flying_dutchman2 Posted July 20, 2018 Author #181 Posted July 20, 2018 #Sjors, glad you are enjoying the built and thanks for the information about the windmills in Schiedam. Marcus Elijah, Canute, mtaylor and 2 others 5 Quote Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better" Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia).
amateur Posted July 21, 2018 #182 Posted July 21, 2018 (edited) And for those wondering WHY schiedam has the highest (at least old, because the new turbine thingies are much higher) mills, that is because Schiedam is a city with lots of houses. Mills need steady wind, an no turbulence due to surrounding buildings (or even trees). So that leads to rather high (and completely stone-built) mills. Schiedam mills are not classic water or flour mills, but used for the production of Sjors' favorite drink Jan Edited July 21, 2018 by amateur cog, Canute, druxey and 4 others 7 Quote
cog Posted July 21, 2018 #183 Posted July 21, 2018 But they are beautiful nevertheless!!! flying_dutchman2, mtaylor, popeye the sailor and 2 others 5 Quote Carl "Desperate affairs require desperate measures." Lord Nelson Search and you might find a log ...
flying_dutchman2 Posted July 21, 2018 Author #184 Posted July 21, 2018 Sjors favorite drink......... Jenever? Thanks, Jan, for the picture. That mill is tall, wow. Just imagine a windmill in between skyscrapers 😁. Marcus mtaylor, popeye the sailor, Canute and 3 others 6 Quote Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better" Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia).
cog Posted July 21, 2018 #185 Posted July 21, 2018 A skyscrapermill ... to be able to turn without problems it should be even higher mtaylor, flying_dutchman2, popeye the sailor and 2 others 5 Quote Carl "Desperate affairs require desperate measures." Lord Nelson Search and you might find a log ...
mischief Posted July 21, 2018 #186 Posted July 21, 2018 Greetings Will open a bottle of Wine and enjoy your build. Ed thibaultron, Canute, mtaylor and 2 others 5 Quote
Sjors Posted July 21, 2018 #187 Posted July 21, 2018 Yes Marcus, The real Schiedamse Jonge Jenever from Nolet 😃 I live just acrosse the Walvisch en almost next to the Driekoornbloemen. De Walvisch mills corn for flower and the Driekoornbloemen corn for Jenever. In the early days thay are calling schiedam Zwart Nazareth because of the alcohol smell of all the jenever brewery’s . The pictures that Jan posted, in front the Walvisch and in the back the Driekoornbloemen. And when you take a close look you will see a third mill, that must be de Tweeling (the twin) Sjors flying_dutchman2, thibaultron, popeye the sailor and 2 others 5 Quote Currend builds: USS Constitution by Sjors - Model Shipways - Scale 1:76 HMS Victory by Sjors - Jotika - Scale 1:72 On hold: VOC Reconnaisance yacht Duyfken by Sjors - Kolderstok - Scale 1:50 Finished builds: HMS Snake (1797) by Sjors - Caldercraft - Scale 1:64 Nuestra Señora del Pilar by Sjors & Anja - OcCre - Scale 1:64 H.M. Brig-Sloop Flirt 1782 by Sjors - Vanguard Models - Scale 1:64 HMS Agamemnon by Sjors - Caldercraft / Jotika - 1:64 San Ildefonso - OcCre Le Mirage - Corel Smit Rotterdam (sea tug) - Billing Boats - 1:75 Sovereign of the seas - De Agostini Spirit of Mississippi - OcCre Santissima Trinidad - OcCre Corsair - OcCre
flying_dutchman2 Posted July 28, 2018 Author #188 Posted July 28, 2018 Borrowed a drill press stand with drill from craftsman. This thing is ancient, from the 60's, but it works. Next week will practice on a scrap of Ash and if it is perfect I will do the holes on the actual piece. Pictures will follow. Marcus Canute, thibaultron and popeye the sailor 3 Quote Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better" Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia).
flying_dutchman2 Posted July 28, 2018 Author #189 Posted July 28, 2018 Couldn't resist, drilled the 5/8" axle hole in the block and starting with the first of the 1/2" hole for the vanes. Marcus mtaylor, popeye the sailor, thibaultron and 2 others 5 Quote Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better" Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia).
flying_dutchman2 Posted July 30, 2018 Author #190 Posted July 30, 2018 Finished all the drilling of the holes and fitted then in the axle head. Looks good. Instead of being 90 degrees on all four of the vane tubes it is 91 degrees and 89 degrees. Per instructions this can be adjusted by shaving some wood off at the lower ends. I squared it over and over again, still not exactly. I guess the best thing to do is to use a newly purchased drill press and then get it exact. I am assuming all drill presses have some play after much usr. Oh well. Marcus popeye the sailor, gjdale, Elijah and 4 others 7 Quote Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better" Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia).
flying_dutchman2 Posted August 15, 2018 Author #191 Posted August 15, 2018 Closed the cap with oak veneer. Repainted some of the surfaces. Once dry I will add a layer of tile glue and apply it the same way as the fake thatch Marcus Elijah, mtaylor, popeye the sailor and 3 others 6 Quote Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better" Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia).
flying_dutchman2 Posted August 17, 2018 Author #192 Posted August 17, 2018 Added about 2-3mm layer of tile glue on the cap. Once dry, add a 1-2mm second layer on top of that and use the same coarse brush I used for the mill wall, to brush imitation thatch. Marcus Elijah, thibaultron, Canute and 3 others 6 Quote Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better" Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia).
cog Posted August 17, 2018 #193 Posted August 17, 2018 Can't say she isn't waterproof on top ... thibaultron, mtaylor, Canute and 1 other 4 Quote Carl "Desperate affairs require desperate measures." Lord Nelson Search and you might find a log ...
flying_dutchman2 Posted August 17, 2018 Author #194 Posted August 17, 2018 2 hours ago, cog said: Can't say she isn't waterproof on top ... We will find out when she is outside. With the second layer and some touch up on the sides it may withstand a torrential down poor. Marcus Canute, cog, mtaylor and 2 others 5 Quote Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better" Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia).
flying_dutchman2 Posted August 23, 2018 Author #195 Posted August 23, 2018 Worked on preparation of getting all the pieces together that make the vanes. The hardwood stock was 9mm by 2mm which I cut to 5mm by 2mm (the table saw comes in very handy) . The plans call for different widths but I kept it all the same. 1mm here and there isn't going to matter and while laying it all out on the plans it doesn't look clunky or too wide. Cut a little less than 13 meters (39 feet) of wood. The following have some Dutch words which I have no translation or it sounds rather weird. After reading the instructions over and over, I figured out how the vanes are put together. (either my Dutch is not what it used to be or the instructions are not very good). After the template (pieces #90, 91 & 92) are put together, one has to nail de roedebalk (Rod bar) on top of piece #92 of the template. (I made a hole for a screw). Than you lay the heklatten (no English), which are the horizontal pieces, on the roede and follow the angle of the curve on piece #91 of the template. Every heklat has a slightly different angle, so to lay it flat on the roede on needs to cut the area out, so it lays flat on the roede and downwards. The example shows it better. I made a piece from cardboard I hope this makes a bit of sense, if not you will understand it better when I take pictures doing the actual cutting Marcus Elijah, cog, Canute and 3 others 6 Quote Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better" Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia).
flying_dutchman2 Posted August 24, 2018 Author #196 Posted August 24, 2018 I started working on the fitting of the horizontal slats. First I angle the saw so it rests on both vertical pieces of the template. I saw at an angle and guess when I have gone deep enough on both sides. The plan shows how much angle needs to be cut and how to install all the pieces. With rifler files I remove the piece of wood where the slat will rest. The slat is fitted to see if the angle is correct. Once it is correct, the empty space will be filled with wood filler so the roede is even on all sides and once dry, a slat will be glued on top of the roede to hold it all together. This process of installing the horizontal slats will be done 21 times at different angles. Times that by 4 vanes which equals 84. Long process but in the end it should look pretty good Marcus mtaylor, Elijah, druxey and 4 others 7 Quote Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better" Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia).
amateur Posted August 25, 2018 #197 Posted August 25, 2018 I was going to ask whether you would cut into the roede. The answer is obviously yes. Do all four vanes have the same template? As in real life they don't have: the binnenroedeen de buitenroede are different: in the centre, they lay on top of each orher, the tips have ro be in one plane, making the inner one straight, and the outer one curved inside. Jan cog, Canute, mtaylor and 2 others 5 Quote
cog Posted August 25, 2018 #198 Posted August 25, 2018 The part to concentrate on! Your start looks promising Marcus. You've got your instructor (Jan) with you I see popeye the sailor, thibaultron and Canute 3 Quote Carl "Desperate affairs require desperate measures." Lord Nelson Search and you might find a log ...
flying_dutchman2 Posted August 25, 2018 Author #199 Posted August 25, 2018 # Jan. All the vanes have the same template. The instructions describe how the real vanes are made but that would be too difficult to create. So he describes an easier method that can be created for the model. In a real mill, the roedes are to be drilled out and the slats (heklatten) are fitted into the holes. In the instructions there are 2 inside roedes and 2 outside roedes 1 & 3 and 2 & 4. Also, many terms with descriptions. Marcus cog, druxey, mtaylor and 4 others 7 Quote Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better" Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia).
flying_dutchman2 Posted September 4, 2018 Author #200 Posted September 4, 2018 Still working on the angles of the heklatten which go into the roedes. This is a slow process, so no pictures. Marcus popeye the sailor, cog, mtaylor and 2 others 5 Quote Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better" Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia).
flying_dutchman2 Posted September 5, 2018 Author #201 Posted September 5, 2018 Finished all the angles on the roede. Dry fit with a deklat on top. Three more to go. Marcus yvesvidal, mtaylor, Elijah and 6 others 9 Quote Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better" Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia).
flying_dutchman2 Posted September 24, 2018 Author #202 Posted September 24, 2018 Finished all 84 angle cuts on the 4 roudes. The blue tape is to keep the wood from splitting as I still need to drill 1/2" holes into the roedes. Once all that is done it is a matter of fitting and glueing the pieces that make up the vanes. Also clinker built the front of the cap which will be painted green. Still lots of paint work to do and purchase the material for making the bricks. Marcus cog, amateur, thibaultron and 5 others 8 Quote Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better" Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia).
flying_dutchman2 Posted September 27, 2018 Author #203 Posted September 27, 2018 Completed drilling the holes in the roedes. Dry fitted them on the copper tubing that is part of the axle. Next comes building the vanes one by one. The instructions mention that this process is to work slowly and wait a day everytime you finish a step for the glue to completely dry. There is a step that I am not going to do. Two edges length wise of the roedes need to be planed. My biggest fear is that I may take off too much on them. Then the weight of the completed roedes will be different on each of them. All 4 roedes need to be close to the same weight, so it is balanced. I have a postal scale which I will use to weigh the roedes before I am permenantly attach them to the copper tubing. Marcus mtaylor, Elijah, Canute and 4 others 7 Quote Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better" Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia).
amateur Posted September 28, 2018 #204 Posted September 28, 2018 Hi Markus, not onlyneed the roedes the same weight, they need to have it at the same distance of the centre.... final balancing needs to be done when averything is ready: the roedes van have the same weight but still not be balanced. But it looks like if you will be finished before the rain season sets in. Jan Canute, mtaylor, cog and 1 other 4 Quote
flying_dutchman2 Posted September 28, 2018 Author #205 Posted September 28, 2018 1 hour ago, amateur said: Hi Markus, not onlyneed the roedes the same weight, they need to have it at the same distance of the centre.... Jan, The copper tubing in which the roedes are attached to are all 90 degrees, so I am good on that one. I don't know about finishing her before the rain season sets in. I will be spending more time on making the vanes then building the mill structure. Looking at her with the roedes the mill is pretty big, but then compared to the house and when she is in the garden she won't look 'that' big. Marcus amateur, Canute, mtaylor and 2 others 5 Quote Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better" Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia).
flying_dutchman2 Posted October 2, 2018 Author #206 Posted October 2, 2018 Started on the vanes and while each step needs to dry overnight I will also be working on the triangular piece (kruiwerk) which will be positioned in the back of the mill. These are all the pieces that make up one vane (wiek). The 4 triangular pieces on the lower right of the picture are called 'kluften'. They hold the light brown long piece at an angle. This is part of the vane that catches the wind making the vane move in the wind. The horizontal slats have been glued to the roedes. It will be drying overnight. Next time I will fill in the area on top of the slats with a combo of sawdust and glue. This is to show the angles of all the slats. Marcus thibaultron, Elijah, Canute and 4 others 7 Quote Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better" Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia).
flying_dutchman2 Posted October 5, 2018 Author #207 Posted October 5, 2018 Working on the vanes in stages. When one step is done from one vane, go to the next one and do another step. As for the glue used it is Tight bond III which is waterproof. The vanes will be painted except the slats. In reality a Miller doesn't paint his slats but uses an oil base material so he can regularly check his 'ladder' (slat parts) to check for broken slats. Here are 3 stages of assembly. From left to right. Left: Glued the slats on the roedes. Middle : Deklat which is a strip of wood glued on top of the roede and keep slats in place. Right: glued windbord in place. Strip of 5mm thick wood glued to the template. The slats are to end there. Sheet of basswood clamped to the strips on the side to keep all slats aligned. Deklat installed. The 4 triangles, or kluften hold the windboard at the same angle as all the other slats do. Windboard is glued and clamped. Marcus gjdale, yvesvidal, Elijah and 7 others 10 Quote Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better" Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia).
flying_dutchman2 Posted October 11, 2018 Author #208 Posted October 11, 2018 All 4 vanes have there horizontal slats (heklatten) glued in the roedes. Started by measuring the spaces of the long vertical slats (zoomlatten) by creating a template from basswood with the width of 26mm. Pencil a line using the template as a ruler. Apply glue dots along the pencil line. Put the template back and clamp it to a slat. This will help me by aligning the vertical slat. Push the vertical slat against the template and clamp to horizontal slats Remove template. Start clamping each section and let dry overnight. Did the first part of 2 vanes and here they are drying. The above is a tedious job and will take the longest to complete. Everytime I do a vertical slat (zoomlat), I will let it dry overnight. Once they are completed I will paint some parts. Marcus mtaylor, thibaultron, cog and 4 others 7 Quote Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better" Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia).
flying_dutchman2 Posted October 12, 2018 Author #209 Posted October 12, 2018 (edited) Vane one and two both have their 2nd vertical slat (zoomlat) glued on. The Titebond III dries fast. Per instructions is to clamp for 30 minutes and longer is better. Do not stress joints for 24 hours. Not much stress here so I will add the third vertical slat. Do it three more times to have all the vanes look alike I have noticed that some of the horizontal slats are not straight, they are a bit on an angle. Doesn't interfere with moving in the wind but looks a bit weird. Another major mistake I made is that the 1st and 2nd vertical slats (1st en 2de midden zoomlat) have to be in the back of the horizontal slats. The 3rd vertical slat is to be placed in front of the horizontal slat (achter zoomlat). I am making all the vanes with this mistake. Not going to redo this. Marcus Edited October 12, 2018 by flying_dutchman2 Add picture amateur, thibaultron, mtaylor and 2 others 5 Quote Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better" Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia).
flying_dutchman2 Posted October 15, 2018 Author #210 Posted October 15, 2018 Finished putting together 2 vanes. The other 2 are almost done as well. Than need to add some filler, sand them and paint them. The above pictures show the angle of the vertical slats (zoomlatten), on the horizontaal slats (heklatten). Next week I will go to hobby lobby to get some more colors of acrylic paint and some dark red powder (to color the bricks). Bricks will be created from a combination of Polyblend Sanded tile grout, Quickcrete concrete acrylic fortified and the red powder. I have already made a template and downloaded the instructions from the miniatures site. This process will be described later on this build. Also need to get a couple of cans of Clear coat lacquer (not glossy), 1quart of grayish paint to imitate the thatch. Marcus Elijah, druxey, mtaylor and 4 others 7 Quote Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better" Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia).
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