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The first 30 cannons (the 32 lbs) are completed! Now on to the next group while I anxiously await my package from Daniel before further work on the hull.
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Ian that is exactly how I did the lower deck guns on the USS Constitution as you might be able to tell in the picture a few posts back. The instructions had me put an eyebolt on each side of the inside hatch and then lace a thread through each eyebolt , around the end of the cannon, and on to the next, and then I tied the thread at each end. I will most likely do the same here. Probably will need to by a whole bunch is scale eyebolts.
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Ian I guess that would include all the rigging of them as well. I will need to decide what falls under the “because you know it is there” mindset that Kevin talked about. I may skip some of you guys won’t accuse me of being a slacker! 😀
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The first 30 cannons built, the 32 pound guns! Now to beautify them with a second coat of paint on carriages, paint the wheels and axels, and weather the barrels a bit. Put them together, set them aside, and start the next 30, the 24 pound guns. Will add rigging hardware as needed later.
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Oh no. I understood Kevin meant on the vertical. I was just curious when the glue points on the wheel sections caused the sides to taper gently toward the front. Mine are straight up and down vertically. Thanks Kevin for the compliment on my Construction. Still one of my favorite builds. I really like Revell’s 1/96 models. Especially like the instructions.
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Kevin until now my most “Because we know we did them and that they are there” was on my Revell 1/96 USS Constitution. I know on this build of the Victory there will be many, but until now the complete Captain’s quarters and the rigged 32 cannons on the lower deck has to be my things you do that will never be seen biggest task.
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Kevin you mentioned that you made the mistake of canting your carriage sides inward. I have noticed on mine that the sides of the carriage are slightly closer in the front than the back. They pretty much follow the shape of the barrel. I am hoping that is correct.
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Yes Kevin those little pieces are a joy to put together 😳. Many may ask why we builders put so much time and effort to parts that don’t fully show? Which is about 50 of these guns. Just our little pleasure I guess. Daniel, your log is a goldmine just as Kevin said. I have in fact tried to figure out a way to print parts of it so I could just turn the pages of a book to follow along. But obviously that would be a monster of a task.
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Hello Kevin. I agree with your thoughts about the Victory, especially the growing end cost! But hey, I don’t have any other costly vices so I can convince myself I deserve it 😉. Been away from my Victory, and this site for a few days. Back now sorting cannon carriage parts to begin the assembly. Think I will complete one gun size, then switch to some other part of the build, then complete the next size gun. Should help maintain sanity! Going to do the thirty 32 pound guns first. Started off by making the barrels. I then put a primer and light base coat on the carriage parts. I will now assemble the thirty carriages, finish painting them, weather the barrels a bit, and then attach them to the carriages. Wish me luck.
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Thanks Dan. I got an update saying my package processed through Frankfurt Flughafen! Woo Hoo it is on its way to my anxious fingers. Never stop telling me bashing options. I would rather know and decide against it than not know until it is to Kate to do it. 😊 Bill
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I am very much looking more forward to the trip (building the ship, including bashing) rather than the actual finish. Based on what you guys have said this could easily be a couple years or more of enjoyment which I am so much looking forward to. And I agree with both of you that once you start bashing you get the fever! I know I have after adding the Evergreen to the gunports and seeing all I can do with Daniel’s sheets. There is a bit of pride in being able to use one’s own talents to improve on the kit. Maybe like the difference in a paint-by-number painting and an actual artist’s painting. In very much takes talent a patience to follow the instructions step 1, step 2, and so on. But to be able to add to those steps your own artistic expression in very rewarding. I want to do as much bashing as I think I have the talent to do, and can afford to do. I expect different builders have different bashings as well. Just have to research, read, and get smart as I go along. Hope you guys are on board for most of it, and you too Daniel! Bill
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Thanks again Ian. That is very encouraging. I am I guess looking for assurance that as I move along I can bash as I feel I want but if I am satisfied with what the instructions tell me to do I can still be successful in this build. Based on your encouragement I believe I can. What started my curiosity is the picture of your ship showing the cannons. Your carriages show rigging using rings, eye bolts, and blocks. After seeing your picture I checked the instructions with the kit to see if this rigging and parts are included. It is not so I need to decide if I want to replicate what you did, which I like a lot, and if so purchase the necessary rigging parts. If not, I just do it simply as shown in drawing. My choice. So I guess that is the way it will be throughout as I move along. Really appreciate you Ian. Bill
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I guess a question I have might be how much bashing would be needed to complete the model successfully? I know for sure I have learned a lot and have already done some bashing (Daniel’s etched parts, thickening the gun ports and the wales, etc.). I fully plan to do further bashing as I move along. But I am curious if there is some bashing that is a must in order to complete the build? Bashing that if not done will leave the builder completely frustrated as to how to proceed using the out of box instructions only to the point they give up. Or based on your experience is the kit and instructions such that a builder could complete it successfully, and have a model they can be proud of? I know I do not have the skills to replicate the build Daniel did (Daniel that is a sincere compliment to the incredible job you did). I do know I have the skills to up the model beyond strictly out of box. So my goal is somewhere between the two. Not strictly 100 percent authentic to the actual Victory setting in port, to include all the rigging, but an impressive model I can be proud to have built. In the bashing can you say I think I will do that and also say no I don’t think I will bash that but just follow the instructions there? Asking this to get my mind fully wrapped around my quest ahead. Bill
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Thanks. I will look for it. The one diagram you showed above was enough to convince me!
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Thanks Ian for your picture of the parrals. I would really like to copy that for sure. A this your design or did you see instructions for making this somewhere. I know I have a long while before I will need these but if you could explain your steps I would really appreciate it. Bill
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A lot of great advice and information. I often wonder as I read comments from you guys and others what parts are actually included with the kit (blocks, eye bolts, etc) for rigging the cannons, masts, etc? I am not so far into the build to do an inventory of all the rigging parts I will need compared to what is supplied. I have an assortment of wooden deadeyes I plan to use but without going through every step of the instructions and counting “I need 3 deadeyes there, 2 eye bolts there, and so on” how in the world do you know in advance what you are going to need, especially if you “bash” the model and refer to other sources like Longridge’s book? I would not expect a model builder would attempt a model of the complexity of the 1/100 Heller Victory as their first build with no experience, but if they did, and were completely unaware of sites like MSW, they would not know about parrals and such. I am so thankful for you guys help. Many say this model is fantastic right out of the box with no modifications but some of the things mentioned that Heller “forgot” seem to be more than items that would simply enhance the model. Some seem like things you actually need to do to complete it. I can only imagine someone without help from other builders throwing their hands up in frustration having absolutely no idea how to complete a task like simply attaching a yard to the mast.
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Another great idea OC. I did that with a mast or two in the past but never a yard. How did you connect the wooden yard to the plastic mast? Do you have a build log for your Black Pearl? Would love to read/see it.
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Ian is this picture from your Victory build. Looks great. I am going to save the picture. Try to zoom in and see if I can copy your rigging. Thanks Bill
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Ian just to make sure we are talking about the same “flash”, you are referencing not trimming off what I show in the picture? Should I drill a small hole through it to look like a breeching ring?
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Thank you Ian. Just in time. I am cleaning up my cannons as I am commenting here. I have already filed off the “flash” on 7 of the gun pommels! I will stop that immediately. Glad I felt a need to check my blog 😀 Thanks for the tip Daniel. I will watch for that. And for the tracking info for my etched parts.
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Alright, another question for you guys who are building this Victory or did recent enough to remember. Working on the guns which is no problem, just repetitive. I like to thoroughly read over each instruction before I proceed to make sure I don’t jump the gun on something. In instruction 7 (preparation of the guns) there is a small drawing of a completed cannon in the left corner. In the photo there is a line pointing to the gun rigging with the caption “Thread ref. 332”. I am guessing this is advising me what size thread yo use, but I don’t know. I have no idea what ref 332 is. I wondered if there may be a chart or something in the instructions numbered 332 but no. There is a part number 332 but that is a port lid. There is a table of threads but does not go anywhere near 332. Any idea what “ ref 332” is?
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When I am not working on my Victory I am reading this great little book I picked up. Admiral Nelson’s Pocket Manual 1805. Not reading it so much for tips on building the model, even though there are a number of physical features of the ship included in the pocket manual, I am fascinated more about his reports of general daily life on board the Victory in 1805. Some of the interesting charts included in the book are the rations planned for each crewman, the pay scale by rank/position, the age of his crew, and most interesting is the discipline. Chart indicates by name offense a crewman committed and number of lashes he got for the crime. If a crime was committed that warranted the death penalty a crewman was hung from a yard and left there for an hour or more for others to witness as a deterrent.
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