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I totally agree Kevin. I can already tell I am going to be moving very slowly as bits and pieces of rigging are required. As you all know the Heller rigging instructions are difficult to interpret. I am finding each time I need to do a bit of rigging I spend a lot of time studying exactly what I need to do using the instructions and Longridge’s book. And when all that fails, asking you guys for help! Along with a little painting and removing my hull from the base I am trying to figure out two areas of rigging due now on this page of the instructions. One is the Bowsprit shrouds I asked Ian about above and the other is lines A71-A72, A74-A73, and A124-A125. I don’t know what the rigging lines are called so I can’t search for them in Longridge’s book. I think they would be running rigging so I would use tan color thread. Studying the instructions I included below I understand I will use a 200 mm thread starting at the hull, passing through a block that in the future will be rigged to the bottom yard of the main mast, and then coming back to the hull where it will pass through another block. Both ends of the line will go through holes into the interior of the ship. This same process will be repeated on the port side. My head scratcher is what is the second block attached to on the exterior of the hull and how is it rigged. My other head scratcher is I assume both ends of this line will be attached to belaying pins however at this point in the build there are no belaying pins. 🤔 I am thinking sloth speed when I get to rigging parts. Glad you guys are out there.
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Daniel keep your suggestions coming. Don’t worry some I am sure I will do and some not. I appreciate all your comments! Now that I have removed my hull from the base with full intent to apply the copper tape I need to know how you put the vertical lines in the long strip of tape to give the appearance of separate copper plates.
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Well Daniel I am at it again this morning. Have ordered my copper tape. Will gently remove the hull from the base once I get the tape. In the meantime I am doing a little work for the inside of the hull. Have the supports in for the lower deck. But before I can continue I got to ask Ian for a bit of help again. Ian back in my blog, comment #202 you explained the rigging of the Bowsprit Shrouds. You suggested I ignore the Heller instructions and refer to Longridge’s book. I did that and found the paragraph on page 226 as you said. However I am still a bit stumped. I am hoping to find an illustration in the book that shows what I am to do. Do you know if there is one? It says Plates 71and 74. But I am not finding anything there.
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Daniel I looked at your build where you used the copper tape. There you say 4 roles of 4 mm. But of course I guess it depends on how much is on each roll. So you know I had to order 4 roles!! Will redo my hull. I think this might be the reason it takes so long to finish the Victory. We just keep redoing stuff. 😀
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Daniel you know you are driving me crazy with your tempting! 😀 Why do you do this to me? Are you in real life an evil villain? 😉 Coincidentally, just last night I was showing someone who was admiring my Victory progress your use of the copper tape. I have thought about it and even searched it online. Possibly using it on a future build. I think my hull looks pretty good now but I have no doubt it would be better with real copper. The fact that I have already attached it to the base is saving me from maybe attempting it! 😊 Of course it would be very easy to remove it if I wanted to give the copper a try on my Victory. I will definitely need to decide before I start building vertically. How in the world do you determine how much you need? Thanks for the compliment Kevin. The paint is just a basic hardware store can of copper spray paint. Not sure of brands available in the UK but this one is Rust-oleum Bright Coat Metalic Finish Copper.
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Ok. I did my copper hull over again and mounted it to the base I made. I like this color much better. Ready to start building up the interior.
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Thank you Marc!
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The more I look at my painted hull the less I think it looks copper! The airbrush paint says copper but when I compare it to my USS Constitution it looks more gold. May have to redo this.
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Got my hull painted copper today. May antique it a bit. Not sure. Will see if I can find a good tutorial. Also finished painting one of my boats. I got a book of photographs of the Victory. I tried to copy my first one to match the one in the book.
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Month 2 anniversary of starting the Victory. What new was accomplished this month. This month was primarily filled with painting the hull and the stern facing. I removed the molded balusters and replaced them with Daniel’s resin replacements and am really glad I did. Looks so much better! I also added the glazing to the three rows of windows on the stern facing and the 7 hatches on the upper decks on each side at the stern end of the ship. Other accomplishments are painting the starboard and port Half Cutwater and Daniel’s resin replacement of the Figurehead. I have also begun bashing and painting the 3 boats. Closed out month two today by finally gluing the two hull halves together and working in my wood shop to make my custom base. Ready for month 3 of my Victory adventure to begin.
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Good morning Marc. My big day is tomorrow. Last day of being 68. Your suggestion about leaving the lower deck hatches closed is what I have read most often as well. Being, like most people, only one side of the ship will be seen in display case I know, but regret that only a few of the 102 cannons I spent so much time on will be seen. But I really like the look of the closed and rigged hatches as well. I guess that comes under “yes but you know they are there” category.
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Thanks Daniel. That is one wall in the “ship room” as my wife calls it. These are the USS Constitution, Cutty Sark, and Man O’ War. On the opposite wall behind my table in this picture I have the Mayflower and Wasa. My Victory case will go in the space where my table currently sets to fill out that wall. Not sure where I will build after that! May have to spread into another room at my wife’s dismay. Of course I can always limit my future building to smaller scale models that don’t take up as much room as these do. On the other hand if it takes me another year or so to finish the Victory I may be ready to call it quits. I hope not. I have 6 grandsons and two have taken a real interest in the hobby from watching me. When they come to visit (different days) I set up a table in my ship room and they build along with me using Papaw’s tools, paint, help, and advice. One grandson is building a 1/225 version of the Victory. He wanted to build one just like Papaw’s, and the other is building the Black Pearl from Pirates of the Caribbean. Good bonding time!
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My Victory construction under the watchful eye of three other peers! Someday she will join them on this nautical wall.
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I know everyone says “it is your model, do it as you want”, but I am curious what you guys think would look best. I plan to have some guns extended out hatches and some pulled in with hatches closed. Since I will soon be putting the lower decks in which will get the first set of guns, I have to decide soon. Would you have a combination of open and closed hatches on the same deck, or either all open or all closed?
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Using some Evergreen to make foot boards in the bottom of the boats that will be on my Victory.
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By the way Marc I have been meaning to tell you I went to the index an read through your Soleli Royal build. Beautiful job. Would not mind having that model show up under my Christmas tree in a year or so after I complete my Victory. If it does I know where to go for advice. 😊
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Great Ian thanks. I just found this similar picture as well. I am going to experiment with putting a small battery operated LED light in both the captain’s and Admiral’s quarters. The glazing will be a nice compliment to that if it works.
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OK my friends I am seriously considering putting the glazing in the 7 hatches on each side of aft as shown as an option in the instructions. I think it will add some additional visual interest. In this case the guns are positioned in behind the glazing. I researched the few reference books I have to see if this was ever really done this way but can’t find reference to it. If you are familiar with this option how is it done? Are the glazing windows used instead of the hatch covers? Are both the glazing and the hatch cover (open) put in place at each hatch? If just the glazing I am assuming there is no reason for the hatch cover ropes?
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Thanks Daniel. I was just thinking about your etched plates this morning. I need to go through my instructions and cross reference it to my plates. For every etched part I need to find it in the instructions and make a note. Maybe Dafi in red ink or something. That way when I get to that step I will be reminded to look to your plates for that part instead. With there being so many different parts included on plates 3 and 4 I could see myself easily forgetting I have a brass replacement for certain pieces.
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So over the weekend I jumped ahead to a task I have been looking forward to. Painting the very recognizable stern. I think it is beautiful and I have been anxious to paint it, especially with Daniel’s balusters.
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Kevin that is exactly what finally brought me to the decision I made. I was showing my progress to a good friend who is very interested and I had to point out the bashed rigols as a step I had taken. They did not notice on their own. And finally when I saw the photos of John Reid’s ship that is going to the museum I spoke about earlier, I saw he has the chains and fittings for the shrouds still brass. I thought I like that and may leave all Daniel’s parts brass. On a side note: Daniel I think this is a huge compliment to you! The quality of your brass etched pieces makes me want to show them off not have them hidden among all the rigging and paint!
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Ian I will have to put those places on my list as well. Spent a little time up your way a little over a year ago. Crossed over from Detroit and then headed east to Niagara Falls on the Canada side. Had to keep reminding myself the speed limit signs were not MPH! Could get in trouble that way. In other news I went rogue today! Hope I am not voted out of the MSW club! ☹️ I kept wondering what it would look like if I had left Daniel’s rigols brass instead of painting over them. Finally I got a glass of good Kentucky bourbon, built up my nerve, and stripped the paint of of them. I then repainted my black and yellow ochre for the third time. Admiral Nelson is probably turning over in his grave but I like my Victory a little pimped out! I actually I am going to leave in my parts from Daniel brass! Might be crazy.
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Ian have you visited The Doran Bay Model Ship Museum? I think it is in Kingston. John Reid, a name you may recognize as an accomplished model ship builder, has a Facebook page devoted to building the Victory. I read on his page that he is donating his model to this museum. That would be cool.
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