NAZGÛL Posted December 30, 2013 Author Share #631 Posted December 30, 2013 Hey all! Ive been working on the round gunports on the weatherdeck. They are very unsymmetrical and quite different from eachother and I wanted to try and and get that look on my model. Here are some pics on the real ship that I took the pics at the museum. And two on the 1:10 model. They are too thick and to me look idealized. And finally are pics of how mine turned out. The ones closest to the stern are based on the Landstöm book, he thought they would sit differently, and sits to high. For me the best soultion was to do them in halves. Phew, that was a long post, sorry. But I wanted to share the reference images if anyone needs them. /Matti kriss, Salty Sea Dog, Ponto and 5 others 8 Quote Billing Boats Vasa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Y Posted December 30, 2013 Share #632 Posted December 30, 2013 Please make them even longer! It's really a pleasure to read! NAZGÛL 1 Quote Current build: Beavers Prize - POF 1:48 (Hahn style) Side builds: Schooner Polotsk by Master Korabel 18th Century Longboat by MS Finished: 21ft English Pinnace by MS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NMBROOK Posted December 30, 2013 Share #633 Posted December 30, 2013 Brilliant work and pictures Matti I do agree with your observations regarding the 1/10 model.I think these have been standardized/simplified to enable them to be cast from the same mould. Kind Regards Nigel NAZGÛL 1 Quote Currently working on Royal Caroline Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salty Sea Dog Posted December 30, 2013 Share #634 Posted December 30, 2013 Your build with all of your first hand references at the actual ship and the museum's model are priceless. Someone else mentioned it before but I'll 2nd the idea - your build is looking nicer than the museum model!! You make great efforts to get the 'wonky' feel of the original where the museum model is more 'perfect'. Just my humble opinion. Best wishes, NAZGÛL 1 Quote -Buck Current build: AL Morgan's Whaleboat (1st build) Kits in the ships locker: I cannot confirm nor deny that there may be a few kits in there... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
md1400cs Posted December 30, 2013 Share #635 Posted December 30, 2013 Matti, Nice pics. Your painting details on those small creatures that run along the breaks at the upper railings is so excellent. Nice work ! Michael NAZGÛL 1 Quote Michael Current build : Sovereign of the Seas 1/78 Sergal Under the table: Golden Hind - C Mamoli Oseberg - Billings 720 - Drakkar - Amati Completed: Santa Maria-Mantua -- Vasa-Corel - Santisima Trinidad cross section OcCre 1/90th Gallery : Santa Maria - Vasa - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
themadchemist Posted December 30, 2013 Share #636 Posted December 30, 2013 More nice work Matti....but I just noticed something on the original I never have before. On the lower gun ports, here's the pic you posted that shows it best Am I seeing it right or is it shadows, the right-most doesn't appear as it could be shadow.... They look to have a relief cut into the wale for the gunport lid to fit in above the actual port. Is it me just seeing something that is a trick of the lighting or is she this way? Also, did all the gun port doors have lions heads originally on the inside? NAZGÛL and clipper 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kriss Posted December 30, 2013 Share #637 Posted December 30, 2013 The supports for the.. plank thingie (the three iron bars between the leftmost two gunports) have pretty distinct shadows, where the angles match those of the gun ports, explaining the looks in the picture. clipper and NAZGÛL 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NAZGÛL Posted December 30, 2013 Author Share #638 Posted December 30, 2013 (edited) Cheers everyone, your kind comments are very nice and gives plenty inspiration! Keith, I agree with Kriss that its the shadows. Im fairly sure all the gunport doors had lions, but the two small message ports didn't have lions however, I asked Fred Hocker about it earlier and I think I remember correctly. Remember not to take the colors in the reference pics as gospel a I changed the contrast and lightning in some some of them with photoshop to bring out details. Speaking of reference pics, here are a compilation of pics of an old friend of ours /Matti Edited December 30, 2013 by NAZGÛL Quote Billing Boats Vasa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
themadchemist Posted December 30, 2013 Share #639 Posted December 30, 2013 I kind of figured that was the case. The shadows on the shroud chains aren't in parallax which indicates more then one light source. The combined light sourcing really makes that right gun port appear to have a relief though. Another trick of the Light. I thought they had lions on all the ports, and one can see the wood colour difference on the inner port door where the lions appeared to have been. Especially on the 2 left ports under the channel. Its hard to believe that visible after all this time under water. Here's a question since the question of lighting came up. All the pictures I've seen from the Wasan museum seem to be dimly lite. I was just curious as to the lighting they use in the museum. I know many older practices have had to be changed on relics as the light, humidity and other factors effect the preservation of the relic. For example the US declaration of independence is nearly completely bleached from sunlight exposure. I've also read that the high CO2 and humidity of visitors in the great pyramids was causing issues. I was just wondering if you knew anything about the constraints used at the museum to preserve her for future generations. that is other then the LONG bath and propping up due to her weight. I wonder if the museum is humidity controlled? NAZGÛL 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NMBROOK Posted December 30, 2013 Share #640 Posted December 30, 2013 Those pictures certainly make it obvious as to it's identity Matti .Looking at the pics,so much of the blue is actual structure and not carving.I personally think it looks like some sort of blue and gold mutant Catfish having a bad day.In the absence of historical evidence,I shall still view it as the 'blue thingy'.You do have something to work to though to replicate it. Kind Regards Nigel mtaylor, NAZGÛL and marktiedens 3 Quote Currently working on Royal Caroline Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NAZGÛL Posted December 30, 2013 Author Share #641 Posted December 30, 2013 Keith: Yeah it is pretty low light in the museum and they have climate controle. Here is info from the museum page: http://www.vasamuseet.se/en/Preservation--Research1/To-preserv-Vasa/Climate/ Vasa is slowly dying and they are building a construction to make her stronger and make her life longer. Nigel, I just have to try and see if I can make the thingie. Ill start right away. /Matti marktiedens, JanV and NMBROOK 3 Quote Billing Boats Vasa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NMBROOK Posted December 30, 2013 Share #642 Posted December 30, 2013 Interesting point Matti,I was reading one of the museum pages about the 3D computer model they created with laser mapping.She has twisted 8.5mm in the last ten years or so!Not good. Kind Regards Nigel NAZGÛL 1 Quote Currently working on Royal Caroline Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NAZGÛL Posted December 31, 2013 Author Share #643 Posted December 31, 2013 Ok, here is Mysterious Blue Thingie, part one: /Matti marktiedens, NMBROOK, mtaylor and 1 other 4 Quote Billing Boats Vasa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NMBROOK Posted December 31, 2013 Share #644 Posted December 31, 2013 The initial picture looks great Are you building the suspense up by a 'slow' reveal ?Quite justifiable as this appears to be the most talked about carving on the ship Happy New Year to you and your family buddy Kind Regards Nigel clipper 1 Quote Currently working on Royal Caroline Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NAZGÛL Posted December 31, 2013 Author Share #645 Posted December 31, 2013 Cheers mate, the same to you! /Matti NMBROOK 1 Quote Billing Boats Vasa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NAZGÛL Posted January 2, 2014 Author Share #646 Posted January 2, 2014 Happy new year to everybody! Mysterious Blue Thingie, part two: /Matti WackoWolf 1 Quote Billing Boats Vasa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NAZGÛL Posted January 2, 2014 Author Share #647 Posted January 2, 2014 (edited) Cheers, yeah there is a face there. A is some sort of blue monster/dragon. The golden wings of it turns into B a face, a mascaron (perhaps Poseidon?) on its back. So looking from behind its a face. C looks like two seamonsters side by side with the A monster. I will try to make the red fins for C. /Matti Edited January 2, 2014 by NAZGÛL themadchemist, WackoWolf, marktiedens and 1 other 4 Quote Billing Boats Vasa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NMBROOK Posted January 2, 2014 Share #648 Posted January 2, 2014 The 'thingy' is coming on great Matti Now you have added it,the prow looked like it was missing something before. Kind Regards Nigel WackoWolf and NAZGÛL 2 Quote Currently working on Royal Caroline Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NAZGÛL Posted January 2, 2014 Author Share #649 Posted January 2, 2014 (edited) Yeah I agree, and after all discussions I grew a need to have it. /Matti Edited January 2, 2014 by NAZGÛL NMBROOK 1 Quote Billing Boats Vasa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Y Posted January 2, 2014 Share #650 Posted January 2, 2014 That thingy looks like a perfect candidate to be a hidden easter egg button, that turns on some electronic circuit deep inside the ship NAZGÛL 1 Quote Current build: Beavers Prize - POF 1:48 (Hahn style) Side builds: Schooner Polotsk by Master Korabel 18th Century Longboat by MS Finished: 21ft English Pinnace by MS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Posted January 2, 2014 Share #651 Posted January 2, 2014 i have just caught up on your log terrific work NAZGÛL 1 Quote Its all part of Kev's journey, bit like going to the dark side, but with the lights on All the best Kevin SAY NO TO PIRACY. SUPPORT ORIGINAL IDEAS AND MANUFACTURERS. KEEP IT REAL! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ On the build table HMS Indefatigable 1794 by Kevin - Vanguard Models - 1:64 - Feb 2023 Belle Poule 1834 by Kevin - OcCre - 1/90 - French frigate - started June 2024 - - On hold MHS Britannic by Kevin SD 14 - Marcle Models - 1/70 - March 2022 - Bluebell - Flower Class - Revel - 1/72 U552 German U Boat - Trumpeter - 1/48 Amerigo Vespucci 1/84 - Panart- HMS Enterprise -CAF - 1/48 Finished Hercules by Kevin - OcCre - 1/50 - Tugboat - Finished - May 2024 Nectan-Mountfleet-models-steam-trawler-1/32 - Completed June 2020 HMS Victory - Caldercraft/Jotika - 1/72 - Finished Dorade renamed Dora by Kevin - Amati - 1/20 - Completed March 2021 Stage Coach 1848 - Artesania Latina - 1/10 -Finished Lady Eleanor by Kevin - FINISHED - Vanguard Models - 1/64 - Fifie fishing boat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NAZGÛL Posted January 2, 2014 Author Share #652 Posted January 2, 2014 (edited) Mike, yeah press the tounge and the gunports swing open. Cheers for the kind words Kevin! /Matti Edited January 2, 2014 by NAZGÛL marktiedens 1 Quote Billing Boats Vasa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NAZGÛL Posted January 4, 2014 Author Share #653 Posted January 4, 2014 Hey all! Just a heads up that part 2 of the documentary is up now. http://www.svt.se/dokumentarfilm/se-program/article208243.svt /Matti Quote Billing Boats Vasa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marktiedens Posted January 4, 2014 Share #654 Posted January 4, 2014 (edited) Wonderfull film - thanks for sharing.Even though I don`t know Swedish the images speak for themselves. Mark Edited January 4, 2014 by marktiedens Quote current build - HMS Vanguard - Model Shipways Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NAZGÛL Posted January 4, 2014 Author Share #655 Posted January 4, 2014 (edited) Yeah, the documentary is great Lawrence and Mark. If you missed part one, give it a look. The thingie is finished, and I'm working on the head boxes/toilets. I'll post pics later on. Cheers /Matti PS, The DVD has English subtitles. Edited January 4, 2014 by NAZGÛL Quote Billing Boats Vasa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulises Victoria Posted January 4, 2014 Share #656 Posted January 4, 2014 Matti. Is there a DVD available? Where??? Quote There aren't but two options: do it FAST, or do it RIGHT. Current Project Build Log: Soleil Royal in 1/72. Kit by Artesania Latina. Last finished projects: Royal Ship Vasa 1628; French Vessel Royal Louis 1780. 1/90 Scale by Mamoli. 120 Cannons Future projects already in my stash: Panart: San Felipe 1/75; OcCre: Santísima Trinidad 1/90; Wish List: 1/64 Amati Victory, HMS Enterprise in 1/48 by CAF models. So much to build, so little time! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NAZGÛL Posted January 4, 2014 Author Share #657 Posted January 4, 2014 The documentary linked above is also sold as a DVD, with subtitles in english, russian and german. /Matti mtaylor 1 Quote Billing Boats Vasa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JanV Posted January 4, 2014 Share #658 Posted January 4, 2014 indeed very nice movies, I have seen these already before and my daughter then saved these movies on my laptop for later review. only watching is already a pleasure. If I could see he movie with English subtitles would be more perfect. I assume this can be ordered by Amazon or equal webshops as I do not see a weborder possiblity at the museum shop Quote Jan V. current build: Vasa-1628 Corel / Battle Station Mantua/Panart, previous: Statenjacht / Cross section HMS Victory / diorama shipyard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulises Victoria Posted January 4, 2014 Share #659 Posted January 4, 2014 Well Amazon has one (and I mean "one unit") of a Vasa Documentary selling used at 127 dlls, and filmed in 1996. I don't think is the one linked here. Quote There aren't but two options: do it FAST, or do it RIGHT. Current Project Build Log: Soleil Royal in 1/72. Kit by Artesania Latina. Last finished projects: Royal Ship Vasa 1628; French Vessel Royal Louis 1780. 1/90 Scale by Mamoli. 120 Cannons Future projects already in my stash: Panart: San Felipe 1/75; OcCre: Santísima Trinidad 1/90; Wish List: 1/64 Amati Victory, HMS Enterprise in 1/48 by CAF models. So much to build, so little time! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NAZGÛL Posted January 4, 2014 Author Share #660 Posted January 4, 2014 (edited) Here are 10+ available at eBay. /Matti http://m.ebay.com/itm/151185771993?nav=SEARCH&sbk=1 Edited January 4, 2014 by NAZGÛL Quote Billing Boats Vasa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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