Der Alte Rentner

Holey Moley, are there a lot of typos in my build log document!  I'll endeavor to avoid them in future.  Sorry about that...

I plan to post roughly every week, as long as there's progress to report.  Catch ya next week.

and Chris, thanks for the clarification.

15 hours ago, ccoyle said:

 

You won't normally see me liking every new build log update on the forum, but I do try to check in on each of them periodically. When you see me post a like, it means I've read the previous posts as well. 

 

When you have to shoot, shoot. Don't talk.
- Tuco

 

Love the reference from the Good, the Bad and the Ugly!  

Having more cents than sense, I purchased all the materials from Bob Hunt.  So far, so good.  Chapter 2 came in handy to guide me through what to do with bulkhead B and the Stem (preparing for Bowsprit tenon and installation).  I have been poring over the build logs here, and mine is underway as well.

Thanks for sound advice. 

Best

Der Alte

Seems like I'm on my own..  Oh well,  

The build continues.

Greetings bthoe.

I don't know how I missed your build until now, but I searched MSW for "bowsprit tenon" and that led me to your build log.  Sorry about the bloodshed...

I'm just starting out myself and have added your build to my watchlist.  I see you haven't posted since Thanksgiving last year.  Hope you're just collecting pictures to post soon.  

May 29, 2024 update:  Based on a comment by Bill Morrison yesterday, I'm amending this post to try to shed a little light on the issue I tried to explain below.  The camber(?) is not symmetrical between port and starboard on a number of bulkheads. 

I discovered this by simply eyeballing the hull from fore and aft. The worst offenders were bulkheads A, C, D and P.  By laying planks along the bulkheads, I was able to determine that bulkheads A and C needed to be trimmed back, and that bulkheads D and P needed material added to properly "fair" the deck.  It the photo of the Constitution from above in post 170, you can clearly see the shims on top of bulkheads D and P.  A closer look reveals the bulkheads that needed to be shaved or sanded back.

Original post of July 7, 2023.  (Man-oh-man, has it been almost a  year???)

Before I continue with my build, I have a question for any of you who have build Conny from this kit.  The next step in the process is to glue the bulkheads onto the keel.  I noticed that the some (?) bulkhead components have yet another flaw.  See below:

I don't plan to install a gun deck, so the fact that the flaw is repeated in what would be the gundeck (lower) cutout may not be an issue.  However, when it'll get to be time to plank the spar deck, absent a fix now, the portside of the deck will be slightly lower than the starboard side.  I see two options.  One is also illustrated below, and the approach I am taking with bulkhead C.  It occurs to me that I could also slightly taper slots in the offending pieces to allow for a little wiggle room to align the bulkhead so the deck edges line up with the closest neighbors.  C would align with B and E, and so forth. 

Sorry, the photos are out of sequence.  But I think third one (Bulkhead A) clearly illustrates the problem.

(I now see the advantage to making the bulkheads from scratch, but it's probably less work to fix the poorly laser-cut parts than dust off my scroll saw.)

Thoughts?  Advice?

Thanks for getting rid of the duplicate build log.  

I noticed that the image quality in my posted photos, which were generated by Adobe from the pdf file I'm using personally to document my build, is not the greatest.  This seems to be a limitation of Adobe's process of converting pdfs to jpgs.  Are jpg files the only acceptable format for the build log posts?  I prefer to put together several days of notes on my PC and maybe post to the build log once a week or so, but if I am going to post, it would be nice to submit higher resolution photos.

Thanks again

Yikes, I goofed.  I don't know how I set this build log up in the wrong era.  I couldn't see a way to move from one era to another, so I deleted everything I could.  I'll try setting up the build log again tomorrow - hopefully in the right place.

sorry...

I too congratulate you on a splendidly done model.  I've been studying all the build log here before I get too far into the construction of my own  Model Shipways Constitution hoping to learn from the best.  I haven't found a nicer looking outcome.  

If you're still monitoring the site for feedback, do you have any advice for someone just starting out?  

I too am delighted to find your build log.  I just unpacked the MS kit and inventoried items yesterday.  I've been poring over build logs like crazy looking for details on rabbets and fairing lines for a couple weeks now knowing that I'd not start the keep/bulkhead assembly until I had a concrete plan of attack.

Your build to date addresses many of my questions and I'm taking notes.

I am saddened to note that you haven't posted since April of 2020.  I hope you're all right.

Are you planning to paint over the hull?  

I'm taking notes..  Excellent work.

On 9/15/2013 at 2:10 AM, Sjors said:

Hi Rich,

 

You are bashing the kit ? 

Have a save flight and enjoy your time in Canada.

Catch some fish and show Augie how they looks like.

When he is fishing , he catch nothing all the time 

 

Feb 5, 2024 update: 

it's been 5 months since I responded to this post, and I've learned a lot since then. For one thing I now know what kit bashing means. At the time I assumed that bashing meant making unfavorable comments about, which is what I did below.

In 2020 hindsight, let me State emphatically that I was mistaken about the instructions that came with the model shipways version of the kit. In retrospect the constructo instructions are vastly superior. Though both are useless for a novice like me. Had it not been for the Bob Hunt  practicum, and all the build logs here at model ship world, I would not have gotten anywhere in my build. Now that I have some experience behind me, I'm actually looking forward to building the constructive kit after I finish the model shipways one.  

I love the natural finish of the Constructor kit and I would probably do something different in terms of planking the hull. But I will resurrect it when the model shipways Constitution is finished.

Original post:

Rich may not be, but I am.

I've been poring over the plans and instructions for the Constructo kit, as well as studying Rich's build log.  I've decided that I'd rather eat the cost of the Constructo kit and purchased the Model Shipways version instead.  I just received their plans and they are a huge improvement over the set that came with Constructo.  I'm still waiting for the kit, and know that it's been criticized for less than perfect instructions, but I've downloaded them and decided these too are vastly superior to the set provided by Constructo, which look pretty, but are virtually useless (IMHO). 

Congrats on having succeeded with a such a beautiful build Rich and overcoming so many obstacles handed to you by Constructo. 

And thanks for sharing your experience.   

Not yet.  I spent the better part of the last week poring over the instructions for the Constructo kit and reviewing Hipexec's build log.  I'm really impressed with Hipexecs results but the deeper I dig into the details of the Constructo kit, the less impressed I am with it. 

As mentioned previously, I ordered the plans for the Model Shipways version.  I'll have to study those in depth before deciding whether to continue with the kit I have or switch to Model Shipways.  (I'm pretty sure already that I'll be switching boats in midstream).  Once that decision is made, I'll launch my own build log.  I imagine posting one has quite the motivational effect on the builder. 

Wow, you are progressing quickly.  I love seeing the details in the photos and marvel at the differences in approach between your plans and mine.  

Keep up the good work. 

What a fantastic shortcut.  I was planning on trying to cut a notch the entire length of both sides of the false keel, which would have required my making a couple of patterns and setting up a pattern bit on a routing table.  This is SOOOO much easier!

Thanks for the tip.

On 9/22/2020 at 5:33 PM, Gregory said:

There is also the option when building a POB kit, of using an offset strip a'la Chuck, down the center of the backbone ..

 

 

Image from Chuck's Cheerful instructions.

 

 

Notice the groove created by the rabbet strip, that serves as the rabbet at the stem.

 

Of course, kits that haven't provided separate parts for the stem, keel and sternpost, would not lend itself to this method.

Excellent suggestion.  I figured that out quickly today as I began working on the kit.  I downloaded the instructions for Model Shipways kit to see how those differ from the instruction book that came with the Constructo kit.  I also assembled a small library of material on planking.  It's slowly sinking in. 

The Model Shipways instructions refer to their plans to find the location of the bearding and rabbet lines.  I suppose I could purchase those.  The scale is different, but I imagine I could deal with the scale conversion easily enough.  It would probably be a good idea have those plans anyway as I've already found the Constructo plans deficient.  Clearly, I have my work cut out for me.  

I can't remember where I read this in the last couple of days, but I'm going to follow the advice to treat each step as a project on its own.  

Thank you for your reply.  Much appreciated.

P.S.  Scrolling through your photos I see you've done a nice job of fairing the frames, which will make planking much easier going forward.  The Model Shipways instructions again refer their plans for bevel angles to transfer to the bulkheads.  This is another deficit in the plans with my kit. 

On 6/15/2023 at 11:44 AM, mtbediz said:

I always add the keel, stem and sternpost first but before adding them I cut the rabbet where the keel, stem and sternpost will be installed. This helps us a lot when planking,

Greetings Mustafa!

I too am beginning construction of the USS Constitution, though I'm starting with the Constructo kit. I've done little beyond opening the box and beginning the research.  Someone else at this site completed the Constructo kit and I've read all 60 pages of his posts.  The first question I had for him seems to have been answered by you.  Do I add the keel, sternpost and stem at the beginning and plank afterwards?  Or Plank and then somehow fit the keel, sternpost and stem?  Before I even begin to glue the frames into the false keel, I want the make sure I have a rock-solid game plan for the planking.

I will watch with interest as you progress with your build.

Best of luck to you.

Der Alte Rentner

Hello Rich,

Your last post was almost three years ago, but it was your epic adventure with the Constructo version of the USS Constitution that drew me to the Model Ship World website.  

I purchased the kit about the time you were finishing up your new base, but it's been collecting dust at my (personal woodworking) shop until I cleared the decks to devote time, space and energy to the project.  The time has come, and I am ready to eat start eating that elephant...

Having built the Revel plastic kit oh so many moons ago, but having it go south at the very end - the tip of the bowsprit broke while I was doing the rigging, I've been wanting to give a wooden kit a try.   Well, I opened the box this week, and started the planning process for the build.  Having seen how skimpy the provided instructions were, and having done some preliminary research into planking, I immediately learned that I needed to know more about some of the obstacles you encountered in your build. 

I'm not clear on the rules at the site for discussion of models, so if a moderator throws a penalty flag on this first query, I would welcome learning how I would go about asking you questions as I embark on my own journey.

Your pictures, and those in the kit's instructions, quite light in the details on how to attach the keel, sternpost and stern to your already planked hull.  Seems to me that it makes more sense to attach the keel etc. before doing the planking.   So, let me begin with a few questions relating specifically to planking:

1. If you had to do it over again, would you have substituted an easier wood to work with to do the first planking then covered that over with the finish veneer provided with the kit. (I'm not sure if yours came with this.  There's a note included with my kit that says they included the veneer at the behest of builder's - presumably because of the difficulty working with the hardwood they provided for the primary planking.)

2. How did you carve out the planking at the bow to cleanly accommodate the Stem? 

3. Again in retrospect, would you have affixed the stem, sternpost and keel at the beginning and carved out rabbets for bearding the planks flush with the keel etc.

Here's hoping you're still perusing the site. 

and thanks in advance for any help or insight you can provide.

Excellent finished project, by the way.

Best 

Der Alte Rentner

(the old retiree)