amateur Posted May 1, 2018 Share #121 Posted May 1, 2018 (edited) Hi Carl, The material sold is coconut-fiber, and I understood that Marcus didn't like that material. Although I don't understand why, because these near straight fibers are scale-wise much better than these plastic bristles.... The same material is also sold as nesting material for cage-birds. I guess it is cheaper when sold as nesting material compared to scale building material @Marcus: using anything thicker than the coconut-fiber is hugely over scale, and will (my humble opinion) not do justice to your mill. Real thatching is just dried reed, about one-and a half meter long, and not more than 4/5 mm thick. anything thicker than 0.5 mm will be overscale. The fun is that in a well thatched roof, the individual reeds can't be seen, unless you are a a viewing distance of anything within a couple of meters. I therefore understand the suggestion of using a kind of paste-like material applied with a coarse brush, and paint it afterwards in the correct colour. Jan Edited May 1, 2018 by amateur popeye the sailor, thibaultron, flying_dutchman2 and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Altduck Posted May 1, 2018 Share #122 Posted May 1, 2018 Have you checked any of the model railroad sites? Seems like some of them must have come up with scale thatch for their layouts. Canute, thibaultron, Piet and 3 others 6 Quote Richard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flying_dutchman2 Posted May 1, 2018 Author Share #123 Posted May 1, 2018 Piet mentioned using coconut, but what I remember is that it is rather curvy. The material you can order is nice and straight. Either brick and mortar stores or online shops should have this. So i will check in the US first. Worked on the cap today, dry fitted most of the pieces. Marcus paulsutcliffe, hexnut, thibaultron and 7 others 10 Quote Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better" Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flying_dutchman2 Posted May 1, 2018 Author Share #124 Posted May 1, 2018 Jan, I will check out the fibers available on the market. I have not gone through all my options yet Marcus thibaultron, Canute, popeye the sailor and 2 others 5 Quote Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better" Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cog Posted May 1, 2018 Share #125 Posted May 1, 2018 Nice work on the hood. It even starts to look like a mill thibaultron, Canute, Piet and 3 others 6 Quote Carl "Desperate affairs require desperate measures." Lord Nelson Search and you might find a log ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flying_dutchman2 Posted May 1, 2018 Author Share #126 Posted May 1, 2018 1 hour ago, cog said: Nice work on the hood. It even starts to look like a mill It does and building the hood is not that difficult. Marcus Canute, Piet, mtaylor and 2 others 5 Quote Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better" Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
druxey Posted May 3, 2018 Share #127 Posted May 3, 2018 As you are living in the U.S., perhaps you can find inspiration for thatching material at a Michael's store? Canute, flying_dutchman2, Piet and 3 others 6 Quote Be sure to sign up for an epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series http://trafalgar.tv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flying_dutchman2 Posted May 3, 2018 Author Share #128 Posted May 3, 2018 6 hours ago, druxey said: As you are living in the U.S., perhaps you can find inspiration for thatching material at a Michael's store? I plan to do that as well as hobby lobby and do an online search. Marcus mtaylor, Canute, druxey and 3 others 6 Quote Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better" Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piet Posted May 6, 2018 Share #129 Posted May 6, 2018 That cap is looking pretty good Marcus. Cheers, thibaultron, Canute, flying_dutchman2 and 2 others 5 Quote Piet, The Flying Dutchman. "Your greatest asset is not the quantity of your friends , rather the quality of your friends." (old Chinese proverb) Current Builds: Hr. Ms. Java 1925-1942 VOC Ship Surabaya Planned Builds: Young America Diorama - scale 1:3000 Future Builds: KPM ship "MS Musi." Zuiderzee Botter - scale 1:25. VOC Jacht in a 6" lamp, Buginese fishing Prauw. Hr. Ms. Java - Royal Navy Netherlands Cruiser. Completed Builds: Hr. Ms. O16 Submarine Hr. Ms. O19 - Submarine Royal Navy Netherlands Ship Yard Diorama with Topsail schooner - Friendship Sloop Gwenfra Muscongus Bay Lobster Smack Golden Hind - Cutte Sark (both not in this forum) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flying_dutchman2 Posted May 12, 2018 Author Share #130 Posted May 12, 2018 In between vacations I did work a bit on the cap. Instructions indicate that once all the pieces are glued together to weave metal wire to the outside of the frames. Then take cloth and cover it completely with glue and drape over the wire, covering the wire completely. After it has dried smear the paste over it. I am guessing that with this method one does not get the curves of the cap. I am doing this differently. I've added some more vertical frames and once dry, glue planks horizontal over the frames creating a lattice. Then use pieces of veneer (which I have so much of) and cover the lattice. The sides will have a nice ball like curve. Marcus Piet, cog, Canute and 6 others 9 Quote Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better" Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cog Posted May 12, 2018 Share #131 Posted May 12, 2018 Nice progress, despite the holidays ... I look forward to the look off the hood when you have finished making a mosaic with your veneer Canute, Piet, thibaultron and 3 others 6 Quote Carl "Desperate affairs require desperate measures." Lord Nelson Search and you might find a log ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flying_dutchman2 Posted May 14, 2018 Author Share #132 Posted May 14, 2018 Lattice is completed. Oak veneer cut to form will be used to cover the cap. Then a 2mm layer of tile glue and then gray paint. Marcus Piet, popeye the sailor, hexnut and 8 others 11 Quote Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better" Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flying_dutchman2 Posted May 18, 2018 Author Share #133 Posted May 18, 2018 (edited) Will be catching a plane to Ireland in a few hours and then off to the Netherlands for my mothers 90th birthday and be back after memorial day to work on the axle and finishing up the hood. (2nd picture is sideways, sorry) Marcus Edited May 18, 2018 by flying_dutchman2 Spelling mtaylor, thibaultron, hexnut and 7 others 10 Quote Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better" Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
druxey Posted May 18, 2018 Share #134 Posted May 18, 2018 Have a great trip and celebration! thibaultron, flying_dutchman2, Piet and 2 others 5 Quote Be sure to sign up for an epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series http://trafalgar.tv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cog Posted May 18, 2018 Share #135 Posted May 18, 2018 Safe journey, sorry we won't meet thibaultron, flying_dutchman2, Canute and 3 others 6 Quote Carl "Desperate affairs require desperate measures." Lord Nelson Search and you might find a log ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piet Posted May 18, 2018 Share #136 Posted May 18, 2018 Have a safe and uneventful flight and keep your seat belt tightened around your hips at all times. Enjoy your visit with your mother. 90, wow, a ripe old age. Cheers, popeye the sailor, cog, flying_dutchman2 and 3 others 6 Quote Piet, The Flying Dutchman. "Your greatest asset is not the quantity of your friends , rather the quality of your friends." (old Chinese proverb) Current Builds: Hr. Ms. Java 1925-1942 VOC Ship Surabaya Planned Builds: Young America Diorama - scale 1:3000 Future Builds: KPM ship "MS Musi." Zuiderzee Botter - scale 1:25. VOC Jacht in a 6" lamp, Buginese fishing Prauw. Hr. Ms. Java - Royal Navy Netherlands Cruiser. Completed Builds: Hr. Ms. O16 Submarine Hr. Ms. O19 - Submarine Royal Navy Netherlands Ship Yard Diorama with Topsail schooner - Friendship Sloop Gwenfra Muscongus Bay Lobster Smack Golden Hind - Cutte Sark (both not in this forum) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amateur Posted May 19, 2018 Share #137 Posted May 19, 2018 Have a safe trip. and gefeliciteerd met de verjaardag van je moeder! Jan flying_dutchman2, popeye the sailor, cog and 4 others 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Mike Posted May 30, 2018 Share #138 Posted May 30, 2018 Hello Marcus I stumbled across your posting by accident but I am so glad I did. I have been a big Dutch style windmill fan for years. I have had the opportunity to visit Zaanse Schans and seen many models on display in a few of the museums. Being a mechanical engineer by trade I am most impressed by the engineering and skill needed to build and operate a wind mill. I am also always impressed by the shear power they possess and the quietness of their operation. I wish the machinery I build today could come close to this power/noise ratio. I have built some models in plastic and a few kits in wood and have always wanted to scratch build one. I have a lot of plans in books and posters but my skill level is not quite up to building an exact duplication of an actual working mill. Can you tell me if and where I can get any plans like you are using? Best regards JMS flying_dutchman2, popeye the sailor, thibaultron and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flying_dutchman2 Posted May 30, 2018 Author Share #139 Posted May 30, 2018 JMS. Glad you like the mill. www.penterbak.nl has plans and the one I am building as well. Unfortunately, the website and the plans are in Dutch. Don't know if you understand this. www.van-vliet.org On the left side, click on Dutch Windmill. Check the rest of this thread because I think cog posted another website. Marcus Piet, thibaultron, popeye the sailor and 2 others 5 Quote Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better" Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flying_dutchman2 Posted May 30, 2018 Author Share #140 Posted May 30, 2018 Back from Europe. I stayed in Heerhugowaard, the Provence Noord Holland. My friend, his and my wife drove around and checked out lots of different types of windmills. It will help with building my mill. Also went to Enkhuizen to a museum which has the largest collection of ships in a bottle (more than 1000) in the world. Amazing. Worked on the tooth wheel which is located on the axle and a piece of wood that falls between the teeth. This prevents the vanes from turning in both directions. Only one direction is allowed. The tooth wheel is from hardwood, drilled a hole through it and also the axle. Put a long nail in it. This prevents the tooth wheel from turning on its own on the axle. Completed the axle with 2 brass flanges. One for the back and one for the front of the cap. The axle fits exactly in the drilled pieces of wood. (hope the above makes sense). Still have to drill holes in the axle head for the vanes (still need to find someone with a drill press). Marcus Baker, Jack12477, popeye the sailor and 8 others 11 Quote Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better" Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cog Posted May 30, 2018 Share #141 Posted May 30, 2018 Johnny This is the page for drawings, although an English flag is shown, translation is missing, so don't bother to click it, for it will send you to another page. Cheers flying_dutchman2, Piet, Canute and 3 others 6 Quote Carl "Desperate affairs require desperate measures." Lord Nelson Search and you might find a log ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Mike Posted May 31, 2018 Share #142 Posted May 31, 2018 Thanks so much. This is just what I was looking for. JMS Piet, thibaultron, Canute and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amateur Posted May 31, 2018 Share #143 Posted May 31, 2018 And spme of us happen to know some Dutch, so don't hesitate asking for a translation in the case google translate gives you nonsense Piet, flying_dutchman2, popeye the sailor and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flying_dutchman2 Posted June 5, 2018 Author Share #144 Posted June 5, 2018 Worked on the cap. Covered most of it with oak veneer (left over). The part that is not covered is the break wheel. I can do that once the axle is in. Still need to drill the holes in the axle head (askop). Also thinking of options of with what to cover the lower sides (where the doors and windows are). Just painting it green or installing horizontal slats with overlapping each other and then painting it green. Marcus popeye the sailor, Canute, mtaylor and 4 others 7 Quote Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better" Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cog Posted June 5, 2018 Share #145 Posted June 5, 2018 You could make it resemble stones ... the bottom part Piet, Canute, popeye the sailor and 3 others 6 Quote Carl "Desperate affairs require desperate measures." Lord Nelson Search and you might find a log ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flying_dutchman2 Posted June 5, 2018 Author Share #146 Posted June 5, 2018 19 minutes ago, cog said: You could make it resemble stones ... the bottom part You mean brick. I wonder how that is done with waterproof in mind. Make little bricks and color the glue tan? Let me think about this. I like the idea. One of the previous pictures shows wood slats and while I was in the Netherlands I saw lots of that. Marcus popeye the sailor, Canute, thibaultron and 4 others 7 Quote Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better" Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack12477 Posted June 6, 2018 Share #147 Posted June 6, 2018 Mark Taylor, MTAYLOR, did some brick work for his Licorne build, check his log Marcus. I forget what he used but it looked great. popeye the sailor, flying_dutchman2, thibaultron and 4 others 7 Quote Jack "No one is as smart as all of us" - Is ón cheann a thagann an cheird The craft comes from the head --------------------------------------------- Current build: US Constellation Non-ship builds: USCG UH-65A Dolphin M16 Multi-gun motor carriage diorama M4A3 Sherman Tanks dioramas 1936-1939 Mercedes Benz 540K 1934 Rolls-Royce Phantom II JSDF Light Armor Vehicle Figures: The Last Bridge: Raider Reaper Edge of Universe: Ianis The Last Bridge: Vadim with cart Completed build log(s): 18th Century Longboat , Marie Jeanne, Willie L Bennett 1888 50 ft Gaff-rigged Ice Yacht Scratch Build The Sullivans (DD 537) Liberty Ship SS John W Brown USS England (DE 635), Artesania Latina Titanic Lifeboat Gallery: Swift , Armed Virginia Sloop, Santisima Trinidad Captain's Launch , 18th Century Longboat , Marie Jeanne Other: Rhinebeck Aerodrome Tour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canute Posted June 6, 2018 Share #148 Posted June 6, 2018 Marcus, look at the flexible block walls on the Walthers site: https://www.walthers.com/search/page/2?q=stone+wall They have many scales, including G scale, which is the outdoor/garden railroad scale. Take a look. flying_dutchman2, popeye the sailor, thibaultron and 2 others 5 Quote Ken Started: MS Bounty Longboat, On Hold: Heinkel USS Choctaw paper Down the road: Shipyard HMC Alert 1/96 paper, Mamoli Constitution Cross, MS USN Picket Boat #1 Scratchbuild: Echo Cross Section Member Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flying_dutchman2 Posted June 6, 2018 Author Share #149 Posted June 6, 2018 @Jack, I'll take a look on Mark's build. I started making a template for bricks out of wood and pressed in sculpey in the rectangular holes. Took the wood apart and have little clay bricks that need to be baked. Have to figure out how much clay I need and how many bricks I need to make. Also, I need to paint them red because green looks funky. This is a weatherproof method. @Canute, Thanks for the suggestion. I have used that in the past when I had my HO Marklin trains and as far as I know it isn't weatherproof. Marcus thibaultron, popeye the sailor, Jack12477 and 3 others 6 Quote Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better" Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flying_dutchman2 Posted June 6, 2018 Author Share #150 Posted June 6, 2018 I read in a Philadelphia build that used sculpey terracotta and Liquidtex modeling paste. To make the paste darker the builder added walnut stain. I will be seeing Kurt in the upcoming club meeting and he has an article on how to make the bricks. I already put in $200.00 into the mill, so if it is going to be a lot more money just for the bricks I will stick to wood slats. Marcus Canute, mtaylor, popeye the sailor and 2 others 5 Quote Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better" Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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