NAZGÛL Posted January 31, 2014 Author Share #751 Posted January 31, 2014 Nice video! Stefan is a very nice person. /Matti Quote Billing Boats Vasa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NAZGÛL Posted February 2, 2014 Author Share #752 Posted February 2, 2014 Small update: I've painted the big sculpture at the middle of the ship. First how it looks on the 1:10: And here is how mine turned out: I've also made the wooden pieces that sits around the round holes below the bow: I have also started to plan the cannons and now know what where used. By looking at the guns made by Clayton for the 1:10 model at the museum I noticed that the guns supplied by BB is not that bad actually and I will use them for the stormstycke cannons. To my relief the wagons included in the kit is close to the originals in look so there is no need to buy or build others. I might tweak them some though. On the real ship 8 of the cannons where old 3 pounders made in the 1500's. I decided to scratch these in wood as I want to have those long and thin barrels. Here is how they turned out: /Matti newbuilder101, Vivian Galad, hexnut and 5 others 8 Quote Billing Boats Vasa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonbug Posted February 2, 2014 Share #753 Posted February 2, 2014 Great discussion and great work. - Bug NAZGÛL 1 Quote - Bug Current Build: HMS Pegasus - Victory Models Completed Builds - Augie's USF Confederacy AL Santa Maria - Heavily Bashed AL San Juan Nepomuceno AL Swift Pilot Boat Cris Craft AL Stagecoach Ship Blog - The Lehman Shipyard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NMBROOK Posted February 2, 2014 Share #754 Posted February 2, 2014 Fabulous work Matti With your painting skills I should imagine it is immaterial that the carriages are plastic.Your scratchbuilt cannon barrels are wonderful and you would not buy anything off the shelf that looked like those.With the quality of your build,it is easy to forget that this is your first wooden build,exemplary work my friend!!! Kind Regards Nigel NAZGÛL 1 Quote Currently working on Royal Caroline Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NAZGÛL Posted February 2, 2014 Author Share #755 Posted February 2, 2014 Thanks for the nice comments Bug and Nigel! Nigel, the carriages are made of plywood. If I've understood it correctly they where likely painted black, and that's what the look I plan to give them, a grayish black. They will hopefully look something like this: /Matti mtaylor, firdajan and WackoWolf 3 Quote Billing Boats Vasa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NMBROOK Posted February 2, 2014 Share #756 Posted February 2, 2014 My mistake mate,they did make them from plastic once upon a time I think?They are pretty good,I do wonder why the trunnion isn't in the correct place as the rest is spot on. Kind Regards Nigel NAZGÛL 1 Quote Currently working on Royal Caroline Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philo426 Posted February 2, 2014 Share #757 Posted February 2, 2014 Yes!it is hard to believe it is his first build!Naz has mad skills! NAZGÛL and Salty Sea Dog 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NAZGÛL Posted February 2, 2014 Author Share #758 Posted February 2, 2014 (edited) Cheers Phil! Nigel, If the trunnion is where the axis from the cannon connect, then it is likely because of the BB cannon design. In their defense the carriages must have been different from the different cannon models and their lenghts. The cannon in the pic is one of the "newer" 24 pounders, the ones on the weatherdeck where others. Especially the 1 pounder has the axis further backwards due to the short length. I think there must be some guesses about how the other cannons looked as they must have been the first cannons salvaged in the 1600's and therefore we only have the lists made of her weaponry. /Matti Edited February 2, 2014 by NAZGÛL Quote Billing Boats Vasa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NMBROOK Posted February 2, 2014 Share #759 Posted February 2, 2014 Cheers Phil! Nigel, If the trunnion is where the axis from the cannon connect, then it is likely because of the BB cannon design. In their defense the carriages must have been different from the different cannon models and their lenghts. The cannon in the pic is one of the "newer" 24 pounders, the ones on the weatherdeck where others. Especially the 1 pounder has the axis further backwards due to the short length. I think there must be some guesses about how the other cannons looked as they must have been the first cannons salvaged in the 1600's and therefore we only have the lists made of her weaponry. /Matti Yes mate,the pivot point.Yes I understand,essentially the pictured cannon is not one that fits on the kit carriages.I agree that Billings would have to make some educated guesses,especially at the time the kit was designed.I think they would have more likely produced a generic cannon enabling them to use this with Norske Love as well.As kit parts go though this is definitely one of the better representations on the kit market. Kind Regards Nigel NAZGÛL 1 Quote Currently working on Royal Caroline Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NAZGÛL Posted February 2, 2014 Author Share #760 Posted February 2, 2014 Yeah, the overall shape of the cannon is not bad, even if it is simplified and only in 2 versions, but I think it's expecting a lot to want all versions of cannons. Hopefully a descent paintjob will make them work well. Carriages.The kit has 3 different kind of carriages, the one in the pic and one almost the same, only slightly smaller. The third is the old army two wheel carriage for the 2 one pounders. I do liked that idea, but I will use a carriage like the others, only slimmer (I have this option with my extra spare parts). That's the way the 1:10 has it, and it's the logical way to do it. It was hard to make cannons in the 1600's, but not to make practical carriages. The big 2 wheeler would be really impractical. One of the cannons had no carriage and where just strapped to the deck. I will look into that and see how that would have worked. /Matti NMBROOK 1 Quote Billing Boats Vasa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karleop Posted February 5, 2014 Share #761 Posted February 5, 2014 Hi Matti: Now I are beginning with the bow and seeing the instructions and drawings there is a piece that I have tried to figure out where it belongs, and although I have carefully reviewed your photos (page 38-40) in the forum I could not identified it. There is a little arrow almost in the extreme right of the upper drawing but I dont thing it corresponds to it. Can you be so kind to tell me where it goes? Thanks WackoWolf 1 Quote Finished Models (Gallery): Pandora (Constructo), HMS Endeavour (AL), San FranciscoII (AL), Fishing boat (scratch), Vasa (Billing Boats) Construction logs: Vasa (Billing Boats) Pride of Baltimore II (M. Shipways) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NAZGÛL Posted February 6, 2014 Author Share #762 Posted February 6, 2014 (edited) Hi Karleop, I build this by eye and used reference pics and I didnt use the instructions for it much. I took the parts and compaired to the real ship. That way is better to try to get all different angles correctly aligned imo. The instruction images have some of the angles wrong. I posted pics you can use for it earlier in this thread. /Matti Edited February 6, 2014 by NAZGÛL Quote Billing Boats Vasa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karleop Posted February 6, 2014 Share #763 Posted February 6, 2014 Thanks, I'll do the same. Although I must say that this picture intrigued me and I thought you'd know what it was. Saludos NAZGÛL 1 Quote Finished Models (Gallery): Pandora (Constructo), HMS Endeavour (AL), San FranciscoII (AL), Fishing boat (scratch), Vasa (Billing Boats) Construction logs: Vasa (Billing Boats) Pride of Baltimore II (M. Shipways) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NAZGÛL Posted February 6, 2014 Author Share #764 Posted February 6, 2014 I don't know, maybe it's of how the planks should be angled where they meet. /Matti Quote Billing Boats Vasa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NAZGÛL Posted February 10, 2014 Author Share #765 Posted February 10, 2014 Hey all! Making the cannons are more work then I thought. The wheels and axels are brass and I'm no fan of metal parts as they make painting and shaping much harder. So there is a lot of time just to sand them to make the paint bite. Anyway the carriages are made of a total of 20 parts each (I still have to add the two locking parts that holds the cannon). Painting them black was quite tricky as it's hard to get a realistic look with the details noticeable. It's a mixture with gray/black. Then highlighting edges and details with gray and finally blending them with brown/black washes. I wanted the wheels to look like they where rolled in dust/being worned so they are painted like the carriages. A few pics of the real cannons and carriages: And here are mine so far: Still some painting left to do, and also there are some baking soda I need to clean off. /Matti maggsl_01, olliechristo, canoe21 and 10 others 13 Quote Billing Boats Vasa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NMBROOK Posted February 10, 2014 Share #766 Posted February 10, 2014 I have to hand it to you mate,those are amongst some of the best representations of artillery at this scale I have seen Put simply they just look REAL! Kind Regards Nigel NAZGÛL 1 Quote Currently working on Royal Caroline Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NAZGÛL Posted February 10, 2014 Author Share #767 Posted February 10, 2014 Thanks mate, thats a very kind comment that makes me happy! I forgot to say that they ordered black paint for the carriers when they built her. One of the falconets had no carriage but where strapped to the deck and I will likely try to do that on my model also. Cheers /Matti NMBROOK 1 Quote Billing Boats Vasa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JanV Posted February 10, 2014 Share #768 Posted February 10, 2014 that is a great job you are doing Matti. I think I should wait with my canons NAZGÛL 1 Quote Jan V. current build: Vasa-1628 Corel / Battle Station Mantua/Panart, previous: Statenjacht / Cross section HMS Victory / diorama shipyard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NAZGÛL Posted February 10, 2014 Author Share #769 Posted February 10, 2014 Cheers Jan, looking forward to see what you do when you start with yours. /Matti Quote Billing Boats Vasa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andre Posted February 10, 2014 Share #770 Posted February 10, 2014 Matti, You have made amazing carriages for your canons. When I am at that stage (hopefully soon) I will surely have a thorough look at your example to see how I could come near to yours. Andre Quote Completed: Catalina from Mamoli (1/32) European small river ship (scratch build) (1/50) Currently building: Wasa from Corel (1/75) Future: Titanic (Mantua), Batavia (Kolderstok), Friesland (Mamoli), Bismarck (Hachette), Prins Willem (Corel) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NAZGÛL Posted February 10, 2014 Author Share #771 Posted February 10, 2014 Thank you Andre! /Matti Quote Billing Boats Vasa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mobbsie Posted February 11, 2014 Share #772 Posted February 11, 2014 Hi Matti, There's a whole lot of work going on there mate and the results are really good, those cannon really look the part. Very well done mate. Be Good mobbsie NAZGÛL 1 Quote mobbsie All mistakes are deliberate ( me ) Current Build:- HMS Schooner Pickle Completed Builds :- Panart 1/16 Armed Launch / Pinnace ( Completed ), Granado Cross Section 1/48 Harwich Bawley, Restoration, Thames Barge Edme, Repair / Restoration, Will Everard 1/67 Billings HMS Agamemnon 1781 - 1/64 Caldercraft Kit, HM Brig Badger, HM Bomb Vessel Granado, Thames Steam Launch Louise, Thames Barge Edme, Viking Dragon Boat Next Build :- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NAZGÛL Posted February 11, 2014 Author Share #773 Posted February 11, 2014 Thank you very much mobbsie! /Matti Quote Billing Boats Vasa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NAZGÛL Posted February 14, 2014 Author Share #774 Posted February 14, 2014 Thanks buddy, I´m still working on them. Also still surprised how much work there is to make these guys. /Matti canoe21 1 Quote Billing Boats Vasa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NAZGÛL Posted February 16, 2014 Author Share #775 Posted February 16, 2014 Phew, here's a pic of three finished cannons. There where many hours to get them the way I wanted and they are quite fragile. I plan to simplify the cannon rigging, as I'm afraid to to make it look like someone throw a bunch of ropes over them at this scale. I still havent decide how to do it yet but I'm leaning thowards a rather simple setup. /Matti newbuilder101, canoe21, firdajan and 7 others 10 Quote Billing Boats Vasa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mobbsie Posted February 16, 2014 Share #776 Posted February 16, 2014 Wow Matti, they look fantastic, the hours spent have not been wasted, well done mate. Have you had any more thoughts on the deck mounted guns, are they anything like carronades, whichever it's going to be really interesting. Good luck with the rigging of these little beauts. Be Good mobbsie NAZGÛL 1 Quote mobbsie All mistakes are deliberate ( me ) Current Build:- HMS Schooner Pickle Completed Builds :- Panart 1/16 Armed Launch / Pinnace ( Completed ), Granado Cross Section 1/48 Harwich Bawley, Restoration, Thames Barge Edme, Repair / Restoration, Will Everard 1/67 Billings HMS Agamemnon 1781 - 1/64 Caldercraft Kit, HM Brig Badger, HM Bomb Vessel Granado, Thames Steam Launch Louise, Thames Barge Edme, Viking Dragon Boat Next Build :- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NMBROOK Posted February 16, 2014 Share #777 Posted February 16, 2014 Fabulous work mate!!!I agree a cautious approach re the rigging of these is the best.You have marvelous scale fidelity there and that is all too easy to spoil with oversize rigging. Kind Regards Nigel NAZGÛL 1 Quote Currently working on Royal Caroline Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NAZGÛL Posted February 16, 2014 Author Share #778 Posted February 16, 2014 Wow Matti, they look fantastic, the hours spent have not been wasted, well done mate. Have you had any more thoughts on the deck mounted guns, are they anything like carronades, whichever it's going to be really interesting. Good luck with the rigging of these little beauts. Be Good mobbsie Thanks mobbsie, most appreciated! Do you mean cannons for the upper deck, if so these are the ones. Vasa had a mixed bag of howitzers and culverins. On the quarter deck there were also two falconets, one of them had no carriage and was strapped to the deck. Vasa was prepared for four swivel guns at the four round holes below the stern windows, but these where not delivered or mounted when she sank. Nigel, cheers mate! Yeah I think a simplified rigging hopefully will keep the sense of scale. /Matti NMBROOK 1 Quote Billing Boats Vasa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maggsl_01 Posted February 16, 2014 Share #779 Posted February 16, 2014 Hi Matti congratulations for the cannons... how much are there to be done? Looks fine and so realistic - you can almost hear the "Boooooooomm!" All the best for you and your Wasa Cheerio Max Quote Next: Friedrich Wilhelm zu Pferde by Euro Model 1:47 Finished: Half Moon Corel; HMY Royal Caroline Panart; HMB Endeavour Occre 1:54; Fregatte Berlin, Corel, 1:40 A life without dogs is possible... but worth to live? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NAZGÛL Posted February 16, 2014 Author Share #780 Posted February 16, 2014 Cheers! These 16 is for the upper deck and except some detail work for the falconet that will be tied to the deck I'm ready to start mounting them. I'm still planning for the cannons for the gundecks. /Matti Quote Billing Boats Vasa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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