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Still, I much prefer your guesses to someone else's firm opinions. Thanks, Ab. -
Thanks a lot. Your fine 3D pinas was also an inspiration for this project 🙂. The ship's bow looks somewhat sharper indeed, because nearly maximum stempost rake was chosen, within limits allowed by contemporary works on shipbuilding, and in fact considered at the time proper for purpose-built warships. Ab, please take a look at the selection of paintings below. All of them show more or less red coloured anchors. The issue is maybe not the most important indeed, I was just curious, and I have not found any explanation on this phenomenon heretofore. Cornelis Verbeeck, A Naval Encounter between Dutch and Spanish Warships, 1618-1620 Adam Willaerts, Gibraltar 1607, 1639 Cornelis Wieringen, Gibraltar 1607, ca. 1621 Hendrik Vroom, The Arrival of Elector Frederick V of the Palatinate and Elizabeth Stuart, 1623
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Many thanks, Ab! Your word and opinion counts double. You must have already noticed, that the ship's structure quite closely follows Dutch practices, which I assume also apply to the northern part of the continent. Even the shape of the bow, which I have made very full for a number of reasons, could be easily formed using the shell (bottom-first) method, although geometry of the whole underwater body is a synthesis of the known pre-designed frames procedures. For now I have to give priority to the external, visible parts of the ship (deadline!), because the first model is to be made by plank-on-bulkhead method. I intend to deal with carlings/ledges for other decks later. And, while you are here – do you know why anchors are red in so many contemporary paintings? Were they painted? Or simply corroded?
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Very neat, fine work and the attractive, unusual subject (meaning ship's nationality). Planning to visit both the Military and the Naval Museums in Istanbul too.
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The upper sills were originally upside down and this is already corrected as can be seen below. The ability to make such corrections in a relatively easy way is perhaps one of the major strengths of computer-aided designing, provided the actual 3D model is properly designed. The lack of space in the bow part of the ship is evident in this view:
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... bits, knights, more hatches, ledges, etc. No carlings on the weather deck (intentional), or perhaps two long equivalent 'carlings' along the length of the whole deck.
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Good choice, but still a hard one in one aspect... 🙂 Royal Three Crowns or the Yellow Cross? Or maybe both?
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Could not resist placing some infantrymen in the ship's waist. Out of the company totalling 100 men, borrowed from the army for this ship just before the imminent battle, only 27 musketeers are shown here. Some of them, able to throw grenades, were sent to the fighting tops. The sailing part of the crew consisted of additional 50 men. It is difficult to imagine the crowding on board during the battle... Figurines by Captain_Ahab_62 (Thingiverse)
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Both lovely and funny project. 🙂 May I ask what flags do you intend to hoist on your model?
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Many thanks for the likes, stimulating... General construction of the jeer capstan completed – spindle lowered by an inch or two and made to the gun deck (not shown here), pawls added, bars reversed, chamfering of the coamings redone. Below a picture of the real thing for comparison (by H. Sasso).
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Working on capstan...
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Beauty! And even more so as the structural parts are visible.... I love it. As I recall, this boat was given to Tsar Peter by the Dutch authorities, so I imagine it could rightly be considered a fairly typical large Dutch-style boat.
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Perfect job – extraordinary sense of shapes and proportions of humans and beasts.
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Ship models featuring visible structural elements have always been my favourites. A pleasure to see yours.
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... even more gratings, with one of the hatch covers upside down. Perhaps this appearance of the deck, featuring some of the hatch covers in place and some not, is somehow related to the etymology of the name of this deck, namely 'koebrug' (a Dutch term, in English 'cow-bridge'), where the hatch covers visually act as 'bridges'.
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Thank you very much for your comment Mark. I completely agree with you that such coamings could be a serious trip hazard. They are modelled exactly on the "Vasa" coamings, just as many other parts in this reconstruction. Still, this very issue you have raised made me think of the necessity of chamfering their edges (see the updated image below). To be honest, I was more expecting a comment on cannons so close to the rather high coamings, and my explanation would be that these were then the last days of firing on the non-recoil principle and the outboard loading, both closely related to the doctrine and practice of the boarding tactics (as opposed to soon to be widely adopted artillery tactics). Section of the „Vasa” coamings: Updated coamings (much better, thanks again Mark):
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more gratings...
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That's right. There are several Display Modes in Rhino to choose from, some more suited for modelling work, and other helpful for presentation purposes (sorry for the banality). Below I have included a few samples I use most often. Trying not to use external plug-ins to the Rhino, and fortunately the number and look of Display Modes available already in Rhino is more than enough for my needs. Wireframe: Shaded: Rendered: Artistic: Pen:
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... just started the upper deck. It is called "koebrug" in the fleet inventory, so I have designed this deck as heavier than "bovenet" (very light deck), and – at the same time – lighter than a regular deck. In practice: a lot of gratings, but still able to carry a few small-calibre artillery pieces.
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Many thanks for your comment. Building the wooden model by two professional modellers (for the museum exposition) should start within weeks, even without waiting for the completion of the ship’s documentation. Also, in order to speed up the work, the plank-on-bulkhead construction is planned for this very first model. Perhaps I would be allowed to attach some photos of this work-in-progress too. Just now I am preparing section lines of the hull for them.
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Sills for rectangular gun ports and chocks around circular openings fitted, some filling pieces were also needed.
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The angles involved in the bow area are also the reason why long-barreled artillery pieces were preferably chosen as the chase guns. Not quite for its assumed accuracy or range (both not really necessary in a boarding sea fight), but simply to place the gun’s muzzles outside the ship.
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Right, in general, you are correct – the guns were mounted more or less perpendicular to the ports. The exception, however, was the chase ports, which were even made a little wider than the rest, so that the heaviest and tactically most important guns could be directed right forward. This is explicitly recommended (as I recall) in one of the English 17th century shipbuilding treatises. My explanation for this is that it would be impossible to yaw both ways when sailing closed-hauled against the target about to be boarded. It would be perhaps no time for such manoeuvres too, as the artillery fire was opened at the last moment (usually at the musket range, ie. 75–150 m) in order to reduce the risk of missing the target. And we are still at the period of boarding tactics – typically just one artillery salvo and then immediate grappling, at least by determined combatants (Armada campaign with windward English vessels refusing to board opponent ships is not quite typical for this era).
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