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Thanks for the 1980 document.
 
Brass has strength over wood.  Looking into it this was found:
 
"no lathe is needed: just make a shallow V-groove in a piece of wood, chuck up the wire into your mini-drill and work away on the way with a sanding stick with, say, 600 grit 'wet-n-dry' paper. Not even a mini-drill is needed, you can just hold the wire between your fingers, turn it by, say, 30° and count the number of strokes with the sanding stick to achieve roundness."   wefalck  Posted November 25, 2021
 
Sounds about right for a beginner .
 
The model I am working on is Revell 1961 CSS Alabama 1/96 scale.

Okay, I just had to share about this. I've seen this blog before that features a 1/10-scale traditional 20 foot long Japanese fishing boat from southern Japan. This looks like an awesome model and when I first ran across this blog, I was sad to discover that the kit is apparently out of production:
 
http://thermal2.exblog.jp/18578474/
 
Then, today, Kazunori Morikawa of zootoyz.jp posted the link on his Facebook page. I saw this and just HAD to take another look to see if I could find the kit. I went onto Amazon.co.jp and THERE IT WAS! Only 1 available. At around $140, it was a lot cheaper than other projects I've been spending money on, so I grabbed it up. I have someone in Japan who can ship it to me so I had it shipped there. I hope to have it in my hot little hands in less than 2 weeks.
 
This kit is not a Woody Joe kit, but Woody Joe's Hacchoro and Yakatabune kits are probably most similar to it. This kit is rare enough that I may just have to build a copy of it from scratch and keep the original intact.
 

 
Here is another Japanese blog site with a few photos of a finished model:
 
http://thermal2.exblog.jp/17591843/
 
I'll definitely have to start a build log for this one if all works out. I'll report back later!
 
Clare

Hi Kurt. I was looking for Crothers drawn plans called Sea Gull Plans and finally ended up here .I was thinking of buying the "masts" book too  but if it's too much like the clipper ship book then I already have the info. Wondered what you found in the 'Mast' book that was different from the Clipper book. Also do you have any idea if William is still alive? I can't find any info on that either. Currently building the Great Republic in 1:48.

Shipyard Kits are very nice.  

You’ll enjoy building them!

Ha ha... I'm not going out alone. "I'm taking you with me!" ☺️

Ha ha! You're doomed. 😮

I think that this was ccoyle's fault. I was looking around and accidentally stumbled upon a 'cardstock' build in the forum. Looked kinda interesting so I thought "What the heck!" I went to the named manufacturer, in Poland, and started looking around. Today, an international package arrived containing Shipyard paper model kits for the Nina, the Pinta and the Santa Maria. Not sure when I'll actually start working on these, but 'by-golly' I've got them!     

This seems to be an older post but I would still like to say thanks for such a thorough review and break down of the kit!
I cannot wait to get my hands on this 🥺

Just seen this thread and the associated videos on Utube. What a fantastic starting build for newbies or others. For price, interest (see the film series) , and likelihood of completion and satisfaction, to be recommended.

It's never a problem to reply to an older post.
 
I hope you share your build with us  
 
Jim

Dr PR, that's the material I use most.

Yes, we sell true silkspan, lite grade. It does have a "grain" which means it tears differently in one direction vs the other. This is important when you layer several sheets, you must alternate the orientation.
 
Nic

the comments with regards to camber and copper ta[e/tiles is just my opinion,

Chapman, the monograph has several pages of text and illustrations in a section devoted to "Hermione's Artillery"". There is no mention of obusiers/carronades. Oddly, Plate No. 21, "Castles and their furniture", shows what appear to be two obusiers on each side of the quarter deck opposite the companionway hatch. At one time I had considered trying to find some carronades of the correct scale to place in those positions but eventually decided against it. As I've mentioned before, I like Christos/Messis have struggled with how far to diverge from the kit and when and where to pick my battles regarding historical accuracy. 
 
Richard

I know this post is now several months old now but I wanted to add to it. My family was thoughtful enough to give me a copy of the ANCRE Hermione monograph. There are several discussions in the volume about how the French frigates were armed. Specifically how the main deck - forecastle and quarter deck - were equipped with the 6-pound cannon. Evidently a driving consideration was the number of 6-pound cannon and their affect on the center of gravity. The answer was to pierce the quarter deck bulwark with six gunports per side and the forecastle with four gunports per side. Just as the Hermione model shows. But the quarter deck was armed with only three cannon on each side and the forecastle with just one cannon per side. This allowed the ship to have only half the number of guns on the main deck as compared to gunports. When in action the guns from the side that did not bear on the enemy were moved the fighting side of the ship.
 
There is a quote from a naval cadet serving on the Hermione on 7 June 1780 that confirms the movement of guns across the ship that's worth including here:
     "the enemy having moved from starboard to larboard, we also had to move the castle guns; our men rushed to the pieces in order to effect this more rapidly. We had not taken the precaution of lifting the trip-cord              that connects to the firing mechanism; it became caught under a gun truck and the gun fired among us. Like the others, it was loaded with a roundshot, a barshot and grapeshot. One man was killed in the accident            and several others were wounded."
 
The quote is not a great recommendation for the "shared cannon concept" but it does seem to support that such a plan was implemented on the Hermione.
 
Richard
 
 

I would stay with the 6 pounder. Boudriot gives as standard armament for the Hermione 26 x 12 pounders 6 x 6 pounders The Concorde the first ship of the class (including Hermione) had according to a contemporary Danish plan of the ship 26 x 12 and 10 x 6 pounders. The plan mentioned the coopering of the Concorde 1779, so I guess the plan ist from 1779/80.  
 

Here are a few more information I wrote in a different context. Excuse me! For some reason, part of the post is not shown.  
he Standard 6-pounder also forms the secondary armament of the Hermione.

Hello, that the Hermione had Obusiers on board is unknown to me, and actually only possible at the end of their service. The French obusier of 36 pounds, seen on the Ancre Plan, was developed in 1786 and used from 1787 on French ships. This Obusier was developed from the howitzer of the Gribeauval system. It is not a kind of carronade. A "real" French Carronade came in frigates from 1804 in use. Source: Boudriot / Ancre French Frigates Now the question arises what information was available to the draftsman of the Ancre Plan? On the occasion. The figurehead on the Ancre Plan is also questionable from my point of view. Even if the AL kit of the Hermione is in need of improvement for sure. So it is also very cheap and shows the essence of the ship. I think a model maker can make a lot of the model. With a second veneer planking is gained a lot.
 
   

Yes, except by average onlooker. I notice it every time I look at an OcCre kit.
 
I think your idea of what constitutes a "complete" model is not universal. The sheathing is a sacrificial covering. Also, I know many people who don't like the look of the metal on a model, and would rather have natural wood that has the general color of copper plating instead.
 

Bit of a late update
 
Whoops, various things have kept me from the build; a few nice summer days for instance, but also awaiting parts for the build and so on.
 
Because of the various problems I've had with the kit; poor instructions and lack of, or poor, parts, I wrote to the suppliers. Given that the lack of parts, and poor instructions, are actually nothing to do with him as such, he responded very positively. He has been in touch on my behalf with the kit manufacturers, and has been able to confirm that the poor manual will be revised and items like the cast iron stanchions etc will be replaced with more sensible items in further editions of the kit - not much use to me of course, but the supplier did send me various items to replace or add to the broken or missing things; more cannonballs(!), more eyelets, brass wire of various dimensions and other stuff, including replacements for the cast iron items. Although he replaced those items, he did suggest I actually fashion replacements from the brass wire, which I had actually already started doing, having found in addition to the cast iron items that arrived broken, one only had to begin to work with them and they snapped - really really useless and not fit for purpose.
 

 
But the build has (limped) forward as you see. I do dislike inaccuracy, and I maintain the upper deck "furniture"; the stanchions etc, are scaled far too big. Given the handrails are presumably at waist height or above, the men manning the upper deck guns would have to be on their hands and knees to do so! It just doesn't sit comfortably with me. The cannon itself (one of the two just dry fitted for now) do seem too small, and the over-small wheels make the thing look like a toy. I may yet put more substantial wheels on them.
 

 
Again it just drives home what a well imagined and brilliantly design concept this is, but so badly let down by poor implementation and, well, that manual!
 
But I'll persevere because despite everything, I do like the kit...
 
Bryan
 
 

That's a nice look under the hood. 
 
I definitely can't understand the lack of deck camber in modern kits. Looking forward to seeing you build this one.

Yes, except by average onlooker. I notice it every time I look at an OcCre kit.
 
I think your idea of what constitutes a "complete" model is not universal. The sheathing is a sacrificial covering. Also, I know many people who don't like the look of the metal on a model, and would rather have natural wood that has the general color of copper plating instead.
 

Thank you Tomek!

Chris, can you tell what blocks or belaying pins are required to complete the model?
 
 

Interesting. At 1:50-scale, that makes it a direct rival of the Kolderstok Speeljaght wood kit... 🤔
 
Will be interesting to see how this compares. 1:50 is a big scale for paper ship model kits.