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Let me get this straight< You want a pic from the stern....looking down on the stern or aft from water level? What in particular are you looking for...Deck structures, or hull structures? Rob
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I have yet to install the pumps and wheels, but it will be tight for sure. Long way before I get to the rigging...still so much more to do till then.. Rob
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Thanks Vlad. The boats will be mounted upright in their boat chocks mounted on the skids and canvas covered. Like the picture...minus the boy. Rigging is still a long ways off...building the composite lower mast will precede that.... Rob
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While I was constructing these features, it became clear that the aft overhead skid, acts as a skid for the boats as well as support for the cat walk that is over and resting on it. It wasn't clear at first how these elements would interact and interface with one another. But it is obvious to me now. It is also obvious that the cat walk is much longer then one would suspect from trying to figure it out from the limited images we have. It is hidden between the boats, so it really is *invisible*. How it attaches to the boys house will be left up to my engineering, artistic license, since the forward boat skid needs to be accommodated. I suspect a small step over was created to prevent accidental tripping on the roof as boys/men negotiated around these roof structures. It will be clean and cohesive. Trying to draw from Mikes original drawings was helpful, but still proved to be problematic as far as some dimensions were concerned. Sheer crowding and known structural dimensions limited actual, logical locations for structures. Regardless of any corroboration of disinformation, I was able to *fit* everything necessary to fulfill the deck plan of Glory during her heydays. Enjoy, Rob
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I test placed the main pin rail or fife rail for perspective. Boy the deck is getting crowded. Ron
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I still have to place the turned supports on the pump side. Drill out for pins too. The trick is making the boys house roof level with the carriage house so the cat walk is level to the deck. The large skid needs to fit under the cat walk and still support the boats level. Lots to juggle. Rob
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They are meant to be shutters, slider or swing. It is not clear what kind Glory had. Artistic license prevails. Rob
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I began to build the main fife rail and another over head shot. Rob
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I have a collection of model railroad building construction supplies. I just modify stuff to work and I used scale lumber for tiny stuff. Rob
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I wanted to say that the boys house is smaller and shorter too
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Actually the boys house is smaller. It’s 16x16 not 18
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Started the aft skid. It has to be just lower then the catwalk, but tall enough to be even with the forward skid on the boy house. Rob
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“Issues”……. You mean artistic accommodation 😏. I will correct the forward carriage house stanchions, since they are the obvious glaring issues. The only thing that will dampen my enthusiasm is………is……….give me a minute…… Rob
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Yep I noticed the moment I finished it. How did that happen? Well the carriage house roof slightly curved and would you know it the flat bottom stanchions followed the curve. Did I see this yep. I have thought about it long and hard and I will correct the front ones on the right side(facing the the house) only. Why? because they are the most offensive. Slightly leaning outward, following the roof curve. I know the front row consists of 9 stanchions. That was after her boys house and cat walk was removed. When these items were in use I calculated 4 per side as I have demonstrated. Thanks for being bold to point this out openly, but I was aware of it as it occurred, but I also know that some details will be lost or even obscured by other details, such as rigging, masts and yards. Rob
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No, Rich, you have been more then gracious with your compliments and encouragement. I am full of emotion at your accolades. I just was venting out some observations. I have not included you in any of my rantings. I know your passion is as fervent as my own. Rob
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You know what's funny...back when I first built my first Glory...I also concluded that the original wheelhouse HAD to be more square and most likely the dimensions you suggested of 15ft square. I too struggled with the drawings that Mike had made and then trying to reconcile them to actual photographs that just didn't seam to align. Elongating her prow is in of itself one thing...for, far too many other components are being effected as well. As is the case with my slightly robust naval hoods...they do not effect the length of her hull, nor the true location of her figurehead to other known structures, such as her bowsprit. The top leading edge of the hood is in alignment with the planksheer that it aligns with. It is, however the (true to scale and design) lower trim that brings into error the width of the hood...which in turn places the Howes hole slightly lower then the prototype. Can such an error diminish a scaled models true over-all accuracy? I don't think so. Your drawings have been a clear motivation and are far more accurate then anything we have seen thus far. However, as painful as the redraw might seam...it will probably be the best course of action. I'm just going to learn how to apologies a lot for my oversight and learn to live with disappointment. Rob
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See...this is the issue we have when discussing translation from 2D to 3D. Or from picture to actual model, from one scale to another. Its easy to sit back in your arm chair and critique others work(Not you particularly), but when so many eyes are looking at something...even the most glaring issue can be hiding in plane sight. When trying to translate dimensions, what appears the truth can actually be as false as anything. This is why I tried to get you to see that the bands on the bowsprit need to be viewed from their extreme bottom...because that is where the figurehead is. Look up the bowsprit to the next rings lower edge and you can easily see the *truth*. This is the method we must use when reverse engineering the Glory. This all began, because what we saw others do(Mike and Ron), we knew could not be correct...though they *Knew*, AT THE TIME THAT WHAT THEY WERE TRANSLATING WAS THE TRUTH. It only took years (Or weeks) to be found out to NOT be true. Ron's own recent redrawing of Glory STILL had glaring structural errors, and that, coming from a seasoned, professional. This is why any *transcript errors* folks may find in my translation, are, for the most part, subjective. Unless they are so incorrect, it changes the entire likeness. We're gonna have to just live with the slight hood *thickness*and not let it be a *game* changer, since the trim surrounding it is pretty much spot on...so lets focus on that if we need to focus on something. One last note...if someone is so particular about their own position, how is it that a drawing that passed peer review can have blatant errors? Look closely at Mike's profile and line drawings of Glory in his book and notice he has the flywheel of the pumps mounted inside the frame of the pin rail, when in fact, if you review the photographs of Glory being converted and while a canary.....you can see the construction scene on her deck AND men on the deck sorting fish and the flywheel of the main pump is clearly shown on the *OUTSIDE* of the pin rail frame. It is easy to make these kinds of mistakes when the task of creating or fabricating is so large. Swough........Nuff said. Time to move on to funner stuff. Rob
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Mind you, I changed and redid and corrected many errors...such as removing and rebuilding her bowsprit because it was way off scale and far too small. Similarly, like what you are doing with her figurehead. Some changes just need to be made because scale actually changes other crucial items. But slight perspective errors in most cases are either fabricational errors or simply oversight and are generally not outside the privy of the modelers license. Rob(Preparing to make more mistakes)
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Rich look at the band,s bottom, not the band itself. Follow it around and down. That is the bands true edge. What you see on the sides is curvature illusion. Zoom in and you’ll see that the band is right at the knot of hair in its bunn. If you follow the third and fourth bands to their lower edge, you will see Athene,s head is much closer to band 3 then 4. Rob
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Don’t look at the 3rd band from its side, because that is optically confusing. Look at the band’s bottom edge and you will see that it is just behind the figureheads head. Rob
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As stated elsewhere, I noticed it from the start but opted to NOT tear all my work out for such a minor discrepancy
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Sometimes slight errors are part of the creative way. Rob
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I made sure the third iron band on the bowsprit was over Athens’s head, where it should be. Rob
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