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I somehow managed to find a bit of time to work on the boat. I am waiting for some timber to re-do the false stem and also some filling putty to fair the hull. It is time to concentrate on the keel. The strip shows the shape of the keel and of the deadwood I decided to cut the centerboard slot, there will be more wood added but best to do it in two steps as pear wood is hard. The job was done with the Dremel using a drill bit to remove the wood like a milling machine and finishing off with the hand files. I was surprised as it was a relatively easy job Checking again the shape of the keel. This is tricky due to the curve of the keel but also due to the fact that its width changes along its length. The best way of approaching this is to put it together in segments, which is how the full size boat would be built. A lot of laminating and sanding had to be done but it seems to come along fine. I made a pattern of the keel near the Transom Then I laminated some pear strips to make the deadwood The deadwood was not wide enough so I added some more wood and also laminated another piece. This is a nice solid piece of wood! The Dremel moto saw only just managed to cut it. Fits reasonably well The space is starting to fill up I added the second piece, nothing is glued yet I made a paper pattern of the shape of the keel to prepare the third piece All three seem to fit OKish Lots of sanding later it definitely looks better but long way to go More wood needs to be added. There will also be another long plank added on top which need to be shaped All segments so far, getting closer to the end It only needs some more sanding so that the long plank fits flush but I think it is almost done. I will need to laminate and install the false stem before gluing everything together, and some serious fairing will need to be done first
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Hi Patrick You are building an amazing model, the amount of detail is astonishing! The reel has a marking that looks like 28 g so maybe 0.32 mm?
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Congratulations to my Admiral for bringing to the world a beautiful little girl! One Butterfly will need to wait for the other I guess!
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Planking is finished! Still couple of things left, to trim the end of the planks at the bow, add the false stem, the keel and the rivets, do a massive amount of fairing and possibly paint. The transom looks ok, I think the important thing is the pair of planks at each chine to line up. Again a lot of fairing is needed.
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Thanks Patrick and Bob, I now have huge respect for the traditional ship builders of old that were lofting on floors and putting these boats together with hand tools! Tad was right, planking goes faster now or maybe I go further in my learning curve. Two more planks to go! Just a few more pics There are I think significant similarities to the photos of the american team at the same stages, if we overlook the abysmal difference in the quality of the work. I hope the bow will come out like this!
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Thanks Michael, I am following your Skipjack amazing project, thankfully no engine in this boat! I decided to take a break from the stressful planking and laminate the false stem. I used again walnut which bents, glues and sands beautifully. It came out fine but maybe just not wide enough. It probably is just half a millimetre too narrow on each side but I d rather do it again than sand the planks, this is a decision for later. Even with all the planks fitted it will still be possible to laminate the stem. The next job to be completed was to fit the next plank up, which was a mountain to climb and took 3 days! The plank would not sit properly and finally I realised it was 2 cm shorter than its pair! I had to do it again but still in order to sit properly the previous plank had to be bevelled and some of the notches slightly adjusted. Generous bevelling was needed at the stern and bow. Finally I managed to get it into place and I am happy with the fit. I have no idea how the next planks will fit, hopefully they wont be far off. The original plans call for riveting but it is very difficult to fit the planks just with rivets so I used a minute amount of epoxy to glue the plank to the frames. I experimented with 0.7 mm brass wire I had and it looks ideal to be used for rivets, using CA glue and the dremel with the grinding stones to grind the wire flush. I couldn't resist a glimpse of the hull! I need to get many spare drills and a collet for the dremel as there will be hundreds of holes to drill. I think I should finish planking and then do the rivets. Also I still have not decided what to use for fairing the hull, the options could be PVA glue with woodflour or some filling compound from the model shops. The putty from the DIY shops is really difficult to work with.
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I don't really know what to say, I never expected such honours! Great to have you along in this journey Tad! The pressure is really on now!
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Thanks for the good words Patrick, actually I have not contacted him but you are right, he probably would like to know!
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The boat is coming along slowly due to other commitments and also due to the complexity of the built. I finished trimming the sides of the bottom panels forward of frame 1, where the lapstrake should gradually fade reaching the stem. Then the lower chine panel was fitted, one side at the time. The transom proves particularly challenging to address. The fairing compound seen near the bow is to fill a large dimple which I think is the result of cutting the panels quite larger than needed to have plenty to trim, this probably did not allow the plywood to bend smoothly. The lower chine panels also need trimming. The lower edge should not be touched in any of the boards and planks as it defines the shape of the boat. Next the lower of the 4 planks was fitted. The next photos show the bevel at the bow. Both sides done, again the transom area was difficult to tackle. One thing's for sure, I will need to fair the hull until my fingers bleed. The boat is now starting to show its size, It is really a large model but also the beam looks much larger than it does in the plans. I think that I should laminate the false stem before adding the rest of the planks.
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I think we have the name there Patrick, "Butterfly Explorer" !!
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The work progresses at a very slow pace now. At every step new challenges appear. Also, I try to plan as far down the built as possible to avoid finding my self in an impossible situation. I use a lot of epoxy at this stage which is a dangerous glue as it is impossible to undo in case of a mistake. Measure 10 times and cut one! I did some work on the centerboard, the edges came out very nice. It is time to think now about painting, as the centerboard will need to be installed before the floor boards. I will be following closely the american team so the top of the CB will be red, there will be a red strip on the sides of the boat and the planking will be white (or something like that). I used Acrylic paint in the past and found it very difficult to use due to visible brush strokes and extremely poor coverage. I found enamels much better. In any case, I got some acrylic paint from a DIY store, Valejo acrylic, artist acrylic paint and Humbrol enamel and tested it on plywood previously sealed using high quality brushes. Enamel wins hands down, no brush marks, a single coat equals to 4 coats of acrylic, no nasty odour, at least not in my garage. Strangely, I did not find significant difference between the different acrylics. The bottom panels are now solidly glued to the frames and transom so it was possible to finally glue to the stem which was much simpler than I expected. I have cut the panels much larger, to be trimmed afterwards. The apron laminate is still incomplete, there is 1 mm to be added. The structure is so strong that instead of two layers of 0.5 mm I will just add a 1mm walnut strip. The next photos show the test fitting There is about 1 mm gap as fitting snugly the bottom panels to the apron was beyond my skills. This will be filled however later on. The panels will also need fairing and this will be done before adding the remaining planking. Next I sanded the panels to the stem surface, preparing for the lamination of the false stem And I added the final layer to the apron I suspect the structure now is very rigid. The jig is in the way so I cut it in half and removed one side to have more space to trim the bottom panel. There was absolutely no play in the hull. The next panel (lower chine) will overlap the bottom panel so I can use it as guide to trim appropriately. This is done very carefully as removing to much wood will lead to a hole in the hull and much excitement. I realised though that the other half of the jig was still in the way, so I removed it. The hull is rock solid. Could not resist some photos though! The apron is now fully laminated and I have a suspicion that the gap is actually filled by the excess epoxy that squeezed out but I ll check this later. I have also trimmed one panel but only up to frame 1 as trimming up to the stem will be a more complex issue. The last three photos show the outer clamp and the test fitting of planks No 2 and 4. I must say, they fit like a glove and rest effortlessly on the notches at every frame! A rather pressing problem is what to use for fairing the panels. I tried some filling putty from a DIY store but it is not fit for purpose, it dries very quickly and is very hard to sand. Any suggestions?
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Thank you both, hard work indeed! I did some more work today on the apron. I first bevelled the junctions to the frames and then connected the dots. The different colour layers of the laminate help figure out how much wood to take. One side done The bottom panel finally looks like it has the correct shape. I did the other side and I am happy with the result. It is not a close fit as there is up to a mm gap here and there but I think it should be fine with some filler. There are a few problems though 1. The overlap of the planking should gradually fade as it approaches the bow so some bevelling is needed 2. A lot of bevelling is needed and probably wood removed where it meets the next panel towards the sheer 3. I used 1 mm plywood but still it is very unwilling to take the sharp bent at the bow. Maybe 0.8 mm would be preferable 4. I am not sure how to keep the plywood panel in position until the epoxy cures Certainly though, there is progress!
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Actually, I just realised that the jig needs to be cut to be removed as the apron is now in place. Also the hull looks really solid, so I just glued some more wood to strengthen the jig prior to cutting as it may ned to be used again. The epoxy has partially cured so I removed the plastic bag for a couple more pics
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On a different note, I do not think there are any copyright issues from the photos I uploaded. I think I should add the sites for reference Tad's site http://www.tadroberts.ca/ The american group's site http://www.boatproject.org/#628 If there are any issues I would be grateful if the moderators would remove material appropriately
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Progress has been very slow recently as I am really struggling with the keel, the bevel it should have and the shape of the bottom panel. I finished the CB case and installed it. I first used epoxy to glue the case to the frames. I tried packing the case but it distorted the frames. I was very careful with the epoxy as it is a very messy glue. I also added the outer clamps and glued the stem to frame No 1 I then reinforced the CB case with epoxy filets. It looks a bit messy but all these will be covered by the floor boards. In my CAD plans I designed the bottom panels but did not take into account that the rabbet line is not straight but widens at the centerboard. Also, the panels need a lot of bevelling where they meet the next panel towards the sheer. Overall I still have not pinned down the right shape. I have lined how much I think needs to be removed I attached the outer clamps to the stem Next I started laminating the stem. The plans call for 16 mm wide strips and I could only get this dimension in walnut 1 mm thick. The overall thickness of the stem is 3 mm and I think that the resulting 2 layers of epoxy might not be enough to provide rigidity. I managed to find 0.5 mm maple sheet to cut strips for the laminate which will double the epoxy layers. I will first laminate the first 2 mm, bevel these and then add the last 1 mm which will be shaped as the keel. I am hoping the bottom panels will then fit flush sitting nicely on the bevels. The american group did something similar It will not work of course as it is far too optimistic a plan but I will give it my best shot. Besides, this is what I would do building the full scale boat. The first strip 1mm thick is epoxied into place. The transition from the last frame to the Transom does not look too faired but it is too late now. Preparing to laminate the rest of the layers You can never have enough clamps The hull should now be very rigid. I will probably add another strip to connect all frames (beyond the sheer line) to strengthen the structure even further and remove the cross beams of the jig. The stem will probably need some form of re-enforcement as well. Things are getting very complex and difficult now. And with all the epoxied parts there is no going back!
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Hi Greg, I think that designing the whole boat on CAD helped a lot as I understood the plans much better. The Centerboard case is very sturdy and the fit already snag but your suggestion is good, packing the case will assist in gluing the mid portion of the case to the frame, although it could also slightly distort the unstable frame. The outer clamps will be added, then the apron and then the bottom panels. At this stage the hull should be rigid enough and it might be even possible to rotate it to apply epoxy filleting and the transom knee. The US team used epoxy, although Tad designed it epoxy-free with just rivets. No harm in overbuilding though!
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Thanks for the support Patrick, I never expected this simple boat to be so complicated and challenging. This is only my second boat and I have very little experience but I think that the curved keel and the centerboard add a huge amount of complexity. This boat needs to be held up in the air to be built! I was reading various posts on the forum yesterday and I came across I think Chuck suggesting to pre-bent the planks to avoid lifting. I decided to do the same with the outer sheer clamps. The next photo shows the upper most plank, I marked the sheer pattern and used it to secure the wet outer clamps and then used a hairdryer to dry them. I included some overcorrection to compensate for spring-back. I have not test fitted them yet but they should be fine. At this time I had to face the fact that the time for hard decisions and action has come. The keel needs to be laminated but if I do this first it will be impossible to install the Centerboard case. Viseversa, Installing the Centerboard case would be very difficult as the boat is being built upside down and the frames No 4 and 5 would need to be cut which means they would become unstable and loose alignment. This is a puzzle but it is clear the only way out is to do something irreversible! The american team installed first the centerboard case. Their jig is sadly much simpler! So the decision was made: cut the frames. I used 3mm liteply to try and stiffen up the cut frames, this did not work very well but still kept the frames aligned. I did not cut the other frame all the way. According to my plans one of the frames should have a small step. To install the centerboard some of the transverse beams had to be cut The jig had to be further reinforced so I glued scrap pieces of MDF and wood. The next photo shows a floor suspended at the level where the top of the CB case should be The beams where cut away. I actually cut by mistake the beam at station 2 but this did not matter. The jig is still super stiff I test fitted the CB case and it is clear the frames need to be cut all the way as it still sits very high After some careful sanding everything somehow fell into place. The CB case rests on frame No 3, the reenforcing planks are square with the frames and the 2 small planks that run either way of the upper margin of the CB case and extend aft to meat the support of the thwart actually do so. The centerboard case according to Tads plans extends a little to the Apron for added stiffness. I think this is immensely difficult to achieve in this scale. The next photos show the junction of the CB case with frames 3, 4 and 5 I carefully trimmed the excess case off. Everything seem to sit flush, I fitted a maple strip to make it easier to see the fit. All seem reasonably centered. The last photo shows the two planks reaching the thwart support. Next task to carefully glue with epoxy, maybe thickened with pearwood saw dust. I will need to make sure no glue appears above the floor line and first I need to open the hole for the centerboard pivot.
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Work is progressing slowly, due to other commitments and also because I am unsure of how to proceed further, these are uncharted waters. I think that these should be the next steps: 1. Secure the frames to the jig and laminate the apron 2. Remove the frames, cut frames 4 and 5 to allow fitting of the centerboard case , deepen the notches for the outer clamps in all frames 3. Re-mount frames on the jig, install the outer clamps, install the centerboard case (how?) 4. Install the garboard plywood sheet, this will require bevelling of the apron (how?) Easier said than done! First thing's first so here it goes. I tried to make sure the frames are vertical to the floor which is of course the top of my workbench. I modified a key ring sprit level by gluing it to a flat piece of plastic I then started adjusting each frame, but something was wrong. It took a long time to realise that my bench top was not horizontal by far. I had to use my modelling jack to square things up After this things went smoothly. I used rubber bands to attach the frames to the jig. The scaffold is screwed to the pillars so it can be removed and re-installed if necessary without loosing alignment. I found a way to secure temporarily the stem. I also beveled the stem which was much easier than I thought. The built is becoming too complex though and complexity is usually bad news. Anyway, I am ready to laminate the apron
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Thank you all, your support is much appreciated. There are still many difficulties ahead! I got very worried yesterday, I test fitted the outer sheer clamp and it was way off. I looked at the CAD designs again and realised that indeed I faired the sheer line in all views, however due to the lapstrake and the planks overlapping and not staying parallel to the frame, the plank to be used as outer clamp in order to follow the sheer needs to bent not only along the beam of the boat but also vertically along its own width. I did a bit of internet search and still the way the sheer line is faired is a mystery to me. It seems that all boat builders erect the frames and then just bent a batten that easily follows the sheer. However the solution appeared miraculously today. I continued work on the jig and glued supports for the longitudinal beams of the jig. I also screwed small pieces of plywood to stop the frames from lifting. I tested again the sheer and somehow it was fine. I also glued the templates for bevelling the stem. I am almost scared to do it but it needs to be done as the laminate is too hard to sand completely with files. The problem is I will not know whether the bevel is correct until the very last moment, when it will be impossible to re-do the stem. The sheer clamp runs true to the stem on the photos, I have allowed some excess to be trimmed in the end.
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I think this might be a milestone. We have a first glimpse of the hull lines! A strip shows the keel line, it touches all frames and I think is as good as I could ever get it. I also attempted to fit one of the planks. This is the lowest plank, it is rough fitted as it will touch the lower strake plywood panel. My first impression is that the plank touches all frames effortlessly and the bevels are correct, the notches on the frames are also at the correct heights, I am amazed with the accuracy. I added another plank, again it seems to fit ok. i am very happy that the two planks stay in contact throughout their length. Now the more delicate work begins, too many bevels and plank overlaps to tackle!
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The jig is progressing well. I plan to add later on longitudinal beams on each side at a height from the baseline and cross beams, 2 for each frame. It should be reasonably steady. I need also to secure the stem and fine tune the bevel of the temporary mold at station 0 that later on will be replaced by the cant frames. The centerboard case is also progressing and coming out very nice, I think it will be the best part of the boat! I am certain the next big difficulty will be bevelling the apron and the stem to accept the bottom plywood panel which is essentially the garboard plank. The apron will have a thickness of 3 mm so it cannot be beveled like the keel of large boats. I also plan to laminate a false stem.
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Grateful for the support Patrick! I agree with you, curved blade oars are nicer and probably the next ones will be easier to make but I need to find a way to ensure consistency. I should also try a flat one and see how it looks. Anyway, I will change focus for now and allow time for ideas to ripen. My drill is here! It is really well made, spins very true, is quiet and easy to use. Highly recommended. I finished glueing all the beams that are attached to the frames and sanded everything down to 400 grit I planned to apply wax to all surfaces prior to assembly but it did not work very well, the surfaces are very complex and there is a risk to contaminate the surfaces that later on components will be glued. Also, sanding had produced some fine whitish streaks on the wood that I thought the wax would cover. This did not happen though. I am not sure what the cause is, I suspect these are scratches due to not changing the sand paper as often as I should. They are not a huge problem though, it still looks good. Another problem to sleep on. The time has come to laminate the apron and for this all frames need to be erected. So I need to make some sort of jig. I do not have the equipment to produce the jigs I see the master modellers use so I have to improvise. I have a lot of this nice wood which is really a fence bought from poundland. I did a bit of Zen and I think I can make the jig work. Another picture of frames No 1 and 2. I am happy with the alignment of the components although I will not really know until the final assembly
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I had another go today making the oars. I watched a video on you tube of a company making high end oars and copied their method. I also found out the maths behind the length oars should have and for this boat its 32 cm, much longer than the first attempt. First I made a rough pattern of the curve of the blade from scrap plywood. Then I glued a small piece at the end of the long pieces that will later on be glued together. This because the end of the curve goes beyond the width of the strips. I used lime for two reasons, because it sands easily and also I have lots of it. I then made some more pieces from the pattern. The darker ones are pear, but these are cut at an angle to the grain so that when all are laminated it will provide some strength against breaking. All are glued together And glued again This is how it looks before the sanding spree The corners near the shaft where cut off and then carefully the oar was sanded into shape. The improvised table for the Dremel was very useful. The blade was shaped first and then the shaft. This is how the oar came out, it certainly looks better. It took half a day to make one oar and the chances of all 6 coming out reasonably alike I think are slim. Might be better to go for flat ones which should be easier to make.
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I experimented with the hoops and oars (good title for a boating magazine). The hoop came out alright, although mahogany is a poor choice I think as it splinters a lot. I used it just because I had a few left over strips but I might order thin strips of another wood. The hoop on the photo has been sanded to 400 grit and had a coat of Tung oil. The oar was much more challenging. The end result is horrible but I think that it could be done with a lot of patience, planning and attention to detail.
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