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Mark.
 
I think the L'Orient is a nice but really huge model also in a smaller scale. Don't blow the model if shes to big , as Nelson  did in Aboukir.
I like the Roebuk. Until I got the drawings from Alex Anson I thought a longer time of building her in the future.

Mark.
 
I think the L'Orient is a nice but really huge model also in a smaller scale. Don't blow the model if shes to big , as Nelson  did in Aboukir.
I like the Roebuk. Until I got the drawings from Alex Anson I thought a longer time of building her in the future.

druxey is absolut right. Remcos motto is perfect for our hobby.

Mark.
 
I think the L'Orient is a nice but really huge model also in a smaller scale. Don't blow the model if shes to big , as Nelson  did in Aboukir.
I like the Roebuk. Until I got the drawings from Alex Anson I thought a longer time of building her in the future.

Mark.
 
I think the L'Orient is a nice but really huge model also in a smaller scale. Don't blow the model if shes to big , as Nelson  did in Aboukir.
I like the Roebuk. Until I got the drawings from Alex Anson I thought a longer time of building her in the future.

I should point out that there's several differences between the French rudder and the British/American besides the previously mentioned shape at least at the point of time of the Licorne and Belle Poule.
 
The French didn't use a spectacle plate as such.  It was two eyebolts either by themselves or as part of the uppermost rudder iron.  Since the uppermost rudder iron on Licorne will be too close or even covered by the rudder coat, I put them down lower "C".
 
On the British/American ships, the rudder was retained by lines to the spectacle plate.  On the French, there is a strop hole "A" that has a line from a ringbolt through the hole, and then to another ringbolt.
 
Also, there's two lifting rings "B" to aid in resetting a rudder that went adrift.
 

Thanks for the likes and comments and following along.
 
You guys are going to make this decision for the next ship hard, aren't you?         And I thought it would just be a simple decision.. Roebuck or something French like L'Orient.   I figure why not go for tough ones.... 
 
John, the Roebuck also juxtaposes with quite a few American ships according to the history, as I recall.
 
A bit of an update... the rudder is ready for hanging.  The macro shows the problems but in real life it looks pretty good to my eye.  I actually had another one made but it hit the floor without my knowing it.  The pup (hah!!!!  at 3 years old, not a pup but she thinks she is) picked it up, and gave it back with unfortunately some deep teeth marks.  I had to laugh as I call her "my helping bud". 
 
Anyway, I've got blue taped into position while I sort out the irons attached to the hull.
 

 

 
As always, critiques, comments, or general mayhem is welcome.

Well, the 48 batten pieces have been cut, shaped and installed, along with the six footboards.
 
Next will be the thwarts. They should be a simple job, but are complicated by the fact that the edges are moulded and need to be mitred to the longitudinal strip running down the mid-line of the boat. Also, six turned supporting pillars are needed to support the thwarts. Stay tuned.

Couldn't do anything through the week and not much progress today.
 
Made new keel pieces this afternoon.
 
I am very happy with these and will hopefully glue the paper on tomorrow and might get the sections together.

Anchor Hoy / Water Tanker c. 1814 -1825 Designed and built by Francis Grice in the Norfolk Navy Yard.
Grice designed and built many ships for the US Navy and was appointed Chief Naval Constructor in 1847. He headed the Naval Construction Department until his death in 1859. Grice is among the few who have left tracings and papers describing work boats. They were preserved by the national government in the Office of Naval Records and Library and were subsequently transferred to the National Archives. They were reproduced in part in Grimwood's American Ship Models. Grant Walker at the Naval Academy Museum referred me to a source for the plans.
 
Anchor hoys were designed to carry and recover huge anchors and many had large water tanks to service ships in the harbors. This boat has a length between PP of 56' 9” and a breadth of 20'. At a scale of 1:48, overall length of a model (with spars) will be less than 24”. Some of the reasons for choosing this vessel were the sloop rig, double capstan and gearing system used to hoist the anchors, the running rigging of the shrouds and the shroud supports for the main mast supporting the weight of the anchors.
 
There is little known about the actual construction of these boats, so the frame and spacing is conjectural. After reviewing the series Shipyard and Service Craft: A Portfolio of Plans by Robert Cairo in the Nautical Research Journal from June, 1976 through September. 1979 (eight installments), one can extrapolate many dimensions of various parts and Scantlings of Royal Navy Ships 1719 – 1805 by Allan Yedlinsky provided many particulars even though it does not directly address work boats such as this anchor hoy. While the water tank can be seen in the profile drawing, there is nothing that indicates its width.
 
The plans I acquired were conjectural so I used them along with copies of the original Grice drawings to start to loft a more complete set for the 1:48 scale I have chosen to use. This will be a plank on frame model with partial planking to expose the details of the framing and the gears attached to the capstans. That process involves using a CAD program. While I have drawn house and furniture plans, I have never tackled ship plans before. There is an article on this site by Wayne Kempson titled Drafting Ship Plans in CAD. http://modelshipworldforum.com/ship-model-plans-and-research.php  While I am only partially into the lofting process, that report has been invaluable. The skills I've acquired on several POF models I've build over the years and particularly the recently completed Echo Section from Admiralty Models have emboldened me to take on this new challenge.
 
Pictures of the Grice drawings from the National Archives follow: 

Another photos
 

 

 

 

 

the top riders 
 

 

 

 

 

Druxey,
 
can you please make a foto with a penny or cent, that we can see how small your model is? It's absolut fantastic

Druxey,
 
can you please make a foto with a penny or cent, that we can see how small your model is? It's absolut fantastic

Druxey,
 
can you please make a foto with a penny or cent, that we can see how small your model is? It's absolut fantastic

Druxey,
 
can you please make a foto with a penny or cent, that we can see how small your model is? It's absolut fantastic

Further news from the shipyard. First the side strakes of footwaling were installed (there is probably a proper term for them, but I don't know what it is). They required a twist through almost 90 degrees along their length, achieved by steaming.
 
Next were the risings. I misspelled the name as 'risers' earlier - sorry. The risings were cut after a card pattern established their shape and the pair were made while rubber cemented together, ensuring symmetry. The height of each below the gunwale was marked out at various points along the hull and the risings glued in. Note that paint was scraped off where the thwarts will attach.
 
Next will be the footboards for the rowing crew.

Again, my appreciation for the complimentary remarks you have posted on this model.
 
The footboards for the rowers are more complicated than one might think. They are moveable - for long and short-legged crew - and have battens that hold them in place. For six thwarts there are a total of 48 battens to be cut and fitted. There are no two pairs alike. No wonder this detail is omitted from nearly every model!
 
If you look carefully, you will see a rejected batten showing the joints that need to be cut at each end. It will be a while until all six sets are completed....

Its an interesting discussion.   Well,  I think we have a winner.  Here is the model with the trucks painted red.  I do in fact like this much better than the bright trucks.   Thanks Greg!!! 
 
I know its just a matter of personal tastes but I think I will pursue this approach from now on.  I think its more pleasing and less distracting actually.  Although I will leave the black trucks to someone else to experiment with.
 
I see the bulwarks are very dusty...much touch up to do.   I will wait until after a rig these which is what I think I will do next.   It will be a nice break from building another five carriages.
 
 

 

 

 

Dan,
 
as allways, very clean and crisp work. I like your idea with the cut outs and think that I will copy this, if I build a section.

Really wonderful craftmanship. It's oustanding

Really wonderful craftmanship. It's oustanding

Wonderfull display of craftsmanship, I can only imagine how challenging it is to get the shapes of the planks just right to get an excellent fit.
 
Remco

The inner bulwark sheathing proved interesting. It took several pattern pieces to figure out the developed shapes of the planks. The first photo shows one plank being wet-bent into position. The card pattern for this is in the foreground, as well as patterns for the steersman's bench.
 
The second photo shows both inner sides complete and the vertical portion of the steersman's bench in position. The top of this has been made and painted. The same strategy as for the other horizontal surfaces was used to build it. The paint is in the process of drying and I'll install the top tomorrow.
 
There are several possible items I could now tackle, but I think that the risers (horizontal planks that support the ends of the thwarts) should be next.

Well, a start has been made on the inner sheathing of the bulwark. The compound curves involved make this an interesting exercise!