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Late to the party also Keith, please excuse my tardiness. Will be following along with great interest as it looks quite an interesting vessel to model. Despite your choice as it looked an easier build, I think there will still be enough to challenge you. cheers Pat -
Glen, your build has gone on for a little while with no suggests (where are you Keith B?). Noting the theme of this build can I dare to hope to see a couple of 'pirate' penguins, perhaps one with an eye patch and the other with a peg "flipper" Long shot over the bow! cheers Pat
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That sounds quite feasible Rob, thanks. One thing though, as there were two purchases used with the tye in Victoria, I think I need to stay with the LH option, such that either or both purchases could be used. According to Nares, this arrangement was often used in merchant ships whereby a minimal 'on deck' watch could work the lighter purchase (albeit at a slower rate), whereas the heavier double purchase was worked when the full crew was available. If I have visualised your proposed set-up correctly, I think that could also work with the double tye configuration? Those masts are coming on really nicely mate. cheers Pat
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That's a good point Rob, and one I had not considered. While the Rigging Warrant is silent on this cable/rope, it makes practical sense to have one fitted/rigged, so I will probably add that. cheers Pat
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I missed the kick-off yet again Glen; great to see another project up and running. And, what a great idea, that will be quite an unique display. It's looking great already. So what are you drinking when you get these 'inspirations'? cheers Pat
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Thanks Rich, I should have pointed out that the left-most configuration is that for the topgallant. I am still not satisfied that would work though. The Rigging Warrant list chain for the tye but NO gin block. The size (diameter) of the mast at the stop is very small and if a sheave hole was cut within, there would be no meat left to support the mast. I have therefore assumed the use of a gin block as this is also advised by several authors. I have not been able to establish whether to mount it to the side to clear the other ropes or to the front noting your comment. To the front may give a better pull BUT would interfere with other ropes. Sorry too highjack the discussion Rob, but I hope it helps a little when you get to that yard? I have found some online plans for Flying Fish but they do not show that illustration you use unfortunately, will have to keep looking . cheers Pat
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Thanks Rich, that is one of the reasons I follow your (combined) efforts here as much of the material is relatable to my research and build also. WRT tops, agree; the contract for Victoria actually specifies the types of tops (skeletal) and that they were filled with gratings 'for the men to stand on'. WRT to the rigging of the yards etc, also agree. I use the book 'seamanship'; by Commander GS Nares RN, published in 1868 as my go to reference. He provides the closest match to the rigging as listed in Victoria's Rigging Warrant for a Barque. I supplement this as required for the 'schooner' fore-and-aft elements. Nares I believe actually points out that the (chain) tyes are indeed set-up to the centre band of the yard and not the truss arms. As with the drawing of Flying Fish rigging using gins, this correlates closely with Victoria's rigging also, but this is the first illustration showing it that I have seen. I had come up with the same arrangement independently as shown below. I was not sure which set-up was more appropriate given the odd description/listing of the associated halliards in the Rigging Warrant. These were only applicable to the topyard as the lower yard, once hoisted, was hung on chain slings. I chose to go with the centre option as there were two sets of halliards/purchases listed. Thanks to you all for this interesting log. cheers Pat
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Exceptional work , especially as Eberhard points out, this is mostly done with hand tools . Very much enjoying your build log. Cheers Pat
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'Pat...I believe I got illustration 97 from an online reference for the model plans for the clipper Flying Fish. The last is of the Barque James Craig.' Thanks Rob, I'll have a search for that online set of plans (Flying Fish). James Craig - just up the road from me There are a lot of online photos for her, so may prove a useful ship for further investigation (re rigging). cheers Pat
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Hi Rob, the middle illustration illustration (97) and the last picture in the same post ere of great interest to me as I believe they show the way Victoria was rigged (using gins). I also agree it is more likely the slings attached to the centre band of the yard (I believe that is the way Nares describes it from recall). Could you please let me know the reference from which these were taken? cheers Pat
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Suitably educated cheers Pat
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Hi Rob, enjoying the build log and the discussion. However, I would debate that claim Perhaps 'extreme clippers' but I believe clippers were the invention/development of the Scottish shipyards/builders, in particular Aberdeen. cheers Pat
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Great progress Dave, she is looking good. cheers Pat
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An excellent result Richard, they look great in situ with the glass reflecting the hull. cheers Pat
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I understand the problems you have experienced in establishing such a Rigging Warrant. I was lucky enough to have that document but, as you have experienced, the implementation is a whole different issue. Nice bit of research Pat
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Thanks Rich, I don't have a copy but will definitely look for a copy. I hope that all others interested in finding a copy don't drive the price up I will be very interested to learn how close your collaborated plans/sketches are to his original plans. cheers Pat
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Nice job on that cathead, especially at that scale Rob. cheers Pat
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Great find guys, they will be extremely useful to your work cheers Pat
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Looking really good Rob. I find these details to be the most interesting and fun to do. cheers Pat
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Late 19th or Early 20th Century Running Rigging
BANYAN replied to GrandpaPhil's topic in Masting, rigging and sails
Another input, sorry for the late notice. I am building a Barque rigged steam-screw launched in 1855 and I have a copy of her Rigging Warrant and Contracts/Specifications. As with Terry's advice, her standing rigging was mostly steel wire rope (with the exception of the very topmost stays etc. The remainder was mostly riga hemp with a fair bit of chain used for the sheets etc. Hope this helps. Pat -
Nice made parts Eberhard. People may be able to buy them sure, but I only resort to that if the part required is beyond my skill level or capacity to make them. A hand-made part is still preferable in my mind. cheers Pat
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Nice progress Dave, coming on well. cheers Pat
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Iron Stropped Blocks - Kate Cory Whaling Brig
BANYAN replied to Capt. Kelso's topic in Masting, rigging and sails
Try Chuck's "Syren" online site (Rigging Blocks for ship models - scale boxwood blocks- swiss pear-2mm scale rigging blocks|3/32" scale rigging blocks and pulleys) as he had a range of internally iron bound blocks available. They are not shown on the page above, but I bought quite a few from him a few years back. He may be able to help you if you contact him (he is a MSW admin if you were not aware of it) cheers Pat -
That's great news mate. Hope all continues to go well. cheers Pat
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