. Are you going to add the dead eyes and chainplates, or stop there? Will you be adding David’s and boats too? I plan on fully completing her……..so I have a very long way to go. You have done masterfully thus far and you should be proud. Wonderful, just wonderful. Rob
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HMCSS Victoria 1855 by BANYAN - 1:72
rwiederrich replied to BANYAN's topic in - Build logs for subjects built 1851 - 1900
Pat, possibly one side of the haul yard was fixed at the mast head and the chain ran down to split pendant, that then again was secured at one end and the other had the purchase to the deck and or winch? Rob- 993 replies
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I finished up some painting and some touch ups. So much more to do. Rob
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