CharlieZardoz Posted September 29, 2015 Author Share #61 Posted September 29, 2015 (edited) And for my last update for the night I have pics from this weekend when I booked a cruise on the Sultana replica. Took tons of pics and a few measurements with my laser measurer. A lot of the pics are less glamorous and more informative but it was an amazing experience! Edited September 29, 2015 by CharlieZardoz PriceMachine&Design, Landlubber Mike, avsjerome2003 and 5 others 8 Quote Build on hold: HM Sultana 1/64th scale Current Build: 31 ton Doughty revenue cutter as USRC Active 1/64th scale (in progress) Future Interests: Ballahoo, Diligence, Halifax and beyond... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieZardoz Posted September 29, 2015 Author Share #62 Posted September 29, 2015 So they put me on steering duty. The ship was quite easy to steer and just feeling how much power she had as she careened to the left and to the right gave me such a great understanding as to what these ships were all about, an amazing experience dgbot, GuntherMT, avsjerome2003 and 4 others 7 Quote Build on hold: HM Sultana 1/64th scale Current Build: 31 ton Doughty revenue cutter as USRC Active 1/64th scale (in progress) Future Interests: Ballahoo, Diligence, Halifax and beyond... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieZardoz Posted September 29, 2015 Author Share #63 Posted September 29, 2015 Here she is back at port at the end of the "3 hour tour" around the Chester river. Chuck Seiler, mtaylor, Landlubber Mike and 3 others 6 Quote Build on hold: HM Sultana 1/64th scale Current Build: 31 ton Doughty revenue cutter as USRC Active 1/64th scale (in progress) Future Interests: Ballahoo, Diligence, Halifax and beyond... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieZardoz Posted September 29, 2015 Author Share #64 Posted September 29, 2015 The captain broke the anchor. Wasn't me I swear! Landlubber Mike, mtaylor, GuntherMT and 5 others 8 Quote Build on hold: HM Sultana 1/64th scale Current Build: 31 ton Doughty revenue cutter as USRC Active 1/64th scale (in progress) Future Interests: Ballahoo, Diligence, Halifax and beyond... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuntherMT Posted September 29, 2015 Share #65 Posted September 29, 2015 Awesome, looks like a great time! CharlieZardoz and mtaylor 2 Quote Brian Mystery project coming soon! Current build - Medway Longboat Complete - Armed Virginia Sloop Complete - Carmen (First Build) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgbot Posted September 29, 2015 Share #66 Posted September 29, 2015 I'm glad you had a good time. Wish I could be there with you. David B CharlieZardoz 1 Quote Work in progress USS Maine in cardstock.http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/7446-uss-maine-by-dgbot-hmv-card/#entry220003 Completed Blockade runner Teazer http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/6063-blockade-runner-teazer-by-dgbot-card-stock/#entry175967 Completed The Monitor Lehigh http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/6920-the-monitor-lehigh-by-dgbot-card-model/#entry203680 Completed Kingston Class MCVD http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/forum/10-kit-build-logs-in-progress/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieZardoz Posted November 4, 2015 Author Share #67 Posted November 4, 2015 Some new updates today yay! So the hull is more or less shaped as it should be, that is until we start carving the ledge where the planking is going to be. Here are some pics to show how the templates fit up now. shipmodel and dgbot 2 Quote Build on hold: HM Sultana 1/64th scale Current Build: 31 ton Doughty revenue cutter as USRC Active 1/64th scale (in progress) Future Interests: Ballahoo, Diligence, Halifax and beyond... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieZardoz Posted November 4, 2015 Author Share #68 Posted November 4, 2015 The stem and stern are a bit tight but that doesn't matter since 1/16" of an inch is going to be shaved off to make room for the planks. Same with the deck which is currently exactly even to the line on the template however I may plank the deck with veneer so just a little sanding rather than slice 1/16" off of the whole top which sounds -er excessive. shipmodel, avsjerome2003 and dgbot 3 Quote Build on hold: HM Sultana 1/64th scale Current Build: 31 ton Doughty revenue cutter as USRC Active 1/64th scale (in progress) Future Interests: Ballahoo, Diligence, Halifax and beyond... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieZardoz Posted November 4, 2015 Author Share #69 Posted November 4, 2015 the method Chuck uses in the practicum to determine where to cut is to basically find the location of the wale. With this I used a piece of scrap wood and began to line it up to where the wale is on the plans. dgbot and shipmodel 2 Quote Build on hold: HM Sultana 1/64th scale Current Build: 31 ton Doughty revenue cutter as USRC Active 1/64th scale (in progress) Future Interests: Ballahoo, Diligence, Halifax and beyond... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieZardoz Posted November 4, 2015 Author Share #70 Posted November 4, 2015 Measure the lines on each side to make sure they are even to each other then use the templates and eye it out. You don't want one wale to be lower or higher than the other. shipmodel and PriceMachine&Design 2 Quote Build on hold: HM Sultana 1/64th scale Current Build: 31 ton Doughty revenue cutter as USRC Active 1/64th scale (in progress) Future Interests: Ballahoo, Diligence, Halifax and beyond... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieZardoz Posted November 4, 2015 Author Share #71 Posted November 4, 2015 (edited) When done the wale should look pretty much as so with a nice curve that runs somewhat parallel to the deck. Edited November 4, 2015 by CharlieZardoz GuntherMT, Landlubber Mike, shipmodel and 2 others 5 Quote Build on hold: HM Sultana 1/64th scale Current Build: 31 ton Doughty revenue cutter as USRC Active 1/64th scale (in progress) Future Interests: Ballahoo, Diligence, Halifax and beyond... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuntherMT Posted November 4, 2015 Share #72 Posted November 4, 2015 Looking good Charlie. I actually think that the solid hull looks more difficult to me than a plank on bulkhead build. CharlieZardoz 1 Quote Brian Mystery project coming soon! Current build - Medway Longboat Complete - Armed Virginia Sloop Complete - Carmen (First Build) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieZardoz Posted November 4, 2015 Author Share #73 Posted November 4, 2015 Chuck's planking diagram shows where the planks should line up. After the wale there are 3 planks and then the 4th plank overhangs and begins making the bulwark which is only 2.5 planks in height. On the inside the planks line up causing an interlocking effect. I wanted to plan this now so to make sure I put the bulwark where it should be once I start shaping again. Chuck Seiler, shipmodel and dgbot 3 Quote Build on hold: HM Sultana 1/64th scale Current Build: 31 ton Doughty revenue cutter as USRC Active 1/64th scale (in progress) Future Interests: Ballahoo, Diligence, Halifax and beyond... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieZardoz Posted November 4, 2015 Author Share #74 Posted November 4, 2015 To a degree Gunther perhaps. The main benefit is that you can draw on it and if you cut off too much here and there you can just put some back on with wood putty. While plank on frame may be more precise due to laser cutting, you run into the same problems when filling in the bow and stern and if you are not careful the ribs may be uneven which isn't as much of an issue in solid hull. That said ill be happy when the shaping is finally over lol. GuntherMT and Chuck Seiler 2 Quote Build on hold: HM Sultana 1/64th scale Current Build: 31 ton Doughty revenue cutter as USRC Active 1/64th scale (in progress) Future Interests: Ballahoo, Diligence, Halifax and beyond... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shipmodel Posted November 4, 2015 Share #75 Posted November 4, 2015 Really coming along well, Charlie - I love that fact that you are checking your hull shape so often, and checking, and checking, and checking. That's the only way to make sure you get it right, or at least how you catch mistakes before they pile up on each other. For the planking, have you considered an outer planking layer of veneer, then a middle layer of 1/16" wood for strength and to build up the thickness of the bulwark, and a final inner layer of veneer planking. That might eliminate the need for a carved notch along the length of the hull to fair the outer planks to the hull. Just another way to go. Dan CharlieZardoz 1 Quote Current build -SS Mayaguez (c.1975) scale 1/16" = 1' (1:192) by Dan Pariser Prior scratch builds - Royal yacht Henrietta, USS Monitor, USS Maine, HMS Pelican, SS America, SS Rex, SS Uruguay, Viking knarr, Gokstad ship, Thames River Skiff , USS Oneida, Swan 42 racing yacht, Queen Anne's Revenge (1710), SS Andrea Doria (1952), SS Michelangelo (1962) , Queen Anne's Revenge (2nd model) USS/SS Leviathan (1914), James B Colgate (1892), POW bone model (circa 1800) restoration Prior kit builds - AL Dallas, Mamoli Bounty. Bluejacket America, North River Diligence, Airfix Sovereign of the Seas "Take big bites. Moderation is for monks." Robert A. Heinlein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieZardoz Posted November 4, 2015 Author Share #76 Posted November 4, 2015 Thank you for the praise Dan. I do have some thoughts/reservations regarding which way I want to go, will explain what I mean at the meeting later today we can discuss. Quote Build on hold: HM Sultana 1/64th scale Current Build: 31 ton Doughty revenue cutter as USRC Active 1/64th scale (in progress) Future Interests: Ballahoo, Diligence, Halifax and beyond... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgbot Posted November 5, 2015 Share #77 Posted November 5, 2015 Looking good Charlie David B CharlieZardoz 1 Quote Work in progress USS Maine in cardstock.http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/7446-uss-maine-by-dgbot-hmv-card/#entry220003 Completed Blockade runner Teazer http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/6063-blockade-runner-teazer-by-dgbot-card-stock/#entry175967 Completed The Monitor Lehigh http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/6920-the-monitor-lehigh-by-dgbot-card-model/#entry203680 Completed Kingston Class MCVD http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/forum/10-kit-build-logs-in-progress/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieZardoz Posted February 2, 2016 Author Share #78 Posted February 2, 2016 Greetings my friends! I apologize for the long delay in updating this log, between holiday season and personal matters attending to an ill cat I've been a bit behind. I like getting to a certain point before I update and I am almost there but figured I'd add what I've done so far. At first it doesn't look like much but the devil is in the details. I decided to listen to the advice of my better once again and plank the whole ship in veneer rather than just below the water line. This meant shaping the hull differently. So let me show you how I did this. Elijah and mtaylor 2 Quote Build on hold: HM Sultana 1/64th scale Current Build: 31 ton Doughty revenue cutter as USRC Active 1/64th scale (in progress) Future Interests: Ballahoo, Diligence, Halifax and beyond... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieZardoz Posted February 2, 2016 Author Share #79 Posted February 2, 2016 (edited) I realized that the best way to get the overall length of the model correct was to make a keel piece and then sand the model until it fit. So using Adobe illustrator and inkscape I scanned the keel off the plans into the computer and took it to a local workshop where I could cut it out with a laser. It took a few attempts to make it look just right. What I realized is that even a pen line thickness can be too much taken off when using a laser. Edited February 4, 2016 by CharlieZardoz Elijah and mtaylor 2 Quote Build on hold: HM Sultana 1/64th scale Current Build: 31 ton Doughty revenue cutter as USRC Active 1/64th scale (in progress) Future Interests: Ballahoo, Diligence, Halifax and beyond... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieZardoz Posted February 2, 2016 Author Share #80 Posted February 2, 2016 This was the finished test keel (probably my 4th?). I say test because the final keel will not be basswood but pear or cherry. It's purpose is for shaping so cheap wood from the hobby shop is satisfactory Elijah and mtaylor 2 Quote Build on hold: HM Sultana 1/64th scale Current Build: 31 ton Doughty revenue cutter as USRC Active 1/64th scale (in progress) Future Interests: Ballahoo, Diligence, Halifax and beyond... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieZardoz Posted February 2, 2016 Author Share #81 Posted February 2, 2016 As you can see we also did some furniture rearranging and I now have a proper work section in the room. She is so understanding. ;D Elijah, dgbot, mtaylor and 1 other 4 Quote Build on hold: HM Sultana 1/64th scale Current Build: 31 ton Doughty revenue cutter as USRC Active 1/64th scale (in progress) Future Interests: Ballahoo, Diligence, Halifax and beyond... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieZardoz Posted February 2, 2016 Author Share #82 Posted February 2, 2016 (edited) Then it's just a matter of shape shape shaping! Also pic 3 is one of the first keels. See how much thinner it is! As I was told by a wise individual you can measure from plans and itll still not be right. Use your eyes and judgement in this case the laser burns the pen line making the keel too thin so i made the adobe template a lines length wider. The keel should be 4mm by 4mm. Edited February 2, 2016 by CharlieZardoz mtaylor, Elijah and avsjerome2003 3 Quote Build on hold: HM Sultana 1/64th scale Current Build: 31 ton Doughty revenue cutter as USRC Active 1/64th scale (in progress) Future Interests: Ballahoo, Diligence, Halifax and beyond... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieZardoz Posted February 2, 2016 Author Share #83 Posted February 2, 2016 Had a chance to catch up on an old favorite during the meanwhile. Here is where the USS Congress gets blown to pieces by the Virginia. One day I will build her and she shall rise again! Elijah, mtaylor and dgbot 3 Quote Build on hold: HM Sultana 1/64th scale Current Build: 31 ton Doughty revenue cutter as USRC Active 1/64th scale (in progress) Future Interests: Ballahoo, Diligence, Halifax and beyond... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieZardoz Posted February 2, 2016 Author Share #84 Posted February 2, 2016 (edited) Now she fits and is the right size and shape! Edited February 2, 2016 by CharlieZardoz dgbot, Elijah, shipmodel and 4 others 7 Quote Build on hold: HM Sultana 1/64th scale Current Build: 31 ton Doughty revenue cutter as USRC Active 1/64th scale (in progress) Future Interests: Ballahoo, Diligence, Halifax and beyond... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieZardoz Posted February 2, 2016 Author Share #85 Posted February 2, 2016 In the meanwhile using inkscape and adobe I have also made a template for the transom, which I will use the determine where to hallow out space for the windows. I haven't taken this to the shop yet but will do when I have cut away the piece for the tiller to run though. For the transom I took the image modified via Chuck's practicum (which has a higher cap as seen) and then scanned it then separated the two overlapping pieces which will both be laser cut separately in 1/32 boxwood. Elijah, ScottRC, avsjerome2003 and 1 other 4 Quote Build on hold: HM Sultana 1/64th scale Current Build: 31 ton Doughty revenue cutter as USRC Active 1/64th scale (in progress) Future Interests: Ballahoo, Diligence, Halifax and beyond... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieZardoz Posted February 2, 2016 Author Share #86 Posted February 2, 2016 The program allows for you to correct unevenness's in the drawing. Remember if you use a laser the vector lines need to be converted very thin before cutting about 0.001 pixels. Here they are enlarged so you can see them ScottRC, Elijah and mtaylor 3 Quote Build on hold: HM Sultana 1/64th scale Current Build: 31 ton Doughty revenue cutter as USRC Active 1/64th scale (in progress) Future Interests: Ballahoo, Diligence, Halifax and beyond... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieZardoz Posted February 2, 2016 Author Share #87 Posted February 2, 2016 I took the two pieces and added them to the same scan sheet then edited the image so that each side was symmetrical (more or less). Then I overlapped the two pics making them transparent to be certain the windows overlapped with no issues. mtaylor, ScottRC, avsjerome2003 and 1 other 4 Quote Build on hold: HM Sultana 1/64th scale Current Build: 31 ton Doughty revenue cutter as USRC Active 1/64th scale (in progress) Future Interests: Ballahoo, Diligence, Halifax and beyond... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieZardoz Posted February 2, 2016 Author Share #88 Posted February 2, 2016 (edited) Putting the transom aside for a bit now that the hull is mostly shaped (the deadwood area close to the keel is still too wide), I added all the plank lines which again helps with shaping. This is the benefit of solid hull you can add and erase ad infinitum. My poor eraser has gotten quite a workout lol. Edited February 2, 2016 by CharlieZardoz mtaylor, Elijah and ScottRC 3 Quote Build on hold: HM Sultana 1/64th scale Current Build: 31 ton Doughty revenue cutter as USRC Active 1/64th scale (in progress) Future Interests: Ballahoo, Diligence, Halifax and beyond... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieZardoz Posted February 2, 2016 Author Share #89 Posted February 2, 2016 (edited) So plank line drawing for me has been happening in 3 stages and is still not 100% finished. First you have the upper bulwarks lengthwise which I drew the lines using scrap planks and small nails to maintain the curvature I needed. Also for the bow area used a piece of acrylic which is easier to bend without breaking. Finding the right curve is something best done by eye. Edited February 2, 2016 by CharlieZardoz dgbot, Seventynet, Elijah and 3 others 6 Quote Build on hold: HM Sultana 1/64th scale Current Build: 31 ton Doughty revenue cutter as USRC Active 1/64th scale (in progress) Future Interests: Ballahoo, Diligence, Halifax and beyond... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieZardoz Posted February 2, 2016 Author Share #90 Posted February 2, 2016 Then making sure the lines are relatively symmetrical on both sides ScottRC, Elijah, Seventynet and 1 other 4 Quote Build on hold: HM Sultana 1/64th scale Current Build: 31 ton Doughty revenue cutter as USRC Active 1/64th scale (in progress) Future Interests: Ballahoo, Diligence, Halifax and beyond... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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