Egilman

Thanks Jav, Yep, that is the way it is usually done, but I have some issues here that the finish creates, one of which is the coating of future that is on it, paint doesn't stick too well to it... This needs a different approach... Thanks Dennis, Fortunately, I had the foresight to get an extra set of decals for this the Print-Scale #32-017 for an F-86E for the tech stencils which is it's claim to fame... Included with it is extensive 1/8th" inch black stripes, (4" in scale) And I can trim down the residuals of the Kinetic set if I have to.... If I have to I can print another, decal paper is reasonably cheap and I have HD images of the full sheet, Inkscape, and a capable printer, just need to get the fixative spray from Hobby Lobby if I need to go that way..... There are a few things I need to account for with the finish and will be posting my solution soon... Thanks everyone for your support and well wishes.... It's has helped a great deal given my RL situation... The Sabre and me have a kind of symbiosis going on it doesn't want to be finished and is making me work for it much like the P-51B was and F-104 have been as well... They are forcing me to make it happen... {chuckle} Nothing is going to prevent me from finishing this bird... (my neighbor who helps the wife from time to time spied it on the bench and asked how I got the finish said she has never seen anything like it speaking of the metallic look, she has never built a model before and never seen a modeler at work, and it stands out for her) This kinda confirms all my brothers here have been saying... All I can think of is Shepard's prayer, "Lord please don't let me screw it up now" Thank you all... Thank you, Thank you all...

Thanks Craig... I put a fair amount of research and time into figuring it out and I think it's bearing fruit, still a lot of learning to go with it to reach Paul Coydrette's expertise level, but at least I know the direction to go now... (I'm hoping that more modelers take the dive and experiment with it, give it the place it deserves in modeling) The Sabre is one of the most beautiful aircraft designs ever built, I only hope I do it justice..... Thank you Dennis... I am still hoping so, it's not finished yet....

I just got an updated notice from the PO that my paint will arrive in today's mail!!! Wow! that is fast for the USPS from Maine to Washington... They must have put it on a plane... So I guess I had better get my butt in gear... {chuckle} Update coming soon...

Update... I have to paint the mid fuselage ID stripe... My technique of doing this is simple but involved... Please bear with me as I explain it... The Insignia Yellow paint is scheduled to arrive on Monday so I need to start prepping for it now.... The first step is to mask out where the marking goes.... The inside edges of the tape represent the position of the marking... and we need to double check to see if we get it close... Close enough... All painting will take place within the tape boundaries... The bottom is roughly laid out as well... We then clear the insides of the tape overlap... And at least check and see if the opposite side looks the same... The second step is coming up, re-masking the edge and covering the rest of the fuselage in masking paper to protect it from the next parts of the process....... More as I get to it....

Thanks Ken, Yep surprising that it is only the main stripe, the checkerboards were right next to it... I searched for a while online and I could only find one copy protected pic and anecdotal testimony, sufficient to convince me but not enough to offer as absolute proof... Thanks to Jolly Roger who provided the evidence of my presumption... I love this fora... Thanks Jav.... Your 51 came out very nice... Yellow on decals has always been a hit or miss proposition, sometimes it covers well others it doesn't similar to white... Generally you have to prime underneath them with either white or grey which is going to present a problem here... I will get into it on the next update....

The Naval variant! Cool! I'm in, pulling up the comfy chair...

I'm here Brother, wouldn't miss this...

THANK YOU SIR!!! That first image is a great general reference image for the insignia pattern showing the pointed stripe..... Also, you have it over most variations of F-86 usage RF-86F in the first image, a foreign service F-86E (australian), and a flight of US F-86F's... That is the best confirmation of my educated guess anyone could provide, full rounded and total... Thank you Very Very Much... You da Man!

Thanks Ken... That's what Micro Sol does for decals, softens them so they stretch/shrink fit over whatever is underneath... Their advertising is "For that painted on look" and yeah it's telling the truth... In many ways I'm glad it was the main stripe and not one of the others, the Print-Scale set is made for the stripes to be painted then the 4" black edges decals laid over the yellow paint edge... Not how I really wanted to do it, but it is what it is.... But I also learned a few other things in researching the ID stripes themselves... Just about every model maker and decal producer has the fuselage stripe decal wrong... They have them curving over the back in a rounded loop... They weren't painted that way in real life... When they were painting those stripes, they dropped a line from the aft end of the open canopy to a point on the fuselage back and made a mark... The stripes down both sides start from that point and continue in a straight line to the end point of the flap on each side... There is no curve to them at all across the top, they come to a point... There is only one pic I've been able to find of a top plan view of an actual aircraft... A 4th FIW Sabre when it had the black and white stripes, (just prior to converting to the yellow for all Sabres) in the same pattern taken in flight... They were pointed at the top of the fuselage, discussion in several fora of old pilots says the same they were pointed... Thinking about it, it is the easiest way to do it in the field with simple tools.... The wing stripes were 36" wide and the fuselage stripe was 21-24" inches wide with 4" black borders.... The decals are in scale I'm happy to say and the checkerboard pattern edge angle is off on every real life sabre I've been able to see it on... Overall the decals are great, just very unfortunate that the biggest one of all decided to split apart at the critical moment...

It was the interrupter gear that allowed belt fed weapons to fire through the propeller arc that was the vast improvement..... Belt fed weapons had been around since 1876.... (Hiram Maxim is credited with the first modern belt fed machine gun, the Maxim gun of 1884) The British extensively used it and an improved version of it in WWI &WWII, known as the Vickers Gun)

Actually, the Spanish American War/Turn of the century...

Beautiful rendition of a Nieuport 11 Bebe' brother.... You need a DH II and a Eindecker to go with it (in keeping with the period) {chuckle}

Another short stabilizer update... The left one seems to have gone down ok.... You can see where it split around the trim tab actuator but that's an easy touch up.... I went ahead and put on the right side.... Still has to finish drying but it looks like it is conforming to the surface fine, you can also see where they got the angle a slight bit off, not worth screwing with... They have gone down fine, I don't know what the problem with the fuselage main stripe was but it doesn't look like it's effecting the rest of the sheet.... (which is good, the stars and bars are pre-cut for the speed brakes, I sure would hate losing those... I would have to cut the Print-Scale ones manually, ouch) So, what I'm going to do is continue to put the rest of them on except for those that have to go over the stripe... They will have to wait for painting....

True that! Sorry Rik....

Yep they estimated it would take six mainframes to keep the system running through the entire mission, but they only had room for five.... So they kept a crew working on and monitoring them 24/7 My understanding was #5 had been running for almost 8 hours all by itself before they finally got #1 restarted as backup... They didn't have self testing routines back in those days, mechanical faults had to be tracked down one by one and from what I read, #2 was dead/kaput, #3 was going to take another 24 hours to get back up and #4 was 12 hours into figuring out what caused it to go down.... It was speculated that if the mission had run another two days they would have completely lost the mainframes.... Now that would have been a disaster...

Short update.. The second largest decal the left side vertical stabilizer decal.... Waiting for it to shrink from the Micro Sol.... Seems like it went on ok.... When it dries completely, I'll do the right side and see what I get...

And the onboard computer systems of the Apollo Command Module and LEM combined were less powerful than a TI-80 hand held calculator... I'm a member of several fora that go into detail on the software engineering that went into the Apollo missions... And, there is an actual simulator that is running the command software to this day.... The mechanical and structural engineering was a wonder, but without the software engineering they never would have got off the ground much less walked on the moon...

And the very very top of it including the stack cover would be powdery black from the soot... (that is if it was an operating tractor) Beautiful work my friend.... The heavy iron master...

And that gives you all the right to ask any damn question you like... IMHO.... {chuckle}

Yep and from time to time the same phenomenon occurred with various fast cars characterized by the nose of the car lifting off the track and the car doing the cartwheel fore and aft down the track.... in the '80s it happened in one spectacular crash during a Nascar race at 220+ MPH and a study was commissioned by Nasa with the aid of MIT to find out why... The Reason? The cars that were rising and flipping all had hard surface underbody pans, the idea was to reduce drag by having a smooth surface underneath, what they failed to realize was as they started slipstreaming the upper car bodies to reduce drag, they were beginning to take the shape of airfoils... The curved upper surface was serving to create lift like an airplane wing rather than push the car tighter to the surface... The cars wanted to fly.... CAN-AM realized this effect way back in the '50's and solved the problem by redesigning the car bodies into wedge shapes and adding downforce wings to the rear of the cars, Formula 1 followed suit soon after with wings fore and aft, upside down airfoils using the lifting properties of airfoils to keep the car glued to the track... They can actually drive on the roof upside down when at speed... (wind tunnel proven) The downforce created actually slows the car by about 20% from it's absolute top speed.... Why did it take till the '80's for the genuises of Nascar to follow suit? They drove wedge shaped cars through out the '70's... Engineering can take some strange turns and sometimes basic principles get lost in the transition.... The Stanley Steam land speed racer had a flat plywood floor that closed up all the spaces, the shape of the body was like an upside down canoe, the flat under floor acted like a sail in the wind... A deadly lesson missed back in the day....

Every year brother, the insurance company pays for it... last checkup no cataracts, but we all know that could change... My glasses are prescribed for driving/distance but they may need adjusting... I've already put in the order for the paint with True North... They say 5-7 days to get here... I guess I can work on the landing gear and empennages while I wait... I'm debating on trying the Verticle stabilizer decal, that black checkerboard one which is fairly large as well... Better to know now rather than later...

Thanks Alan.... Yeah I find the 2.5 -3.5's the best for FOV & magnification, the higher ones narrow the view so much that you have to really be on top of what your working on... Just have to get used to wearing them...

Well, it was going too good to last... The big yellow fuselage stripe? Didn't even make it off the backing paper... Now I've got to do it the hard way... And yeah, it has to go on first.... And wouldn't you know it? that's right, I'm out of Insignia Yellow.... {chuckle} Oh well, the life of a plastic hacking modeler... {chuckle} Onwards...

My pleasure... His record setting run of 127 mph was set a few days before the attempt which killed the driver, they knew it would go faster and they were trying... the 150 MPH wasn't recorded as a record cause of the failed second run, so according to the land speed record rules the 2nd attempt speed couldn't be certified... After that The Stanley company quit doing speed runs.... A damned shame if you ask me...

Yep eccentric timing is everything with these engines, a two cylinder version of this same engine is what powered the Stanley Steam Car to 150 MPH in 1906? (experimental version) at Daytona... when it was returning on it's certification run, it's flat bottom caught a gust of air off the beach and flipped, disintegrating itself and the driver... It had cleared the gates at over 160 on the return before it flipped.... At the time, it was the fastest mechanical device on the planet... Locos were doing 80, cars were lucky to get up to 30, and airplanes were barely cracking 70 mph.... When fine tuned, they were very powerful, and very high revving as well.... (depending on how they were engineered)