Peter Cane

The muffler and exhaust looks great.

The nuts and bolts as mentioned are made by the firm Meng.

There are three different sets A ,B and C.

They are 1:35 scale but nuts and bolts are nuts and bolts.

I think you need set A whereas the nut is fastened on the bolt with a little of the bolt protruding.

I bought mine from a local model shop but I have just checked ebay and they can be purchased from there or Amazon.

Just type in 

MENG NUTS AND BOLTS SET A 

And you should get there.

Pete

This is what I mean Nils.

Pete

On 10/2/2016 at 7:02 AM, Jond said:

This new building log is meant to tell a long and broken tale of model building. The serious work began a few months ago when I decided to try to rescue this model and take it further along. Perhaps to stop it with a deck only completion since it would be so big to include rigging, or to breeze through and design removable rigging to allow sailing.  Before we get in to that dialogue I thought it best to tell the saga of the 15 years to get it here.  Fortunately that will only take a few posts. so here we go again

 

I started to learn the trade, and truly I still am really only  learning, by setting up a small shop in the early 1990's, at a former summer home here in Maine and building a wooden kit of a Dark Harbor 17 at 1:12 scale sometime in the later 90's.  Like many I was working away and had dreams to be relaxing in a shop but realty kept us away. I never worked closer than 3 hours from this summer home and usually further.   

 

During these years I thought  about wanting to build models that would sail.  I had roughly ten years to go before retirement and thought that was time to try a few things and figure it out. 

• My first venture was to buy an Antique Marblehead Pond yacht, vintage 1936.  I restored it partially and then copied it building a new replica.

 

 

In august 2001  I went to the  wooden boat school in Brooklin Maine with my son for a fun vacation and learned to build a 50 inch new Marblehead class pond yacht. They were called Naskeags.    They are pretty but built purely for the challenge of sailing. 

 

Then looking at the half built  dark harbor hull, at 17 inches, and the half built Marblehead Naskeag  at 50 inches I decided on a goal.  I would continue to build kits or scratch of classic boats to develop some skill.  I would continue to read and read some more about the maritime history as well as model building, and thirdly i would continue to build sailable pond yachts to get some to sail.  Ultimately I would learn to scratch build classic boats at a large enough scale that would respect the design but also try their luck in the sea....harbor or pond at least.  Gloucester Schooners were also first on my mind for a challenge.

 

When did we start this build???

 

Some of you have followed my earlier attempts with a four masted schooner the Charles Notman and the classic 1938 Boothbay Harbor One design racing sloops .  Well here we have a boat construction that spans the whole period of 2001 until now.

•  Here we see the 1992 to 2004 shop. I got to spend a few weeks a year there prior to 2000 and then weekends.  You can see the two Marblehead pond yachts that filled much of my time .  Hidden just out of the picture on the right is the partially built Dark harbor model. Most important on the back left is the building board and stations for a scratch build Gloucester fishing schooner that will become the basis of this build. This photo is dated 2002

At the time I built this frame, my memory tells me incorrectly as I recently figured out, that is built it up form Gertrude's lines.  With the outgrowth of windows 98 and Auto CAD lt 97 it is not surprising that I no longer have any of the cad I did for this build. 

 

Here you can see the roughness of the build. I was clearly over my head at the time and fortunately stopped. 

 

•  The keelson assembly  is  made of three laminated 1/2 sheets of plywood so it is strong and true.  [ It includes keel,  stem, keelson and made up structure up to the the transom based on pond yacht construction methods...  See my other log for detail]   This method  is Good for sailing but the forward stem  is a problem [ you will see later].

Is she Gertrude Thebaud, Columbia or Bluenose???

I could write for pages but the short version is as follows.  I read that Columbia was the same size as Bluenose and considered to be the fastest ever built. Unfortunately she died young.  Here is the text from Ship Wiki  ...remember length on deck 141 feet

• ·         Columbia is a Gloucester Fishing Schooner. It was built by Arthur Dana Story from the design of Starling Burgess, at Essex, MA, 1923. The Columbia represents the final development of the Gloucester fishing schooner, famous for speed and seaworthiness. It participated a number of international races, including the one against Bluenose in Halifax. In August 1927 when it was hit by the two Gales, the well-known "Graveyard of the Atlantic", Columbia was lost with all hands off Sable Island.

·        

For years my memory was I had decided to build Gertrude.  All my files said it etc.  anyway  part of the reason is in the following text from wikipedi....remember length on deck 135 feet

 

• ·         \Gertrude L. Thebaud was an American fishing and racing schooner built and launched in Essex, Massachusetts in 1930. A celebrated racing competitor of the Bluenose,^[1] it was designed by Frank Paine and built by Arthur D. Story for Louis A. Thebaud, and named for his wife, Gertrude Thebaud.^[2] In their first meeting at Gloucester, Massachusetts, in October 1930, the Gertrude L. Thebaud bested the Bluenose 2-0 to win the Sir Thomas Lipton International Fishing Challenge Cup.^[3] However, in 1931, two races to none, and again in 1938, three races to two, the Bluenose defeated the Gertrude L. Thebaud to remain the undefeated holder of the International Fisherman's Trophy.^[4]

I further learned that she went to the arctic in 1934 with MacMillan one year as Bowdoin stayed home.  I continued to think I was going to build her and I remembered incorrectly that I  had taken measurements from her scanned set of prints when I built the frame.......you'll see

 

Bluenose.  Here is intro from wiki pedia ....and again please remember length on deck 143 feet

 

• ·         Bluenose was designed by William Roué and built by Smith and Rhuland in Lunenburg, Nova Scotia. She was launched on 26 March 1921, and christened by Audrey Marie Smith.^{[citation needed]} She was built to be a racing ship and fishing vessel, in response to the defeat of the Nova Scotian fishing schooner Delawana by the Gloucester, Massachusetts fishing schooner Esperanto in 1920, in a race sponsored by the Halifax Herald newspaper.^{[citation needed]}

 

• Bluenose vs. Gertrude L. Thebaud, International Fishermen's Trophy, 1938, final race
• ·After a season fishing on the Grand Banks of Newfoundland under the command of Angus Walters, Bluenose defeated Elsie (out of Gloucester), returning the International Fishermen's Trophy to Nova Scotia. In 1930, off Gloucester, Massachusetts, she was defeated 2–0 in the inaugural Sir Thomas Lipton International Fishing Challenge Cup by perhaps her most celebrated competitor, the Gertrude L. Thebaud.^[2] However, over the next seven years of racing, no challenger, American or Canadian, could take the title from her.^[3]

 

The question again...which to build

 

There are so many Bluenose models I thought for a long time about making an American boat.  The designers Starling Burgess and Frank Paine come up again and again. The 1937 Ranger for us here in Maine is a big deal.    The fact a new replica of Columbia sails and all who see her say she is a  marvel.  [ Images of the replica is easy to find on the net].  Well to be honest there is a funny story here on me how in the end the model became Bluenose.

 

To make the original frame in 2001-2002 I obtained the 3/16 scale rough model plans  from Piel Craftman in Newburyport, MA for both models BN and GT.  While I was in his shop however I fell in love with another boat named Dancing feather.  My rear admiral feels the feather is one of prettiest schooners she has seen so guess what took priority.

 

• On again off again working on vacations and moving houses to our current home [ means rebuild a shop] only it took from 2004 to 2012 to get this one far along and it was a real rough job much of which may be redone. Here she is a year ago moving away to live in the new sail loft and thus make room for Charles Notman to hold the shop entrance way display area. I had made her 3/4 scale to size at 50 inches on deck.  I will never work in that odd scale again.

 

 

In the mean time, I was assigned to work in Canada for 3 plus years and while I was there came across a set of really nice 1/4 scale drawings of Bluenose.  These I now see are easy to get on line as are similar plans for Columbia. They are both drawing by Philip Eisnor and available though a sister site modleshipbuilder.

 

Finally...we start again

It is summer 2012. I am assigned to travel overseas but spend several weeks through the summer here in Maine.  What to do......

 

Please look at my other two builds [ Charles Notman and Boothbay Harbor one design] for detailed discussions on the sailable hull  build method.  

 

•  The plans were scanned, plumbed and inserted to CAD.  The white paper inside on aft stations was printed off and attached to luan plywood. Blue tape separated a 1/32 birch plywood strip rib.  The cedar is rough milled from 1"/6" stock to be 5/32 [ which only means 1/8 - 0 +1/16 tolerance] by 5/16 .  We want to start faring the hull with no less than 1/8th wood thickness. Planks soaked in ammonia water then wood glue and toothpick pinning to the sstations through the ribs..

 

•  Here the laminations for the Keelson assembly are clear [see Notman build] . Notice there is  no transom at this point.

 

• almost finished. See the roughness of the bow.  As I said i was way over my head when I started this hull.

 

• Here we have all planking on and sanded.

   

•  And here she goes back up to the ceiling for storage....it's 2012. and I am still thinking we are building Gertrude Thebaud.

They sent me away for work again and it was another year before I could really focus on my modeling goals.  This was the year I found forums like this one and started reading articles , sites like models of dummies, practicums and building logs.  I was getting ready

 

cheers 

 

 

 

Hello Jond.

I am going to build the same size of model as yours.

Before I make a mistake I would like to ask your advice before I start cutting my red cedar logs into strips. 

What size of strips are best for the planking?

I also note that you are using 1/32" strips for the ribs inside and this strikes me as somewhat thin.

Is there a reason why you did this please?

Like you, I do not have to go through the bother of correctly planking it as per a static model and per the book as the whole will be glassed over and then sprayed with two part car paint so the work will not even be seen.

Pete

Wow...brass fish!!!!

Who would have thought of that!!!

And the mesh basket for them too.

Absolutely brilliant idea.

Reminds me of when I made brass etched model locomotives.

The motor is looking good.

I hope you will leave the brass pipes in brass?

Maybe varnish them to prevent them going dull and ugly in the passage of time.

When I made my model locomotives in G scale, I bought some sheets of plastic with hundreds of nut and bolt tops moulded on to them.

One simply slices them off and epoxy or super glue them where you want them.

This could be of interest to you and the engine build?

Keep it going please.

Love it.

Pete

Nils thank you for posting further pictures of your progress with this model.

The engine is a masterpiece in wood and yes The clutch lever really looks the part.

I do hope you keep us informed on further developments as it will look splendid when finished.

.

I suppose we have to start somewhere.

I plan to build a 1:24 scale version of " Bluenose".

I have read in depth Jond's version and will follow it closely as it worked. He is a very patient and excellent modeller.

Both my son and I are overwhelmed with the successes of this very famous Schooner.

My son said that " this is a beautiful boat dad ....I just love the lines".

It was only after reading further into it ( Bluenose )

That we became educated enough to realise what " Bluenose " was and what she represented.

My son Damian certainly hit on the lines.

He said without even knowing anything about her.." Dad....this is the ship to build".

She is beautiful.

My son is an artist and has an instant eye for beauty.

He recognized in an instant that " Bluenose " had to be "it".

At nearly 69 years of age it comes to the time that we listen to our siblings and no longer have to tell them what to do but do as advised!!!!

We  have started the journey into " Bluenose" and I guess it will never end as learning is endless.

What a boat!!!

I have made several ships in bottles, and a few kit builds but now the challenge is set for me.

This ( to me) is a big challenge and I will need helping out.

I am learning naughty terms....sorry ( nautical ) terms and have a thirst to learn more.

Meanwhile hopefully, here are a few shots of how I am starting out.

The first is of yours truly having just arrived home with a lot of red cedar logs.

The second is of our building board specially built to the size of the yacht with two huge logs of cedar on top.

The build board is mounted on a trolley with wheels so I can get to any part of the build.

We live in Australia.

The pics are of the building board for Bluenose and the huge hunks of red cedar we bought from my ol mate down the road lie in readiness for the hull planking. I have two more logs like this.

So I guess a build log starts with exactly that.

LOGS!!!!!

The sheets behind are MDF to form the hull formers on which the planking will be done.

The formers will be sacrificial.

We await the plans from Canada which will be scaled up by double the size.

I believe they are Eisonor plans.

Pete

Hello everyone.

I am Pete

I am about to embark on building a fully sailing RC version " Bluenose" in 1:24 scale.

Preparations for her are being made and we await plans from Canada.

Good health to you all.

Peter and Damian.

Australia.

Is that the completed model now?

I was looking forward to the engine and cabin build.

Peter