Robert Taylor

Deadeyes Rigged, now Rigging the Shrouds 🤺🤺🤺⚓⚓⚓

"Santa Catarina Do Monte Sinai" Pyro 1:144 scale.

Starting to take shape...

Everything has came to a halt these past 6weeks due 12hr shifts and of course Christmas.

Standing rigging & blocks done, next started rigging the deadeyes for ratlines and running rigging for each corresponding Mast. Looking forward to getting on with this and to finish her off with hand sewn sails, long way to go, but thankfully off work till the 7th January.

Hope Everyone had a Merry Christmas, and Happy New year to you all when it comes.

Happy Modelling ⚓⚓⚓🤺🤺🤺

Hi Bill, 

Still working on my Pyro 1:144 "Santa Catarina Do Monte Sinai" 

Everything ground to a halt these last 6 weeks with Christmas and 12hr shifts at work.

Just finished the standing rigging, now onto the running rigging and ratlines per mast mate.

Great additions Bill, 1 I've built obviously the other 2 are in my stash too.

Which kit will you be starting next ?

Well done Bill, a beautiful  finish, she stands tall and proud, great work my friend. 🤺🤺🤺⚓⚓⚓

What's up next on your bench ? 

Next stage being the rigging, this is not looking good, as I only have these 2 b&w photos at the end of the instructions to go with, I guess this could be a bit make shift, but will try and make it authentic looking as best I can, especially  on this size of kit, as I am not used to working on fine detail on this scale without proper instructions, but I have to persevere and see this through the on coming storm.

Happy modelling everyone 

Rob.

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13 hours ago, Backer said:

The purpose of a spritsail was to help with steering. It may be that this was still experimental during this period.

With the help of the spritsail it was also "easier" to keep the ship on course.

 

Helpfull?

Oh, I  understand that, but I would also like to point out, that I to, have the same drawing in a book I have called Galleons and Galleys, but this is a modern drawing and not from the time period, that's why I preferred to go with paintings from a similar time period, not to say they are right or wrong, but there must be something in it. 

I guess in the end we will never know truly whether this carrack and many others used spritsails for definite or whether drawings or artists impressions were added to or taken away during the course of history.

Hi Ron, 

I will be following this build with much interest, I have built this model twice in my lifetime the last one being finished 5 months ago,  and I must say it is my Favourite Airfix kit of all time.

Happy modelling 🤺⚓👍

A little bit more progress.

Have cut dowels and doubled the yards for the Fore and Main sails as with Carracks from this period.

These are all now fitted and painted, the masts are now complete.

After some research I will not be including a bowsprit sail or yard as original paintings seem to depict the Santa Catarina do Monte Sinai  with none and various other carracks from this period, albeit  some do, so I guess it begs the question  why did some and some not use them ? 

My personal opion I prefer a carrack without one, as another identification of the type of vessel, I think adding the bowsprit sail and yard takes into the early stages of the Galleon.

I have added a couple of photos of paintings of carracks for information discussions.

Next stage is the standing and running rigging if I can get any decent info on it as the kit being 54yrs old only provides 2 poor b&w photos.

Happy modelling everyone 

Staysafe 

Rob. 🤺🤺🤺⚓⚓⚓

That's what happens when your nearing the end of a build you have loved doing, I was the same with my kit Bill. 

The comfort I have though when I finished it, was that I was really proud of it, and don't think I could have done better. 

She now sits tall and proud on display where I see her everday.

I'm  not normally so ott about anything I do, but I am with this for some reason.

No probs mate, you done a great job on the rigging too certainly coming together, well done! 👍

17 hours ago, Bill97 said:

Robert I like to detail paint the little figures Revell includes with  their models. That will be the same with the Man O War. I have tried looking online for period British naval uniforms I am guessing 1600’s time frame. Any suggestions?

Hi Bill, 

You could try this company, I know they do Spanish and English pirates think the scale is 1/72. 

I didn't use the figures for mine as I thought they weren't  good enough quality compared to Aifix figures on the Golden Hind.

Here's the link to Drum and Flag mate. 

https://www.drumandflag.co.uk/

1 hour ago, Hubac's Historian said:

This is a lovely model you are making, Robert.  I remember seeing the English galleon in the hobby store, when I was a kid and being completely captivated by it.  I had done an absolutely terrible job of building the Spanish Galleon, and thought that one day I might try the English version with its bonaventure mizzen.  Anyway, it's nice to see such good, clean work.

Thank you for those kind words, I completely overhauled the paintwork and added architectural features as well  as hand sewing my own sail, as I just didnt like Revell's finish.

Thanks Ron and Louie for your kind words. 

A reason for the fast process of late Louie is just that I have a bit more time off work atm. Also I paint all my parts before dry fitting then final assembly, so a lot of what you see may well have been  painted a while ago, but not having time or just taking a break comes to the fore sometimes, don't  get me wrong the masts  and and cannons were done the past 2 days as I found myself with extra some welcome  time to spend.

All Cannons and decking now painted and fitted. 

Mizzen and Bonaventure masts fitted.

Life boat and Awning built, painted and Fitted, the Awning is only dry fitted as per instructions obviously to help with rigging later and to show life boat when required.

Now Making and doubling the Yards as was with these Carracks in the 15th-16th centuries, for my own hand made Sails which will follow later. First time I have ever made my own yards so hoping this turns out ok. The Sails will also be altered from the normal(hopefully) with a Double billowing effect from the middle as well as at the ends of the sail. Reinforced the Main and Fore masts as per normal with the split masts from some kits.

Nice one Bill, looking forward to seeing how your transfer comes out onto your main sail, that is always something that has intrigued me(transfer printing) albeit I do not have a printer, ahem! Let's just say me and printers have always had a short term relationship lol..

3 hours ago, Bill97 said:

Robert how would you compare the size of the Wasa to the Golden Hind?

Hi Bill 

I don't  think there is a lot of difference length wise but the Wasa  maybe a couple cm smaller width wise.

3 hours ago, Bill97 said:

After seeing the pictures and reading your comments I did a little online search. There is a 13 part build video of the Soleli Royal you have. That is an impressive ship to build! You will enjoy it. Kind of expensive brand new on line and sold out on eBay. I also really like the Airfix Wasa. I have found it available and am going to add that to my Christmas. I can’t remember the scale of it now. What is your’s? Going to look for the Prince also. 

Hi Bill, that's good, The Airfix Wasa has a 1:144 scale albeit as I said before these scales are not historically accurate as these Airfix tall ship boxes are all the same size more or less.

There is a Prince on ebay but very expensive at £69.95 someone trying to take advantage of its rarity I think.

Yes I paid full rep price for the Soleil Royal and Hms Victory  both £159 each,but brand new, even pre owned ones go for about £130+  so there is little point in that incase something is missing or broken, these kits are well sought after, the Victory I got, the seller had 3 brand new and I kid you nor these went within 20mins of being posted.

Not sure if I have anything  for my Christmas that I really want, may just get myself a Zvezda or Heller kit i dont have but nothing expensive, not that i need anymore atm.

Hi Bill I forgot to add there is actually another 2 kits to this stash that Airfix Endeavour and Zvezda Conquistador "San Gabriel" which is actually a rebox of Revell's Vasco da gama's Nau San Gabriel.

For some reason I do not have a photo of the Endeavour on my phone atm.

Hi Bill, as you can see there is a couple of doubles, like the Heller Royal Louis, the reason for this one was because I had to write on of them off, as it came with 2 right hand Hulls and the Company never replaced or refunded myself,, and Heller never replied to my emails, I have also seen that this has happened on a few occasions with this particular kit for some reason ?

Also the Heller and Zvezda  Hms Elizabethan are both the same kit unbeknown to myself at the time, I also thought they were of different size which they weren't, I guess you live and learn, however they did not cost much, so not so out of pocket.

3 hours ago, Bill97 said:

Pretty much the same situation here Robert. Building these models is what has gotten me through this covid-19 shut in. Just go back to my building area, sometimes with a bit if bourbon, and tinker away. We also have a room filled with grandkid stuff that may someday free up some display space. I just assumed since you had all those great pictures and information about galleons you had built them and had them in your home. 

Hi Bill the ones I quoted to you and a few more I do have in the house but are unbuilt atm, I have bought them when the became available  as some are hard to get now.

This is my stash that I work from.

Hi Bill, No I haven't  built all your ships you referred to. 

I have never bought the Cutty Sark as it just didn't  do anything  for me, albeit the starter pack I did was a stocking filler last xmas.

The Uss constitution I do not have as I can't get hold of the 1:96 scale one, I do however have the 1:96 USS United states but unbuilt atm. 

The Heller Victory I have too unbuilt as I have just purchased it and of course I have built the Golden Hind.

Of the ones I have mentioned I have built a couple a long time ago when I was young, but now lost, a few of the kits I couldn't  get for one reason or another when I was young like Hms Prince and the Wasa but have now been  able to purchase this last year.

I am only  just bk building kits this last 6months as covid hit and I was laid off, its been  40yrs or so since I last built kits so at the moment  I have 3 built, English Man O'war, Golden Hind and Cutty Sark starter kit and the " Santa Catarina Do Monte Sinai" is my work in progress, so that's kinda 4.

Not sure which kit will be up next think it might be a Heller French one time will tell mate.

Yes Space is a problem  atm we have a spare room full of granddaughters toys, but this will become available in time, so its steady as you go here with builds albeit I have shelving in to take care of anything just now.

3 hours ago, Bill97 said:

Ok Robert thanks. I have not seen a smaller one completed. Like you say the architecture is the most important. I just wondered if the small ones looked as impressive or just looked like a kids toy? Your’s looks good. So I may be wrong in my thinking. 

Hi Bill, here is also a picture of my Airfix 1:72 Golden Hind and small Cutty Sark  starter kit against my English Man O'war  I was building at the time. As you can see although the Golden Hind is half the size, it is still big enough to make a very represntable kit.

On the topic of Scale Bill, here is the kit I am working on just now, the Santa Catarina Do Monte Sinai a 54yr old kit next to my English Man O'war  which I completed  as I say, it's not about size, but the Architecture for me.

Hi Bill 

The Heller Royal louis is quoted at 48cm finished La Sirene is quoted at  43cm The Airfix kits around the same up and to 46cm.

The biggest ones are Revell Spanish Galleon  which is the same size as the Man O'war  and the 2  big Heller ones, Soleil Royal is quoted at 77cm 

While the Victory is the largest at 110cm.

Thing is with most of the kits listed that even though there are a lot of scale differences it doesn't mean a lot as most were made to fit the boxes which are actually the same size(Airfix that is) so scale isnt really historically accurate.

It's just a pity these kits weren't made larger they would have been awesome to build, taking nothing away from them though I think they are still quality kits  like I said it's not all about size for me but architecturally it has to be very good and  well moulded.