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In furtherance of gathering details of period details of Glory....I have come across a few questions. I understand that the famous painting of Glory...the one Rich loves, (By Walters) has some details I'm not quite sure are accurate. This is loosely based upon dates. I understand that this famous painting was done by the artist who had personally seen Glory and thusly painted her as he saw her. This , alone helps us evaluate her hull accuracies. Rich...do you know the year this painting was done? I ask, because she is depicted Without her additional backstays(which were added during her major refit in 1872). She is not portrayed with white recessed chapeling, but fully varnished masts . And possibly a hint of red banding. The painting does depict her carriage house to boy house catwalk. It appears she also has an iron anchor, but noticeably no gaff on the main mast . Now....on the other side, is the photograph of her in San Fran in 1877....where she clearly has a wood stock anchor, white painted chapeling and dark/black banding( suggesting a dark color, possibly black). Clearly the additional backstays are seen. No stun sail booms are present, but her Howes double topsail crane and boom are present. She has no stay spreaders and she has a monkey gaff on her mizzen as well as in the painting. All of these anomalies cause me to wonder. Lastly the photograph of her in San Pedro shows her without the catwalk? Dating the image will help, since hogging of her hull had already been identified, making this image taken after her catwalk was removed, and in her later years. Lots of questions. Rob
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Interesting, she is not listed as a McKay clipper....probably because she was listed as a *Packet*. Small little thing...probably 600~900 tons, I would guess. Captains had supreme rule on board and owners allowed them to paint,.,trim, them in whatever scheme that made an impression. Many captains had controlling interest in their ships and so making such decisions was their privy. Plus, as mentioned, they could be easily recognized from afar. I'm truly not sure Glory had red bands during her 1870,s time period. Rob
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Yeah...once I repainted them a more weathered oxidized red...they fit right in with the weathered hull.....and I feel better about them. Now that I see them all together....the effect they exude is quite attractive. The rest of the masts and yards will be stained and varnished in like manner. I will paint the bottom and leading edge of the tops white...but leave the top/walking surface stained/varnished. I will now clean up a bit, remount the hull, set it aside and use the Dremel vise to hold each mast as I construct it. I'll treat each mast as a separate project. Makes the construction go by much faster(In my head), if not in actuality. Rob
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Some outlandish paint schemes and even printing on sails were made to make an impression. The Dreadnought comes to mind . Rob
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Well I got done finish painting and banding the mast so the lower mast are all complete ready to be finished as far as some of the boots and seats to go into them but they will not be glued in at this time. I think this new band color is a lot more acceptable it’s more subdued but I believe it’s still represents the red banding that McKay used on this particular ship. Now I’ll let things dry and I’ll be prepared to start on the top mast and the heads and the doubling’s and just moving up the mast……..here we go. Rob
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Well I decided before I tear everything off and start over with black bands I will go ahead and touch up the red bands with a darker brownish red paint to see what it look like and this is what it looks like.Well I decided before I tear everything off and start over with black bands I will go ahead and touch up the red bands with a darker brownish red paint to see what it look like and this is what it looks like.
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Read several accounts in several of my historical books on clipper ships and many times captains would paint the bands bright red so I’m not sure what they meant by bright red, but I’m sure that it was meant to be distinct and make a point. I’m still evaluating if I want them bright red or red at all , I might just change them to be black , I’m not really sure if I like the look. Rob
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BeganTo finish the foremast I cut back the doubling and painted the chapeling and banded the mast and put it in place to take a look. Not sure I like the red. I still have to oil the mast and apply a mat varnish finish. Rob
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Next are several photos showing all of the chapel spacers glued into each mast . I will now take all the masts out and turned them on the lathe. First I sanded the high edges of, so as not to create undue stress while turning to the proper diameter. Rob
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Next I set up the mini table saw and began to cut the spacers
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Well here we go. I firstI took the wood over to the router table and cut in the four notches.
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Hopefully I will take more images this time around. Rob
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Like the Israelites, it was self inflicted…….and again, like the Israelites, only a remnant made it into the promised land. Shedding off our wandering , we entered into Glory’s rest…… mmmmmmmm. Rob
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That, right there my friend, is clear as crystal...... Thanks, Rob
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🤪 66' fore mast from deck, 72' main mast from deck, and 61-3=58' for mizzen from top of carriage house roof. It's like extracting a tooth slowly...... We'll get there, but we're gonna feel a little pressure...... Thanks for all your help. I'll use dead reckoning to determine the actual length of the doublings....based upon the known distance of 3" of distance between each mast band.
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66', 72', and 61' is the actual length. Round Banded portion and the square banded doubling portion? The 5' addition that you added was that for the distance of the doubling portion or something else? Rob
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OK......As much as I dooly appreciate all the fine mathematical wizardry, and how much sincere thought went into factoring in keel and backbone dimensions, which directly contribute to mast total length....and how much I am amazed at your dizzying intellect in compiling all this rich data, basically I'm a simple man...and a simple length for each mast from the deck to the mast cap would suffice for my simple purposes. I gather that the actual length of the masts (from deck to mast cap) are now 49', 55', and 47' respectfully.......is that correct? Rob(Not to be disrespectful in any way)
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63.5, 69.5, 58.5 Riiight. Rob
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Good mathin....... Rob
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I thought the mast measurements were from deck level for the lower masts? That is all I really need......right? My calculations from my last build, gave the mast length from Deck level to top cap of the doubling. Rob
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I don't want to find a rare colorized image of her some day....that will probably blow everyone away. I'm sorry I haven't put any work into Glory for a week or so. We watched the 5 grandbabies last weekend(I took Friday off), and this week has been delivery of gravel...grading..cleaning up foot deep piles of leaves and.....well...I barely had the time to go to the bathroom. However...I will go and get the dowel material needed and I will work(I took this Friday off) all day on the lower masts, getting them cut, turned and chapeled. I hope to *bust them all out. Once done...I will follow the construction process I used building the mast of the Great Republic. All done off model. Thanks, for your continual encouragement. Generally I do not have a second set of eyes(3 sets in this case), keeping the details fervently in front of the construction process.....checking(double checking) accuracy. Now that the construction of the hull, deck furniture, houses is all complete.....I can settle back into the routine of constructing her masts and spars and the miles upon miles of rigging that will be necessary to make her complete. These items are not so much ship specific, so my experiences in fabricating them will make this job relaxing. Rob
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Keith…… glad you are moving forward. I love rigging and so much is typical, so you should have good success. Rob
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Well Pat, I can correct the mast issue…….but the other issues are what they are. With that said, it was the idea of making a true to reality hull of Glory…… and that was the original intent. These minor(I call them minor), elements are not deal breakers in the least. Only true Glory geeks would make them so, and even then it’s not the end of the world. Thanks for the continued confidence. Rob
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I'm glad he approves...even though I have managed to reproduce some blatant errors Namely the carriage house aft reduction and the forecastle height discrepancy. I made these egregious mistakes, even after having all the correct information right in front of me. My anxiousness to get her built, violated several of the greatest modelers tenants. Patience and accuracy. Today I re-evaluated my composite mast construction technique and, again, I think I am going to change the construction process up again. I'm going to work from dowel material and use my table router to remove the chapeling material. Turning the mast on the lather from glued square stock resulted in slightly off center round masts. It is slight and thusly is caused the 4 chapeling segments to be slightly unsymmetrical. It is hardly noticeable, but to me it is unacceptable. This is what I referred too as slight blemishes, in an earlier post. I'll set up a jig on my router table and cleanly cut even grooves. This is how I did it on the masts for my Donald McKay clipper...but I used a home made mini table saw then. This go around I will use a nice router bit. Then as before...add the chapeling spacers and again, paint, and sand till clean and smooth. Things will run truer on the lathe this time....resulting in much nicer composite masts. IMV. Rob
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