markjay Posted September 3, 2015 #1 Posted September 3, 2015 Hi folks, I'm thinking ahead to the rigging phase for the HMS Fly. I realize that serving protects rigging from rubbing. The question is, do I serve just at the upper part of the shrouds around the mast or all the way down to the deadeye. Same question for stays.Thanks in advance for any direction you give. Quote Mark Phoenix, AZ Current builds; Previous builds, in rough order of execution; Shipjack, Peterbrough Canoe, Flying Fish, Half Moon, Britannia racing sloop, Whale boat, Bluenose, Picket boat, Viking longboat, Atlantic, Fair American, Mary Taylor, half hull Enterprise, Hacchoro, HMS Fly, Khufu Solar Boat. On the shelf; Royal Barge, Jefferson Davis.
GuntherMT Posted September 3, 2015 #2 Posted September 3, 2015 My understanding (and the method I used) is that all the shrouds are served where they wrap the mast, but only the shrouds that will be exposed to chafing by the sails would be fully served to the dead-eye. In the case of my AVS this meant that both the leading and trailing shrouds were fully served, but in some ships only the trailing, or only the leading shroud would be fully served, depending on the sail plan. Quote Brian Mystery project coming soon! Current build - Medway Longboat Complete - Armed Virginia Sloop Complete - Carmen (First Build)
allanyed Posted September 4, 2015 #3 Posted September 4, 2015 (edited) Mark, Assuming you are referring the HMS Fly 1776, you can get the whole story on rigging this and other Swan Class vessels in Volume IV of the TFFM series by David Antscherl. I quote from Section 15.24 on page 50, Fore and main shrouds........... These shrouds are 10" cable laid and their laniards are 3 1/2" line. The foremost shrouds of both fore and main gangs are "singles" that are cut-spliced over the mast head. They are seved for their full length....... Allan Edited September 4, 2015 by allanyed Canute 1 Quote PLEASE take 30 SECONDS and sign up for the epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series. Click on http://trafalgar.tv There is no cost other than the 30 seconds of your time. THANK YOU
Blue Ensign Posted September 4, 2015 #4 Posted September 4, 2015 Allan, the shroud size given in the TFFM is incorrect, the shrouds are 7" circumference cable not 10" as quoted, a typo error I think. Cheers, B.E. Canute, mtaylor and dafi 3 Quote Current Build: Medway-longboat-1742-by-blue-ensign-½”-scale Completed builds: HMS Indefatigable-1794-by-blue-ensign-vanguard-models-1:64-scale HMS Sphinx 1775 by Blue Ensign. 1:64 scale - Vanguard Models Queen-Anne-Royal-Barge-circa-1700-by-Blue-Ensign Fifie fishing boat Lady Eleanor Muirneag-1903-–-a-scottish-zulu-fishing-boat-164-scale-based-on-the-vanguard-models-zulu-kit/ HM Cutter Alert 1777 HM Cutter Cheerful 1806 18th-century-English-longboat-by-Blue-Ensign-ms-148-scale/ 18thc English Pinnace by Blue Ensign-Model-Shipways-1:24 scale/ HMS-Pegasus-by-Blue-Ensign-finished-Victory-Models-1:64-scale/ Heller Seventy-four 1:150 scale - modified Le Superbe/Le Glorieux kit after Boudriot, waterline setting with sails. The schooner Pickle, Jotika pob kit 1:64 scale, my interpretation.
druxey Posted September 5, 2015 #5 Posted September 5, 2015 B.E.: you are correct. That should have read 7". It is the lower shroud deadeyes that are 10" (in diameter!) TFFM is not entirely error free. I believe that the author wrote a disclaimer to infallibility in the preface! mtaylor and Canute 2 Quote Be sure to sign up for an epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series http://trafalgar.tv
tkay11 Posted September 6, 2015 #6 Posted September 6, 2015 In my copy on Page 50 it seems to have been corrected. It reads "These shrouds are of 7" cable and their laniards are 3 1/2" line." It seems corrections are made on the hoof as people notice them. My copy arrived a month ago. Tony Canute 1 Quote === First build: Caldercraft HM Cutter Sherbourne 1763 FINISHED 2nd build: Triton cross-section COMPLETED 3rd build: La Chaloupe Armée / 42ft Armed Longboat of 1834 by tkay11 – scale 1:36, plans by M. Delacroix COMPLETED 4th build: Allège d’Arles 1833 (Ancre) POB by tkay11 – scale 1:100, plans by F. Fissore COMPLETED Working on La Jacinthe 1:96 POB (ANCRE publications)
shipaholic Posted September 6, 2015 #7 Posted September 6, 2015 (edited) Hi Mark The answer to your question is that the foremost shrouds were served their entire length, the rest of the shrouds were served to just below the futtock staves. Fore and main stays were served to just below the mouse. Back stays were served to just below the splices or lashings Cheers Steve Edited September 6, 2015 by shipaholic druxey, mtaylor, Canute and 1 other 4 Quote Current Build: HMB Endeavour 1:51 (Eaglemoss part work)Previous Builds: USS Constitution (Revell plastic) HMS Victory 1:96 (Corel) HMB Endeavour 1:60 (AL)
markjay Posted September 7, 2015 Author #8 Posted September 7, 2015 Just want to thank all of you for your help with my question on serving. mtaylor 1 Quote Mark Phoenix, AZ Current builds; Previous builds, in rough order of execution; Shipjack, Peterbrough Canoe, Flying Fish, Half Moon, Britannia racing sloop, Whale boat, Bluenose, Picket boat, Viking longboat, Atlantic, Fair American, Mary Taylor, half hull Enterprise, Hacchoro, HMS Fly, Khufu Solar Boat. On the shelf; Royal Barge, Jefferson Davis.
mrangus Posted November 21, 2015 #9 Posted November 21, 2015 Mark I have been struggling with the same question for the stays - thank you for posting. I don't see any reference to a "Mouse" for my stays - I don't think my ship had mice on their stays. I'm not even clear what they are or their purpose... I'm particularly in the stays that run from the mainmast to the bowsprit (for the jibsails). Are these fully served? Thx! Quote
GuntherMT Posted November 21, 2015 #10 Posted November 21, 2015 (edited) Mark I have been struggling with the same question for the stays - thank you for posting. I don't see any reference to a "Mouse" for my stays - I don't think my ship had mice on their stays. I'm not even clear what they are or their purpose... I'm particularly in the stays that run from the mainmast to the bowsprit (for the jibsails). Are these fully served? Thx! The 'mouse' is a wide spot in the stay that prevents the eye-splice from going past it, allowing it to be secured to the mast. No idea why they did it this way vs. splicing like an odd shroud, but I assume it had some advantages in strength or something. Here is my forestay with the mouse completed off the model, showing how the stay feeds through the eye-splice and is secured by the mouse. And here are the stays in place on the ship showing both stays and mouses (click for big). No idea if your current project used the same method, but it seems to be pretty common to secure stays this way. You can see a step-by-step of how I formed the mouse in the build log here: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/8085-armed-virginia-sloop-by-gunthermt-model-shipways-scale-148-complete/?p=342164 Edited November 21, 2015 by GuntherMT mtaylor and Canute 2 Quote Brian Mystery project coming soon! Current build - Medway Longboat Complete - Armed Virginia Sloop Complete - Carmen (First Build)
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