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USS Constitution by mtbediz - 1:76
Der Alte Rentner replied to mtbediz's topic in - Build logs for subjects built 1751 - 1800
As always, I study your work before I tackle a new part of my build. Two thoughts came to mind as I revisited your post above: 1. Once again, my decision not to go with the black and white paint scheme will leave me at a disadvantage. I won't be able to easily touch up any glue smears or missteps when I add channels and chain plates to my Conny. I'm really going to have to be careful.. 2. Man, oh man! your galleries look fantastic! -
To those who are at or past the installation of the fife rails, when is the best time to glue these to the spar deck? I'm thinking that gluing in the masts and their wedge/boots may be problematic once the fife rails are permanently affixed. Comments/advice, anyone?
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Me too, at the rate I'm going. I'm approaching my mid seventies as well, but, I'm going for, he who dies with the most toys wins! For what it's worth, the Hunt practicum calls for copper on the ridding bitts, not brass. If you can get some 1/4" brass or copper dowel, you can file an end of it down to get you close to square. Then use a disk or belt sander to clean up the end, slice off a narrow strip with a band or hacksaw and epoxy the clean side to the top of a ridding bitt blank. When the epoxy has cured, fine tune the filing to flush up the edges. Finish off the tops with 400, 600, 1200, etc. sand paper to get a nice shiny surface.
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If you plan to do any more model building, I highly recommend getting the proxxon mill. It's a Time Saver on so many fronts. Absent investing in another tool, you are correct. Try to find a 5/32 square piece of stock and cut slices from the loaf. I believe, if memory serves, that you've already painted some components brass. If that's the case go with the wood cap and paint option.
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Construction of the fife rails is finally completed. Like Mustafa with the chain plates and channels, this task took much longer than I expected. And I still need to apply poly and glue the rails to the deck. Before you ask Gregg, I forgot to drill holes for nails at the bottom of the reading bits and stanchions. I guess I'll be doing this the old fashioned way - masking tape and careful positioning.. This was mostly just finicky busy work, and several times I broke things and had to redo them. Let me just say, I'm glad I'm finally done with this. Oh, and once again, I was disappointed by the kit and the plans. The knee that was attached to the ridding bitt/fife rail assembly for the foremast, ended up leaving a space much narrower than the outside diameter of the mast wedge/boot. You guessed it, I had to redeploy the lathe to shave material off the latter. Assemblies in position, but not yet glued in..
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Sorry, I just now realized I didn't take any photographs of the process. I used the Proxxon mill and the dividing attachment on a quarter inch round piece of brass stock. If you look back to previous posts, you will see how I square off round dowl - see pinnacles... With the dowel in the dividing attachment, first I cleaned off the end, then repositioned the mill above the dowel and took off roughly half millimeter slices at 0, 90, 180, and 270° of rotation until I got square stock roughly the dimensions of the top of the ridding bitt. Mine weren't entirely square, so I made them a smidge oversized. (Only you and I will know that.. 🤫). Then I shifted the cutting bit 1 mm in from the end, and started taking off half millimeter slices every 45°. Eventually I just hand rotated the dividing attachment to fashion a circular nib of about 1mm in diameter to serve as locating pin for the cap to facilitate centering it on top of the ridding bitt, on top of which I had drilled a 1/16". Finally I used a hacksaw to slice the cap from the dowel. Rinse, repeat While the cap was still attached to the rod, I polished it using 1000, 3600, 6,000 grit sanding discs. I have a machine (Work Sharp), which I use to sharpen chisels and such, that allows me to do this kind of polishing.
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Ridding bitt construction is done. Next up, staining and Fife rail assembly.
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Gotta love Legos and magnets
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USS Constitution by mtbediz - 1:76
Der Alte Rentner replied to mtbediz's topic in - Build logs for subjects built 1751 - 1800
While taking a lunch break, I took a few minutes to go back and look at Mustafa's post number 26. You are correct, in that post, there's a photo of a grating with a blue frame around it. If you fast forward to more recent posts, you'll see that that blue frame is long gone. I think Mustafa only used that as decoration for the picture. Knowing Mustafa workmanship, I'm pretty sure the grating was the correct thickness. -
I admit that I gave that more than passing thought. But that meant setting up the lathe again. Since I already had the milling machine more or less ready to go, I opted for the approach outlined above. Since I knew I was going to be adding a brass cap, I wasn't worried about the look of the top after the woodworking.
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Since I ready faked the sheaves, not just on the stanchions, but also the ridding bitts, I'm in no immediate rush for round cutters less than a millimeter in diameter. That doesn't mean I'm not going to shop for them, while I'm looking for something that'll cut a square hole 2 mm across for the wooden post that passes through the top of the ridding bites. (Hunt uses round brass stock, which I may resort to if I can't fit a square piece.) Mustafa, if you are reading this, how did you manage to get square posts into your ridding bitts? For larger woodworking projects, I have a tool that's a combination chisel/drill. Great for cutting mortises. I doubt I'm going to find anything small enough to work here.. Since I posted this response to Woodartist, I've taken a different direction. See proof of concept below: I plan to put a 1/32" inch thick brass cap on top of the ridding bitt to finish it off.
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You have all the best toys! I'm not even going to try to find a 6 mm cutter. I've opted for another option, perhaps a little bit more involved than just painting the black stripes as Jon suggested, but resulting in a reasonable facsimile of a sheave.
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Jon, Too late for creating layer cakes from scratch, mine are already baked, and the only option I have is slice into the cakes that're already done. 😁 BTW, I did check XKen's build. He seems to have used a thin saw blade, cutting three parallel grooves up from the bottom of the stanchion. I suppose, I could use a scroll saw to do the same, but I'm not confident I could get clean parallel cuts - and I certainly don't want to make another batch of stanchions. The band saw would be a better bet, if I had blades anywhere close to a workable thickness. I don't. Skip? Or find a novel approach.. TBD For what it's worth, not even XKen used these sheaves for his rigging, begging the question, why bother with holes at all..
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I'm looking at adding the three sheaves to the bottom section of the stanchions. These are 4mm square. The smallest milling cutter I have is 1mm in diameter, leaving .25mm between the sheaves and the sides of the stanchion. I'm not sure it's worth the effort. They look nice (great job on yours, Mustafa), but I'm going to have to figure out some other way of simulating them. Drill smaller holes and chisel out the space between them? That sounds like fun. 🙄 I checked back to see how I did this on the cathead - yes, 1mm drill, 1mm mill cutter, but I had a wider face (5mm vs 4mm) onto which to space the grooves. Mustafa, what tools did you use to make your sheaves?
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I was thinking the exact same thing! Thanks Jon
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I thought the kit supplied belaying pins were too large. So I bought into the to-scale syren alternative. In for penny in for a pound. By the way, aren't the kit's belaying pins brass? I believed I use some of them for the Carronade quions.. I also seem to remember asking some of the builders here which to go with, and the majority sided with syren.
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A double dose of Naproxen and I'm back at the shop making things. I really did not like the look of the laser cut versions of the fife rails in the kit, so I made my own out of boxwood. FYI, that's a whole lot of holes to drill with a pin vice. (Before anyone asks, I tried drilling one or two holes on the milling machine, but found it was easier to do by hand. Maybe if I had made the fife rails out of three pieces each, I could have used the vise on the milling machine and easily drilled the holes. But I made these fife rails in one piece. Positioning the rail under the drill was problematic.) I also cut the blanks for the ridding bitts. I think I'm on the home stretch with this part of the build. My next visit to the shipyard should cover the base. Counting the holes in the fife rails, I realize I need more than the 50 belaying pins I just received from siren.
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USS Constitution by mtbediz - 1:76
Der Alte Rentner replied to mtbediz's topic in - Build logs for subjects built 1751 - 1800
I feel exactly the same way. As for the two sources for ropes.. Orders from Ropes of Scale, which is in Canada, take a while to receive. Having said that, an order of belaying pins I purchased from Syren took six weeks to arrive. It was not Syren's fault. Given where they're located, they only have access to the USPS, which IMHO has gone to heck in a handbasket in the last few years. But let me reiterate Gregg's sentiment about Mustafa's (and Greg Matson's) work making their own rope. I'm just not that good! I too will buying vs making my own. -
Getting old is not for sus They were the two cutters on the left in the photo below. I bought the set at Amazon. I use the second one in to dig a little deeper into the top and bottom ends of the carve out. The one on the end then cleaned up most of the middle. I did have to fine tune with those sanding sticks (post 888 above). Holding the tools steady didn't require much grip strength, but the pinching action between thumb and index finger to control the cuts is what did me in. I should probably see a doctor about this. Getting old is NOT for sissies. 😁
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Mustafa, you are correct, I didn't need to make a shank. However I did need to go home and take some pain meds. Handling the cutting tools on that mini lathe was so painful, I barely got through making the remaining 15 stanchions (3 extras, just in case). This is the first time the arthritis has gotten to me to the point where I had to stop. Gregg, Thank you kind sir. On the home stretch now.. BTW. These sanding sticks proved to be invaluable.
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USS Constitution by mtbediz - 1:76
Der Alte Rentner replied to mtbediz's topic in - Build logs for subjects built 1751 - 1800
Fantastic job! I can't wait until I've finished the fife rails so I can start on this fun aspect of the build 😁 -
After several failed attempts to finesse these stanchions consistently on the lathe, I've taken to a hybrid approach. Using the milling machine, I made blanks, like Hunt did in the practicum, with grooves marking the top and bottom of the turned portion. Then, I mounted them one at a time on the proxxon lathe and managed to do a decent job of turning the decorative center. After completing three that looked nearly identical, I think I can manage the remaining dozen or so. This is a proof of concept. The stanchion on the right was one of the better outcomes prior to changing methods. It would be a lot easier if the 4-jaw chuck were self-centering. Close enough.
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As noted on several occasions recently in my build log, I too have used the milling machine as a lathe - especially with the dividing attachment acting as chuck. (from post 828): Still, I think I'd prefer a lathe that had an adjustable cutter attachment. By the time you add all the extras to these Proxxon tools, you're really hitting the piggy bank hard. As much as I like Proxxon, I may take a look at some of the less expensive, feature rich lathes (and milling machines) available at Amazon.
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Excellent idea! One I will indeed remember going forward. It seems to me, however, that you somehow managed to do without the screw when you made the stanchions on the lathe, no?
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USS Constitution by mtbediz - 1:76
Der Alte Rentner replied to mtbediz's topic in - Build logs for subjects built 1751 - 1800
The sheet brass I have on hand is .28mm thick. I imagine the Fisker's cutter could manage a bit more material without difficulty. Woodartist is correct, Amazon is the easiest source to find these, but I think you can get them at any good office supply store too.
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