Glory of the Seas 1869 by Vladimir_Wairoa - FINISHED - 1:72 - medium clipper

[Vladimir_Wairoa]

5 minutes ago, ClipperFan said:

Vladimir, I really hate to say this because you're doing such a beautiful job recreating my drawing but you might was to pause on this section.

Mike just shared his front fascia reconstruction and it differs from mine in the interpretation of the area in the dark that I couldn't see. His drawing also includes an area I missed, which is the end piece for the fancy scrollwork on each end. As soon as I get a chance, I'll take a pic of the pdf file and share it with you.

oh no hahaha ....

 

well ok i stop now. anxiously waiting. V. 

[rwiederrich]

7 minutes ago, ClipperFan said:

Vladimir, I really hate to say this because you're doing such a beautiful job recreating my drawing but you might was to pause on this section.

Mike just shared his front fascia reconstruction and it differs from mine in the interpretation of the area in the dark that I couldn't see. His drawing also includes an area I missed, which is the end piece for the fancy scrollwork on each end. As soon as I get a chance, I'll take a pic of the pdf file and share it with you.

Yes, I saw that too....I also saw that some time ago in my own research...probably because I've seen some details of the cabin face before and there is actually round pieces with ornate roman caps on them.

 

Rob

[rwiederrich]

10 minutes ago, ClipperFan said:

I'll take a pic of the pdf file and share it with you.

When you asked me about that image, I tried to get you a copy, but I could not translate the PDF file to an image so I could send it to you.

 

Glad you have it now.  Mike has done some great work.  And like I said before...I've somehow seen this image before and another showing there is some rounded posts with ornate roman style caps on them.     Where is another matter.

 

Rob

[Vladimir_Wairoa]

1 hour ago, rwiederrich said:

Wonderful indeed Vlad...just wonderful.  there is so much paneling that you really have to pay attention.  Not to mention the tiny work involved.

My facing will be about half that size....I'm tackling all the inner paneling issues first...corners around windows....under eaves...stuff like that.

 

And i have to ask myself...*How detailed do i need to go..since most of that detail will be lost once the mast, yards and rigging block any real view of it....not to mention the boat skid (With boats on it) and gang that will be directly over and in front of it.🤥

 

In smaller scales(even larger ones at times), some details can truly be forgone because there is just no way anyone will truly enjoy that detail because it is basically inaccessible.

 

What hill is one willing to die on.......

 

Sometimes some items are very difficult to scale properly...either because surrounding items force it out of scale because of their own issues, or because construction wasn't exact and slight alterations are necessary to make the entire piece work.

 

Good job Vlad

 

Rob

Thanks much Rob. Personally myself, i would see no point doing this painful slog. . i would paint it for the most part to mimic ooutlines thats it. as you say, in overall rigging perspective, its different visual approach.

 to go for. I do it with aim of no masting at all... to get those cabins as highlight...

 

 

and i am surprised i learnt so much sicne 1:24 cutty. i struggled back then and did slopps work on such huge scale, im amazed shat is possible with 1:72 on clipper - though i work with boxwood leftovers from winnie now which i part of the reason. 

asking for opinion. should i paint it? i would like to leave soemrhing wooden on the boat and this seems to me quite valuabl assertion....

ive been thinkg  lately....

i kind of regret i did paint all interior deck bulwarks not leaving a piece wooden....as it is primaroly wooden boat...

 

than i ddi regret a bit that i painted hull fully in blac knot left a piece of wood natural  

 

than i did regret for a minute that i cant leave even bottom wooden as it is not worked out such  neatly it is supposed t obe coppered  

 

so im getting elft of space for wood....on the other side...if once i opted for paint - that paerly white cabin could look proper nice - even rails are painted...oh i can make another rail with natural wood at least....

 

its hard with me :)) well at least deck planking  will be wooden...hooray 

[rwiederrich]

Vlad...you have to follow your own desire for your model...don't let us or anyone suggest what you should do or not do...or what you should redo

 

It's a model for goodness sake. and that is an artistic expression venue.  Paint if you want...leave it wood or copper or whatever.

 

When all is said and done only you will have to look at it while the rest of us will never see it again.

 

Rob

[ClipperFan]

Vladimir, as promised here's Michael Mjelde's 1978 reproduction of the front facia of Glory's Carriage House. I asked him to supply any photos he had to determine this design and will let you know what, if anything he sends me. As I mentioned the area he completes up by the roof was in complete shadow so I couldn't see such details. I also did my best estimate for the outermost wall sections but forgot about the fancy scrollwork endpiece. The complex molding work I illustrated is still definitely accurate.

[ClipperFan]

Another observation. Mike shows doors on hinges. The photo appears to show sliding doors. Where he illustrates apparently outward projecting slim balustrades in reality are insets instead, again verified by the photos. That's another area where my illustration differs from Mike's. In this case, since these insets can clearly be seen by cast shadows, I feel confident that they are correct. Insets allow for sliding doors while balustrades, even thin ones don't.

[rwiederrich]

1 hour ago, ClipperFan said:

Another observation. Mike shows doors on hinges. The photo appears to show sliding doors. Where he illustrates apparently outward projecting slim balustrades in reality are insets instead, again verified by the photos. That's another area where my illustration differs from Mike's. In this case, since these insets can clearly be seen by cast shadows, I feel confident that they are correct. Insets allow for sliding doors while balustrades, even thin ones don't.

Thanks for reproducing the drawing Mike did Rich.  That is the one I saw some years ago.  It was nice to see it again, since I don't recall how or when I saw it before.     I agree...I think the doors are sliders...but the door knobs throw me off.  If the doors were as normal doors the outside knob is correct and it would be on the left as it is in the photo if it was swung open.   If the doors were sliders...there would be no need of a knob on the doors left side on the outside of the door.  It's a mystery...cuz I'm missing something...somewhere.

 

Rob

[Vladimir_Wairoa]

Real Nice , so IT looks like some antique Columns, i Will try to apply those into IT. V. 

[Vladimir_Wairoa]

Finally All Mess is Hidden in Cargo space  

 

 

[ClipperFan]

3 hours ago, rwiederrich said:

Thanks for reproducing the drawing Mike did Rich.  That is the one I saw some years ago.  It was nice to see it again, since I don't recall how or when I saw it before.     I agree...I think the doors are sliders...but the door knobs throw me off.  If the doors were as normal doors the outside knob is correct and it would be on the left as it is in the photo if it was swung open.   If the doors were sliders...there would be no need of a knob on the doors left side on the outside of the door.  It's a mystery...cuz I'm missing something...somewhere.

 

Rob

Rob, since I've actually held round glass knobs and slid enormous, heavy, engraved oak doors, tried to swing them on hinges only to realize they were hanging sliders, it's no big deal to me. If you think about it, having knobs on sliding doors makes sense as it would give sailors something to grab in the dark on night. Trying to find an indented slot instead would be more difficult. 

Where my reconstruction differs from Mike's is that what he illustrated as tall narrow pillars are actually recessed elements across the entire facade, of that I'm sure.

[ClipperFan]

4 hours ago, Vladimir_Wairoa said:

Finally All Mess is Hidden in Cargo space  

 

 

Vladimir your deck work is simply beautiful. Your family must be amazed at the progress you've made on this project. I love the overhead view of your model, the hull form is just lovely and looks even more impressive with decks "all buttoned up."

FYI I have great news about your intricately inlaid Carriage House front fascia! As it turns out, in his most recent email Michael Mjelde let me know that this beautifully molded front piece wasn't always painted, that in fact originally this was left natural varnished wood!

[rwiederrich]

Glad……that looks wonderful. 
Clean and precise 

Great job 

 

Rob

[Vladimir_Wairoa]

20 hours ago, rwiederrich said:

Glad……that looks wonderful. 
Clean and precise 

Great job 

 

Rob

Thanks Rob. 

[Vladimir_Wairoa]

windows proces plus first Columns. 

 

 

 

[Vladimir_Wairoa]

After long journey Carriagehouse face IS completed and varnished. Its still long way to finish house in entirety.. Inner Windows Will be added later as IT serves oné unwanted purpose yet. Collecting dust. 

Thanks for viewing etc...All appreciated. 

V. 

 

I took various saturated and desaturated pics of IT. 

 

 

 

[ClipperFan]

Vladimir that is stunning! Congratulations. I'm currently working on the rear Wheelhouse. I've almost completed the rear face and have a good amount of the side done too. Pics will follow.

[Vladimir_Wairoa]

12 hours ago, ClipperFan said:

Vladimir that is stunning! Congratulations. I'm currently working on the rear Wheelhouse. I've almost completed the rear face and have a good amount of the side done too. Pics will follow.

Thank you Rich. i already started base for main deck cabin as well :)) but it will take quite a time to finish poop cabin...quite a race  i prefer to conplete all cabins first and making all roofs after so its one type of work in a batch  

looking fwd to see the sketches indeed. 

V. 

[rwiederrich]

Super inlay work in that minute scale Vlad.  I'm still tackling my approach to the forward cabin woodwork myself.

 

One observation...   Is not the forward molding of the cabin symmetrical on the prototype?

 

Upon greater observation it appears you inadvertently failed to replicate the outer paneling from the left to the right.

 

Look closely and you will see the vertical darker panel on the outer blocking on the right side does not go down to the bottom of the house face, as it does on the left side(facing aft), throwing off the symmetry of the molding.

 

I don't mean to be critical at this point...but it would be a shame if you got beyond the point of correction.

 

I also notice you changed your design from 4 panels to 2 on the outer panel block...the one in question.  Any particular reason for that change...other than you moved from Rich's drawing to Mike's?

 

Otherwise...very nice miniature carpentry.

 

Rob

Edited September 13, 2021 by rwiederrich

[ClipperFan]

12 hours ago, rwiederrich said:

Super inlay work in that minute scale Vlad.  I'm still tackling my approach to the forward cabin woodwork myself.

 

One observation...   Is not the forward molding of the cabin symmetrical on the prototype?

 

Upon greater observation it appears you inadvertently failed to replicate the outer paneling from the left to the right.

 

Look closely and you will see the vertical darker panel on the outer blocking on the right side does not go down to the bottom of the house face, as it does on the left side(facing aft), throwing off the symmetry of the molding.

 

I don't mean to be critical at this point...but it would be a shame if you got beyond the point of correction.

 

I also notice you changed your design from 4 panels to 2 on the outer panel block...the one in question.  Any particular reason for that change...other than you moved from Rich's drawing to Mike's?

 

Otherwise...very nice miniature carpentry.

 

Rob

Rob, Vladimir, as promised, Mike shared some additional pics of the front fascia of Glory's Rear Carriage House. I mentioned before that I made some errors in my reconstruction sketch. Without the ability to see better into the shadows, my upper level just below the roof was conjectural. Mike's drawing as far as that section is concerned is more accurate as he had better knowledge. Meanwhile, I also didn't account for space to incorporate the two outer fancy brackets under the roof overhang. Had I done that, there would only have been one outer rectangle instead of two. Again Mike's sketch is right. 

Where it looks like Mike has interpreted the fascia wrong is where he has projecting pillars, mine has recesses. That's where I feel my sketch is more accurate.

[Vladimir_Wairoa]

On 9/13/2021 at 2:37 PM, rwiederrich said:

Super inlay work in that minute scale Vlad.  I'm still tackling my approach to the forward cabin woodwork myself.

 

One observation...   Is not the forward molding of the cabin symmetrical on the prototype?

 

Upon greater observation it appears you inadvertently failed to replicate the outer paneling from the left to the right.

 

Look closely and you will see the vertical darker panel on the outer blocking on the right side does not go down to the bottom of the house face, as it does on the left side(facing aft), throwing off the symmetry of the molding.

 

I don't mean to be critical at this point...but it would be a shame if you got beyond the point of correction.

 

I also notice you changed your design from 4 panels to 2 on the outer panel block...the one in question.  Any particular reason for that change...other than you moved from Rich's drawing to Mike's?

 

Otherwise...very nice miniature carpentry.

 

Rob

Thanks Rob, appreciated comments, i think i know what you mean i Will try to align that Curve if i am able to. I see now its quite not perfectly rounded as bottom on various places Its zig zaggy  bit .. To be frank, im so done with It sometimes when i try to better things i Will utterly destroy them so...i .pillars or not. I suppose i ran out of Wood thats why last paneling IS not even color wide I think its recessed with antique pillars ornamental at the very top. Its kind of  visible on new photos from Mike. 

 

I Will add  how face would look like in the Boat itself...not glued yet.... i attached Dark Wood platform and  front faced steps at the poop corners... almost gilded  step that IS very Massive - so clearly visible on cannery restoration photo in the left...of course stairs would cover that....rounding that piece of wallnut was tough...

 

 

 

 

 

Edited September 14, 2021 by Vladimir_Wairoa
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[Vladimir_Wairoa]

Thanks for like @GrandpaPhil

[rwiederrich]

Wow.    Great work Vlad.  Just super!

 

Rob

[Vladimir_Wairoa]

18 hours ago, rwiederrich said:

Wow.    Great work Vlad.  Just super!

 

Rob

Thanks Rob. little rest these days, before i get back to her. noticed fantastic skylight detail photo. good luck.V. 

[rwiederrich]

1 hour ago, Vladimir_Wairoa said:

Thanks Rob. little rest these days, before i get back to her. noticed fantastic skylight detail photo. good luck.V. 

Yeah....my goal(when I get there), is to replicate those skylights as close as possible.  Rest is good, but my rest is making my wife a unilateral Removable partial denture to replace a tooth she had extracted.  I hope to get that done tonight so I can resume my work on the carriage/helm house.

 

Rob

[ClipperFan]

18 hours ago, rwiederrich said:

Yeah....my goal(when I get there), is to replicate those skylights as close as possible.  Rest is good, but my rest is making my wife a unilateral Removable partial denture to replace a tooth she had extracted.  I hope to get that done tonight so I can resume my work on the carriage/helm house.

 

Rob

Rob, I hope your wife didn't suffer too much from the extraction. That can be tough. It's quite fortunate that your dentistry skills will supply her the partial denture. Besides saving your family money, it will get her teeth restored more quickly. We're having to save up thousands for my poor wife Peggy in order to cover similar replacements. Meanwhile she just recently had to have a tooth re repaired that had been previously treated. Her jew's so out of alignment that it's hard for her to chew. Since my cancer surgery recovery was her whole focus, she's been hiding from me how badly she's been suffering. Now that I know, I'm pushing to speed up her timeline to get the work done. I told her we'll figure out how to pay for it.

In comparison, I've got to believe that constructing skylights will be a piece of cake....

 

[ClipperFan]

On 9/14/2021 at 6:03 PM, rwiederrich said:

Wow.    Great work Vlad.  Just super!

 

Rob

Vladimir so often I sound like Rob's echo. I agree, fantastic work on that tough to work but beautiful walnut.

[ClipperFan]

Vladimir,

I already shared these on Rob's blog. I took additional pictures and felt these might be a little sharper. The Bow scene has just a little more of the ship which I edited to get the image more balanced. This is actually more true to how Mike sent them to me. I noticed a little child standing between the Captain and his wife on the Rear House deck which I never noticed before.

[rwiederrich]

19 minutes ago, ClipperFan said:

Rob, I hope your wife didn't suffer too much from the extraction. That can be tough. It's quite fortunate that your dentistry skills will supply her the partial denture. Besides saving your family money, it will get her teeth restored more quickly. We're having to save up thousands for my poor wife Peggy in order to cover similar replacements. Meanwhile she just recently had to have a tooth re repaired that had been previously treated. Her jew's so out of alignment that it's hard for her to chew. Since my cancer surgery recovery was her whole focus, she's been hiding from me how badly she's been suffering. Now that I know, I'm pushing to speed up her timeline to get the work done. I told her we'll figure out how to pay for it.

In comparison, I've got to believe that constructing skylights will be a piece of cake....

 

I have to say...my chick is tough...she just trudges along.  Dental issues can bring the toughest herculean man to his knees.  I hope your wife finds relief and  a long term corrective plan.  Short term if that is all that is available will do....I'm sure.

 

The older we get the more stuff falls off or breaks.....sheesh.....   Good thing I have an eternal security plan....

 I finished up and delivered my wife's  Unilateral RPD and now I can focus on Glory for a bit......

 

Rob

[ClipperFan]

1 hour ago, rwiederrich said:

I have to say...my chick is tough...she just trudges along.  Dental issues can bring the toughest herculean man to his knees.  I hope your wife finds relief and  a long term corrective plan.  Short term if that is all that is available will do....I'm sure.

 

The older we get the more stuff falls off or breaks.....sheesh.....   Good thing I have an eternal security plan....

 I finished up and delivered my wife's  Unilateral RPD and now I can focus on Glory for a bit......

 

Rob

Rob, the "weaker sex" indeed. That's a ton of malarkey. Anyone who's seen their wife go through childbirth knows the truth. Women are tough as nails. If men had to bear children... I fear the human race would have gone extinct and you know there would be Abortion Clinics on every corner like Starbucks! 😉

But I digress. I'm glad for your wife that her cure has been made for her.

Meanwhile, since nobody's interested in the 3 folks in this pic, I edited them out to focus entirely on the skylight.