Glory of the Seas 1869 by Vladimir_Wairoa - FINISHED - 1:72 - medium clipper

[Vladimir_Wairoa]

On 7/18/2021 at 11:52 PM, rwiederrich said:

Personally I plan on replicating the cargo ports and the wash ports via scribe.   They will not be open.  It’s easiest that way but still accurate.

Rob where those on both sides of the ship? I got assumption that only on starboard side...

[rwiederrich]

1 hour ago, Vladimir_Wairoa said:

Rob where those on both sides of the ship? I got assumption that only on starboard side...

Starboard and port.....my friend.

 

Rob

[Vladimir_Wairoa]

Bowsprit. 

 

I decided to make IT as its discussed atm so its convenient to hlave All infos ať hand and i would need IT secured firm before planking wales as i made knightheads foolishly fragile. 

Now i Made bowsprit quite complex. To achieve square boot out of knightheads and to fit in i Made IT out of two woods. Round and square Stuck into each other from some rubbish Wood i found around. I just say IT was pure fun what i like ať modeling the most. Inuendo of how to contruct things myself. I Made first a bit Bad around knightheads but second fit i  think. Its temporary as angle Will sa bit steeper. As center line suggest. Its maybe not that Elegant as Robs but when painted black i guess IT would suggest one piece of Wood. I tried some macro photos. You May note that planks touchijg  owsprit Will be offset back from planks below knightheads. Now i need to continue with bowsprit maybe. Maybe later who knows:)) any comment or remark welcomed. V. 

 

 

Edited July 20, 2021 by Vladimir_Wairoa
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[Vladimir_Wairoa]

Continue...tried to angle elegant curves on  cap...its a little smaller but i Will leave IT as such....brass bands Will go on top of cap and on bowsprit itself etc..

[rwiederrich]

Moving along nicely.....you know...you just gotta do what you gotta do.   Great application without a lathe....good move.

 

Rob

[Vladimir_Wairoa]

Continuation...well im not that good ať making miniatures. ..i just say its really challenging. ...herpes the outcome ....and bowsprit Has Been assembled and firmly fastened, wedge drew trhu and glued to knightheads.

 

 

Edited July 21, 2021 by Vladimir_Wairoa

[rwiederrich]

Super job Vlad  getting the banding done was wonderful...did you use brass or copper...or something else?

 Love the topmast stay sheave too.

 

Rob

[Vladimir_Wairoa]

12 minutes ago, rwiederrich said:

Super job Vlad  getting the banding done was wonderful...did you use brass or copper...or something else?

 Love the topmast stay sheave too.

 

Rob

Thanks Rob i burnished brass . Matt and glow IT gives IS unsurpassesld by anything I think.  Its almost as original and work with IT IS perfect as not losing color.  I Will redo sheaver cover i think as should be a tad  bit smaller and more precisely Made bent under angle not ať 90 degrees. Than i would be Happy. Now if planks come tomorrow party IS on

[ClipperFan]

Vladimir, gotta say I seriously dig those 70s 3D vibes I got from that wooden dowel coming right out of my phone! Far out, man, far out. Anyhow, all silliness aside, I just have to echo Rob, wow beautiful work on your Bowsprit. I love the look of your iron bands. An article I read about the 90s Constisution restoration showed how the metal bands were put on hot and then cold water would be poured on them to rapidly cool and permanently shrink them down for tighter fit.

Since you're not fully satisfied with your Bowsprit Bees, I figured I'd toss in my 2c to help (hopefully not annoy) you. If you look closely at the front and rear angle of the devices, which appear to be wooden to me, the edge isn't 90 degrees to itself but actually angled to be parallel with the Cap and Bands. Rob can correct me if I'm wrong but it appears other than sheeve holes, the rest is probably solid wood.

[Vladimir_Wairoa]

16 hours ago, ClipperFan said:

Vladimir, gotta say I seriously dig those 70s 3D vibes I got from that wooden dowel coming right out of my phone! Far out, man, far out. Anyhow, all silliness aside, I just have to echo Rob, wow beautiful work on your Bowsprit. I love the look of your iron bands. An article I read about the 90s Constisution restoration showed how the metal bands were put on hot and then cold water would be poured on them to rapidly cool and permanently shrink them down for tighter fit.

Since you're not fully satisfied with your Bowsprit Bees, I figured I'd toss in my 2c to help (hopefully not annoy) you. If you look closely at the front and rear angle of the devices, which appear to be wooden to me, the edge isn't 90 degrees to itself but actually angled to be parallel with the Cap and Bands. Rob can correct me if I'm wrong but it appears other than sheeve holes, the rest is probably solid wood.

Thanks Rich i didnt know its wooden. Will check into that. Yes, aplying hot  braces must hlave Been something ...V. 

[Vladimir_Wairoa]

...One thing i hate most is running out of glue when work goes seamlesvperfectly. :(( 

Its busy at Boston shipyard...:)) After instaloing plank line 1 oneust  Always check if planks run smoothly alongside...its so rewarding after year of preparations to se those elegantnt Lines rising from the ASH...

Thanks for looking in etc...

 

Edited July 22, 2021 by Vladimir_Wairoa
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[ClipperFan]

1 hour ago, Vladimir_Wairoa said:

Thanks Rich i didnt know its wooden. Will check into that. Yes, aplying hot  braces must hlave Been something ...V. 

Vladimir, look closely at the Bowsprit detail from the 1869 Glory on the Ways scene, notice the Bowsprit Bees appear solid? Then enlarge the 1911 close up of Glory & her lovely Figurehead at Seattle, at both ends of the Bee, you'll see carved molded ends, which are parallel to both the end Cap & iron bands. Since we know the  enter of the 7th iron band is 18" from the end Cap and distance from band 7 to 6 is 3', these Bees are around 5', since the distance is measured center to center. The inner end of the Bee is just beyond and parallel to the 6 band while the outer end abuts directly and parallel to the end Cap. 

The Old Ironsides scene looks very dramatic with lots of steam and what looks like some fire too. When I get a chance, I'll share a pic from the article.

[ClipperFan]

3 hours ago, Vladimir_Wairoa said:

...One thing i hate most is running out of glue when work goes seamlesvperfectly. :(( 

Its busy at Boston shipyard...:)) After instaloing plank line 1 oneust  Always check if planks run smoothly alongside...its so rewarding after year of preparations to se those elegantnt Lines rising from the ASH...

Thanks for looking in etc...

 

Vladimir, planking looks very nice, I love how Glory's beautiful lines are emerging from her bulkheads. From your glue supply situation, it sounds like you may need to invest in major bulk purchases! That or buy your own glue factory.

[rwiederrich]

Fantastic job Vlad.  She is taking form.  Now we’re cooking.    You’ll be caught up to me before I get back from North D.   

[rwiederrich]

3 minutes ago, ClipperFan said:

Vladimir, planking looks very nice, I love how Glory's beautiful lines are emerging from her bulkheads. From your glue supply situation, it sounds like you may need to invest in major bulk purchases! That or buy your own glue factory.

I hate when I run out of supplies during a crucial build

[Vladimir_Wairoa]

16 minutes ago, rwiederrich said:

I hate when I run out of supplies during a crucial build

thx Rob Rich - exactly! nothing pisses me more than this. i used almost each drop left and than i said few words not worth mentioning...now ordered 5 bottles!  but having rest till monday. so no popcorn till than.   so now i have wood but cant work . well its getting lovely weather so weekend will be swimming in nearby lake. i wish i made suxh progress Rob as I like idea we continue more less from same point as its useful when being discussed at one time...after i reach copper line i intend  to use wider planks to get speed.  have good weekend folks  

[Vladimir_Wairoa]

27 minutes ago, ClipperFan said:

Vladimir, planking looks very nice, I love how Glory's beautiful lines are emerging from her bulkheads. From your glue supply situation, it sounds like you may need to invest in major bulk purchases! That or buy your own glue factory.

Haha thanks much Rich. fingers crossed though. Well one day i guess i need to buy whole box of them  . V. 

[gak1965]

Looking great, particularly how smooth the planks are going on. Looks like your fairing was basically perfect!

 

Looking forward to the next installment!

 

George K

[Vladimir_Wairoa]

16 hours ago, gak1965 said:

Looking great, particularly how smooth the planks are going on. Looks like your fairing was basically perfect!

 

Looking forward to the next installment!

 

George K

Thanks George, frankly so far I am surprised myself in that regard, but its just tiny portion covered so far. fingers crossed  V. 

[Vladimir_Wairoa]

Continuation....

Now i would like to determine Cooper line...as i Will go Down with wider planks but i need to draw the plan first as if hlave to  taper at the bow a bit. I hope Cooper line would cover what IS done because im out of thin planks but plenty  glue at disposal hope you enjoy. Did some prelinary sanding on stern but i Will have to take a bit more as shloud be rounder i guess 

Thanks for any comment thought....V. 

 

 

Edited July 26, 2021 by Vladimir_Wairoa
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[ClipperFan]

1 hour ago, Vladimir_Wairoa said:

Continuation....

Now i would like to determine Cooper line...as i Will go Down with wider planks but i need to draw the plan first as if hlave to  taper at the bow a bit. I hope Cooper line would cover what IS done because im out of thin planks but plenty  glue at disposal hope you enjoy. Did some prelinary sanding on stern but i Will have to take a bit more as shloud be rounder i guess 

Thanks for any comment thought....V. 

 

 

Vladimir your planking is very beautiful. Your framing of her loading docks is very nice. I think having the open loading docks adds an extra dimension of authenticity to Glory's Hull. If you need help constructing the interior, I can sketch some of it for you. I'm particularly impressed with your run at the Counter which mimics the real vessel herself.

As to determining the height of her coppering, Glory was originally covered with yellow metal up to 22' from her Keel. I ran calculations. At 1:72nd scale, 22' becomes 3 5/8th". 

[Tigersteve]

Nice progress!

Steve

[Vladimir_Wairoa]

31 minutes ago, ClipperFan said:

Vladimir your planking is very beautiful. Your framing of her loading docks is very nice. I think having the open loading docks adds an extra dimension of authenticity to Glory's Hull. If you need help constructing the interior, I can sketch some of it for you. I'm particularly impressed with your run at the Counter which mimics the real vessel herself.

As to determining the height of her coppering, Glory was originally covered with yellow metal up to 22' from her Keel. I ran calculations. At 1:72nd scale, 22' becomes 3 5/8th". 

Thanks Rich as always. Im glad you like it so far. Many thanks for coppering calculation i will run pencil  line tomorrow. What do You mean by interior ? Deck profile or that opening interior? V. 

 

 

[Vladimir_Wairoa]

9 minutes ago, Tigersteve said:

Nice progress!

Steve

Thank you  Steve;) 

[ClipperFan]

19 minutes ago, Vladimir_Wairoa said:

Thanks Rich as always. Im glad you like it so far. Many thanks for coppering calculation i will run pencil  line tomorrow. What do You mean by interior ? Deck profile or that opening interior? V. 

 

 

Vladimir, you're welcome for the calculation. I figure after driving you nuts with all my other insistence on accuracy, you might just appreciate a helping hand, when I can. 

Figuring you're leaving the docks open leaves an opportunity to create an insert of sorts to give an impression of Glory's internal structure. For instance, each verticle rib is described as being exactly 28" center to center to the other. In the lower section they were 11" × 14" tapering to 10" × 12" towards the upper levels. More interestingly, each pair of ribs were cross trussed in between, corner to corner. The deck with these loading docks is described as having a hatch way 11' × 14' slightly larger than the main hatch way above which I believe was 10' × 12'. Of course, Hanging Knees would also need to be included as well as stanchions and upper deck beams. It wouldn't have to be too big. An insert could be built with hidden mirrors on both ends to create a greater sense of depth. Glory's criss-cross wooden beams were a unique construction alternative to iron lattice work or composite iron construction. It's just a thought to enliven this section of your Hull.

[Vladimir_Wairoa]

42 minutes ago, ClipperFan said:

Vladimir, you're welcome for the calculation. I figure after driving you nuts with all my other insistence on accuracy, you might just appreciate a helping hand, when I can. 

Figuring you're leaving the docks open leaves an opportunity to create an insert of sorts to give an impression of Glory's internal structure. For instance, each verticle rib is described as being exactly 28" center to center to the other. In the lower section they were 11" × 14" tapering to 10" × 12" towards the upper levels. More interestingly, each pair of ribs were cross trussed in between, corner to corner. The deck with these loading docks is described as having a hatch way 11' × 14' slightly larger than the main hatch way above which I believe was 10' × 12'. Of course, Hanging Knees would also need to be included as well as stanchions and upper deck beams. It wouldn't have to be too big. An insert could be built with hidden mirrors on both ends to create a greater sense of depth. Glory's criss-cross wooden beams were a unique construction alternative to iron lattice work or composite iron construction. It's just a thought to enliven this section of your Hull.

Oh well, Rich, understood. im afraid nothing of this sort really. In reality the opening is so small there is no point making effort to recreating these structrural parts for me at least. if i had wanted id have prepared bigger opening in planking to alow ribs etc...I will focus on continuing planking. also if you can see there are just big chunks of wood under planks suporting bulkheads so there is no space really. i would say  one cannot have everything. This time of building i decided i will focus on utmost detailing of outer boat. speaking of laser cut decorations moldings, stanchions and houses with decoratinos as close  as possible. hope that makes sense V. 

[ClipperFan]

Vladimir, I don't know if you recall seeing this before from the article I shared a few months ago. It's Michael Mjelde's "GLORY of the SEAS" - Medium Clipper Ship' article in Jan/Feb 1992 Vol III, No 1 SEAWAYS Ships in Scale publication. This actual internal image is of Glory's deck (my estimation is it's most likely deck 2 just below the main upper deck).

A correction by the way. Main hatchway is 12' x 10' and the lower one is 14' x 12'. There are sufficient details about 16" sq waterways, 16" beams, stanchions, etc to do a very credible job, should you wish. Otherwise I won't bother you with any more minutiae.

[ClipperFan]

1 minute ago, Vladimir_Wairoa said:

Oh well, Rich, understood. im afraid nothing of this sort really. In reality the opening is so small there is no point making effort to recreating these structrural parts for me at least. if i had wanted id have prepared bigger opening in planking to alow ribs etc...I will focus on continuing planking. also if you can see there are just big chunks of wood under planks suporting bulkheads so there is no space really. i would say  one cannot have everything. This time of building i decided i will focus on utmost detailing of outer boat. speaking of laser cut decorations moldings, stanchions and houses with decoratinos as close  as possible. hope that makes sense V. 

Vladimir, it's your project not mine. You're correct that the opening is tiny. I just get carried away sometimes. I know, I should build my own version some day instead of bothering you guys.

[Vladimir_Wairoa]

27 minutes ago, ClipperFan said:

Vladimir, it's your project not mine. You're correct that the opening is tiny. I just get carried away sometimes. I know, I should build my own version some day instead of bothering you guys.

Its not bothering at All Rich. Its helpful  in many respects and i am Thankful for that! What do You think of stern look atm? 

Edited July 26, 2021 by Vladimir_Wairoa
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3 hours ago, Vladimir_Wairoa said:

Its not bothering at All Rich. Its helpful  in many respects and i am Thankful for that! What do You think of stern look atm? 

Vladimir, your Stern looks quite impressive, especially how you've run the planks up so snugly, very accurate to Glory's Stern herself. By the way, I'm curious to hear your feedback of the new 1:72nd scale ship's lines which I just shared on Rob's site.