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Question about shaping/sanding with files
yamsterman replied to Jwvanost's topic in Modeling tools and Workshop Equipment
Hi all Been following this thread for a while. Have been using metal files on woodfor years and they require constant cleaning due to the teeth clogging. Ordinary woodworking rasps are generally too coarse for model making at the scales we normally work too.HOWEVEVER!! Whilst browsing the web some time back I came across a French maker of wood and stone working rasps. The firm is called LIOGIER of France. This guy makes rasps from a stitching grade of. O. Which will peel the skin of a rhino up to 15 which will tickle the feet of a butterfly. They also come stitched for either right or left handed working. I have ordered a few in recent months stitching grade 15 and they are a joy to use,you will still need to final finish with sandpaper or scraping , and clean the rasp with a good quality brass brush (which they also sell). The products are well illustrated on the website ,just Google liogier rasps, they will even make a tool to your specific requirements if need be.BUT like everything that is good quality they are not cheap .however if looked after you'll be handing them down to your grandkids. Always buy the best you can afford,look after it ,use it for what it was intended and it will last a lifetime. Cheers....mick -
Thanks guys Steep learning curve moving from kits to scratch! Next step will be just as steep moving on to pot triton cross section. Then a full hull!! Cheers...mick
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hi all just a short update.rigging progresses but have had to adjourn to make some larger blocks , chucks only go up to 6mm at the moment and the rigging plans / diagram call for 9mm blocks on the spreading yard. a first for me as ive never attempted to make blocks before. came out ok in the end.lovely stuff to work with this swiss steamed pear!! still lots to do!! cheers ....mick
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Hi Allen Yam or mick.Mick's probably better as yam takes some explaining! Yes model is built to 1/48scale. Originally published as an article in model boats magazine. Progress is somewhat slow but will hopefully be finished in a week or so. Time for HMS triton cross section then!! Cheers ......mick
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Hi nils Blocks are 5mm long.chuck passaros from syren ship models in pear.strap is thin black card and hooks are leftovers from HMS snake kit in 1/64scale.proportion looks about right. Cheers.....mick
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Thanks guys I don't know about the energy pills,too much black coffee I think,I'm so far behind with this build! Got the triton cross section to be getting on with as well.so many projects too do!!!! As a first scratch build she's turning out reasonably well. Cheers...mick
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hi all managed to get some more work done on the sloop today. yards temporarily rigged to mast with parrels. spreading yard requires a truss i believe,get round to that when rigging proper starts. pear wood blocks done for cathead. decided to make a binnacle for the deck. lifted the general shape and proportion from ron macarthys book on scratch building a two masted sloop of 1752. built from a ramin core and then skinned with 0.6mm box veneer,top from 1mm box and panel details from 0.6mm box veneer. details ; copper pipe for lantern chimney and amati brass pins for handles. tomorrows job is rigging the gun tacles and breeching ropes. photos enclosed.
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Hi Pete Something of a magpie when it comes to wood especially model making timbers.pear wood is a right price in england esp if its processed to a specific thickness.cheaper if you buy rough sawn boards but then you have to process it to thickness. The one thing I do need and will have to buy is a drum thicknesses.I'm looking at something called a hog from a Californian co. Cheaper than a Byrne's and $65 to import.this may be the way to go. Cheers....mick
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hi all just a quick update on progress so far. false keel attached with paper tarring. components are over length at the moment. first couple of pics show keel assembly. ive included some pics of tools used.primarily a crown miniature cutting gauge used to deliniate the upper and lower edges of the rebate.the blade is then turned to use as a scraper,after centering the point on the rebate , and the rebate is then cut.the blade is not quite the right shape so finished the cut with a 2nd cut triangular file. boxwood stash i shall be using for this build. i have also just aquired a nice supply of english holly. i brought it from a chap who was using it to restore a riva aqaumarina. it was a very modest price but VERY rough sawn. a local timber shop planned it all down to 8mm thickness. i shall use some of this as decking on the cross section model. also slowly but surely collecting a supply of pear wood.
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Hi ray Great work on your extended cross section.can't wait to get started on mine! How did you find working with basswood? Its readily available over here in the UK but I tend to find it quite "fluffy" .how do you keep a nice square and well defined edge? Do you scrape rather than sand? Cheers......mick
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hi all decided to bite the bullet and have a go at hms triton cross section as a first attempt at true plank on frame, rather than go all out on a full hull. downloaded the keel and keelson drawing ........and wood has been cut...sawdust has been produced!! permission to come aboard and embark on the next stage! i have chosen to do the majority of the construction in pyrennian boxwood,deck planking in holly and external planking in pear (wales) and boxwood. i may throw in a couple of other species apple and sycamore for other fittings.
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Hi all Currently collecting ALs HMS surprise.doing it over 14 months as its going to be a future,and probably heavily bashed project.so far all bulkheads and frames have turned up and would appear to be birch faced ply , some distortion in the longitudinal bulkhead but easily corrected.frames are OK again in birch ply.first timber arrived today and is all in decent quality European lime. I have built Al's kits before and apart from dogy castings and limited instructions they seem OK.if you really want a challenge try building a vintage(60s or 70s). Billings kit.by today's standards a real nightmare. But the beauty of this site is such...if you are a first timer or are just stuck.....just ask.most of us are more than willing to help or a least point someone in the right direction. Another thing to remember is these model kits are made to be commercially viable hence a lot of the time they are compromises....otherwisevery few of us would be able to afford to buy them! Regards ....mick
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thanks toni i will more than likely order the plans from chris hahn in the next couple of weeks,those along with my copy of the colonial schooner should provide enough information for a reasonably accurate build.Again its more about choosing a fairly straightforward subject in order to initiate me into the world of building frames.......the dark side cometh!! i am going to download the first part of hms triton and use that build as a test piece also as well as getting on with the rigging for the sloop. busy busy!! after browsing some of the truly magnificent work on this forum i have a lot to learn , but its gonna be fun gettin there. regards to all.......mick
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Hi Jesse Lovely work for a first model. I had both my carpal tunnels done about 5 years ago. Here in england its done under local , interesting experience! Once the Stitch's are out some GENTLE exercise is quite therapeutic. A few weeks down the line you will notice a big difference. Look forward to further posts in due course.regards....mick
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Thanks Dave mark Pete and Robert. I will certainly have a lookat the triton cross section and yes I will upload some photos to the gallery area.thanks for your kind words and encouragement.l look forward to many more builds and posts over the coming years! Off for some bye byes after a twelve hour night shift. Cheers......mick
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Thanks nils As first scratch built ship model I deliberately chose something smallish and relatively simple. There are some mistakes esp with the planking below the whale. I think I carried the garboard strake to far up the stem rabbet.....but we live and learn(hopefully!) Thanks for your interest and kind words. Let the rigging commence! Cheers.....mick
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Hi David b Thanks for the kind words.guess what I found whilst browsing the nmm online plans resource? The original fraught for the sloop model! The one the nmm couldn't find originally! Too late now as the hull is now built from the model boat plans. Oh well! With regards to Hannah,I have recently been in touch with Chris Hahn who is now dealing with his late fathers plans. I also have a copy of the colonial schooner which gives a great deal of information. Do you recommend any other sources/info? I was intend ending to use pear for the main timbers with boxwood for details and perhaps some stained pear for whales / bulwark cappings etc. I also have one or two of jean boudroits publications for future models le Cerf,LA belle and let Jacinthe. I have also invested in seawatch books swan class practicum and HMS euryalus...but these are future projects after I've had a go at some proper framing. I will post some more photos once the rigging commences. Cheers........mick
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found some photos of a previous biuld....hms snake 1/64 scale ....somewhat modified from a caldercraft kit.
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