Nirvana Posted October 12, 2014 Share #31 Posted October 12, 2014 I don't want to put another log into the fire but I think Michael is right, just attaching this little site of an artist using cedar. I was amazed! Bill Hime, flying_dutchman2 and druxey 3 Quote Please, visit our Facebook page! Respectfully Per aka Dr. Per@Therapy for Shipaholics Finished: T37, BB Marie Jeanne - located on a shelf in Sweden, 18th Century Longboat, Winchelsea Capstan Current: America by Constructo, Solö Ruff, USS Syren by MS, Bluenose by MS Viking funeral: Harley almost a Harvey Nautical Research Guild Member - 'Taint a hobby if you gotta hurry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael mott Posted October 12, 2014 Share #32 Posted October 12, 2014 Dr. Per, Thank you for posting that artists information those truly demonstrate the human ability to share the joy of the universe, using a beautiful material of nature. Michael Quote Current builds Bristol Pilot Cutter 1:8; Skipjack 19 foot Launch 1:8; Herreshoff Buzzards Bay 14 1:8 Other projects Pilot Cutter 1:500 ; Maria, 1:2 Now just a memory Future model Gill Smith Catboat Pauline 1:8 Finished projects A Bassett Lowke steamship Albertic 1:100 Anything you can imagine is possible, when you put your mind to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wq3296 Posted October 13, 2014 Share #33 Posted October 13, 2014 Greetings Matt, If it is truly western red cedar, it seems that it may not be useful for most modeling purposes. Hear in New England we use western red for shingles, usually on exterior walls, but it is also used for roof shingles. I smoke cigars, and many of the cigar boxes are made of Spanish cedar. Some smokes even come wrapped in very thin Spanish cedar. If you lay hands on this stuff, it is great for laminating over plywood edges or other woods you want to hide. Good stuff. On the other hand, I built a cedar closet with pre finished cedar boards. This wood had a really smooth finish, and it was basically red with white bands through out. This cedar may be usable for rough model work. Let's not forget that wooden arrow shafts were red cedar, as are common pencils - both having nice painted finishes. I guess you could mill some up and see how it finishes. Worst case, you could at least make some fine spars. wq3296 avsjerome2003 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reklein Posted October 13, 2014 Share #34 Posted October 13, 2014 (edited) Heres my red cedar half model canoe on an Alaska cedar back. The canoe is about 4 feet long. Sorry about the poor pic. BILL in Idaho Edited October 13, 2014 by reklein avsjerome2003 and flying_dutchman2 2 Quote Bill, in Idaho Completed Mamoli Halifax and Billings Viking ship in 2015 Next Model Shipways Syren Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flying_dutchman2 Posted October 15, 2014 Share #35 Posted October 15, 2014 From a Forestry/Botanical point of view.. (quoted from several of my Taxonomy books) Cedar is found in most parts of the world. It is a coniferous tree and is part of the pine family. They grow rapidly when exposed to direct sunlight. Cedar trees are used as decorative or ornamental purposes while landscaping Benefits Of Cedar The major uses of cedar tree are from its bark and oil. The bark of the cedar tree produces scented wood, known as cedar wood. Cedar oil is extracted from the cedar wood. The wood is used for the following: - It is resistant to decay and hence is suitable to build outdoor furniture. - It produces aesthetically beautiful furniture. - It is easy to work with as it is lightweight and doesn’t crack or split easily. - It is highly durable. - It can absorb sound effectively, so are used in building ceiling shingles. - It is a good insulator; hence, when a home is built using cedar wood, it helps keep the home warm in winter and cool in summer. - Though its color fades after a while, it can easily be restored. - It doesn’t spread fire easily hence it is suited for building purposes. - It is a natural anti-termite, which is it prevents furniture form rotting. - Due to its lightweight and strength, western red cedar is used to make guitars. Uses Of Cedar Tree Types Each Cedar species has its own distinct features that serve a lot of purposes. - Northern white cedar is used for building canoes and fences. - Australian red cedar is most valuable of all cedar since it used in building ships. Did not say if it was for life size ships or model ships. - California incense cedar is used for making pencils. - Eastern red cedar is also used for fence-building. - Japanese cedar is used for building houses. - Spanish cedar is used on clothing for its fragrance and insect repelling quality. The oil is used for the following: - It is used as an insect repellent. - In ancient times, it was used to preserve dead bodies. - It is used as incense in temples. - It is used as aromatic oil, because its woody odor works as a sedative and effectively treats stress and anxiety in people. - Due to its aroma, it is used as an ingredient in perfumes. - It is used for preservation of spices. - It is used as an antibacterial. - Its health benefits include effectively treating respiratory infections. - It is beneficial to hair, as it helps eliminate dandruff and protects the hair against hair fall and graying. - It also effectively treats skin infections such as acne. - It is also used in treating arthritis, especially rheumatoid. - It is also used for its antiseptic property. Thank you for reading. Marc michael mott, mtaylor, mrjimmy and 2 others 5 Quote Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better" Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wq3296 Posted October 15, 2014 Share #36 Posted October 15, 2014 Greetings Marcus, You forgot to mention that Spanish cedar is used to make cigar boxes, humidors, and cigar wrappers. Otherwise, good work. wq3296 flying_dutchman2 and mtaylor 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaager Posted October 18, 2014 Share #37 Posted October 18, 2014 Aromatic Cedar (Juniperus virginiana) (Red Cedar, Eastern Red Cedar, Juniper) does not seem to have suitable properties for our use. Alaska Yellow Cedar (Chamaecyparis nootkatensis) on the other hand looks to be an excellent choice for our uses. Quote NRG member 45 years Current: HMS Centurion 1732 - 60-gun 4th rate - Navall Timber framing HMS Beagle 1831 refiit 10-gun brig with a small mizzen - Navall (ish) Timber framing The U.S. Ex. Ex. 1838-1842 Flying Fish 1838 pilot schooner - framed - ready for stern timbers Porpose II 1836 brigantine/brig - framed - ready for hawse and stern timbers Vincennes 1825 Sloop-of-War - timbers assembled, need shaping Peacock 1828 Sloop-of -War - timbers ready for assembly Sea Gull 1838 pilot schooner - timbers ready for assembly Relief 1835 ship - timbers ready for assembly Other Portsmouth 1843 Sloop-of-War - timbers ready for assembly Le Commerce de Marseilles 1788 118 cannons - framed La Renommee 1744 Frigate - framed - ready for hawse and stern timbers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flying_dutchman2 Posted October 20, 2014 Share #38 Posted October 20, 2014 Thanks for the information about Spanish cedar. My biggest pet peeve about Common names is that they make NO sense. Who ever comes up with some of them needs to have there head examined. Furthermore, they are so local. For some strange reason the common name of Juniperus virginiana is Eastern Redcedar with all other species known as juniperus. The wood of the tree species is used for furniture (cedar chests). In the Chamaecyparis family there is: Chamaecyparis nootkatensis (Alaska Yellow Cedar) Chamaecyparis thyroids (Atlantic Whitecedar or Whitecedar False cypress Chamaecyparis lawsoniana (Port Orford Cedar or Oregon cedar or Lawson Falsecypress) When people ask me about some species in English I go through my "brain" hard drive and come up with all sorts of species. Then I describe them and see what the person thinks it is. Bottom line...... I hate common names........ but it is necessary. Marc mrjimmy 1 Quote Current Built: Zeehaen 1639, Dutch Fluit from Dutch explorer Abel J. Tasman Unofficial motto of the VOC: "God is good, but trade is better" Many people believe that Captain J. Cook discovered Australia in 1770. They tend to forget that Dutch mariner Willem Janszoon landed on Australia’s northern coast in 1606. Cook never even sighted the coast of Western Australia). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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