cookster Posted October 1, 2013 Author Share #91 Posted October 1, 2013 OK, I think you're asking a couple different things... "why put a wipe on poly on before painting" In my case I'm painting over the black dye. I don't think the paint directly on top of the dye is a good idea, so I will cover the dye with wipe on poly, then paint the white stripe. I can also sand between coats of poly and really get things smooth. The white paint at that point would be the last step - finish wise. It does remain to be seen however how the white will cover over the black. I'm hoping for the best, but expecting the worse. I'm thinking ahead to painting the outside of my Constitution cross section and was planning on just priming the wood before painting, probably acrylic paint, many coats Yes, this is the method many others, including Chuck, uses. I just don't have the patience to put on 20 water thin coats of paint. I've painted cars and finished furniture off and on for 30 yrs and and i can't wrap my head around that method - although I do understand it. The purpose of putting the poly on before the paint would be to seal the wood, and sand between coats to get things good and smooth. Basswood is very soft and will soak up a lot of paint, or any finish for that matter. Primer would probably work, although depending on what type of primer you might need to thin it down a lot to keep from burying all the fine details under thick primer. And don't forget to sand between coats. Good luck and hope I answered your questions! Quote Wes Cook Current Build: USF Constitution (Model Shipways) USF Essex (Scratch build) MS Syren (build log lost, need to rebuild) Future Builds: MS Confederacy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Matson Posted October 1, 2013 Share #92 Posted October 1, 2013 hey Wes Looks like the dye will be a home run for you! It is always fun to see new ways to do things. Quote Geoff NRG member #2666Current build : USS Constitution Finished builds: Armed Virginia Sloop (in gallery) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyMech Posted October 1, 2013 Share #93 Posted October 1, 2013 Good luck and hope I answered your questions! Absolutely. Thanks for such a detailed response, I appreciate the information as well as the explanation. Much thanks, Andy. Quote Current Build: Model Shipways Pride of Baltimore II 1:64Completed build: Mamoli USS Constitution cross-section FINISHED 1:93 (2013 - 2014)Completed build: Revell USS Constitution FINISHED - PLASTIC 1:96 (2011-2013) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cookster Posted October 1, 2013 Author Share #94 Posted October 1, 2013 Thanks Geoff! No problem Andy! Quote Wes Cook Current Build: USF Constitution (Model Shipways) USF Essex (Scratch build) MS Syren (build log lost, need to rebuild) Future Builds: MS Confederacy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HIPEXEC Posted October 1, 2013 Share #95 Posted October 1, 2013 Your wood working is beautiful! Rich hipexec USS Constitution Quote Rich Rich USS Constitution by hipexec (Finished build) Virginia Pilot Boat 1805 (gallery - first build) USS Syren (USS Argus) by Hipexec Joshua Slocum's Spray by HIPEXEC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cookster Posted October 2, 2013 Author Share #96 Posted October 2, 2013 Thanks you Hipexec! Don't know if I'd go as far as beautiful but hey, I do appreciate it! Quote Wes Cook Current Build: USF Constitution (Model Shipways) USF Essex (Scratch build) MS Syren (build log lost, need to rebuild) Future Builds: MS Confederacy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mobbsie Posted October 4, 2013 Share #97 Posted October 4, 2013 Just checked in Wes and you've got some lovely work going on here. I cant believe your going to paint that great planking. Seems such a shame. following your build from now on mate. mobbsie Quote mobbsie All mistakes are deliberate ( me ) Current Build:- HMS Schooner Pickle Completed Builds :- Panart 1/16 Armed Launch / Pinnace ( Completed ), Granado Cross Section 1/48 Harwich Bawley, Restoration, Thames Barge Edme, Repair / Restoration, Will Everard 1/67 Billings HMS Agamemnon 1781 - 1/64 Caldercraft Kit, HM Brig Badger, HM Bomb Vessel Granado, Thames Steam Launch Louise, Thames Barge Edme, Viking Dragon Boat Next Build :- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cookster Posted October 4, 2013 Author Share #98 Posted October 4, 2013 Mobbsie, Conny wouldn't look right to me without the black hull. And it's basswood, not the prettiest wood with a clear finish. With my perfectionist nature I'd look at that natural basswood hull and never be happy.... I am going to plank the deck with boxwood i got from Jeff at Hobbymill, so THAT should be pretty with a clear finish! Thanks for checking in! Quote Wes Cook Current Build: USF Constitution (Model Shipways) USF Essex (Scratch build) MS Syren (build log lost, need to rebuild) Future Builds: MS Confederacy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
augie Posted October 4, 2013 Share #99 Posted October 4, 2013 Jeff at HobbyMill is spoiling us !!!! cookster 1 Quote Augie Current Build: US Frigate Confederacy - MS 1:64 Previous Builds : US Brig Syren (MS) - 2013 (see Completed Ship Gallery) Greek Tug Ulises (OcCre) - 2009 (see Completed Ship Gallery) Victory Cross Section (Corel) - 1988 Essex (MS) 1/8"- 1976 Cutty Sark (Revell 1:96) - 1956 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cookster Posted October 7, 2013 Author Share #100 Posted October 7, 2013 Hey, I'm a sub Lieutenant! Not much to report other that more planking. I finally got tired of it and decided to work on the deck, fitting masts etc. Thought I'd snap a couple pic while she's sitting in drydock on the bench. That odd bend at the first upper gunport is some kind of optical illusion, it doesn't actually look like that. fatih79 1 Quote Wes Cook Current Build: USF Constitution (Model Shipways) USF Essex (Scratch build) MS Syren (build log lost, need to rebuild) Future Builds: MS Confederacy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
augie Posted October 7, 2013 Share #101 Posted October 7, 2013 Really sweet all around, Wes. Quote Augie Current Build: US Frigate Confederacy - MS 1:64 Previous Builds : US Brig Syren (MS) - 2013 (see Completed Ship Gallery) Greek Tug Ulises (OcCre) - 2009 (see Completed Ship Gallery) Victory Cross Section (Corel) - 1988 Essex (MS) 1/8"- 1976 Cutty Sark (Revell 1:96) - 1956 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HIPEXEC Posted October 7, 2013 Share #102 Posted October 7, 2013 Your planks look excellent! My version has me planking before I mount the stem. I'm not sure how I can get that crisp look you have that way. Oh well, I'll figure it out. Rich USS Constitution hipexec Quote Rich Rich USS Constitution by hipexec (Finished build) Virginia Pilot Boat 1805 (gallery - first build) USS Syren (USS Argus) by Hipexec Joshua Slocum's Spray by HIPEXEC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cookster Posted October 7, 2013 Author Share #103 Posted October 7, 2013 Thanks Augie, your Confed is coming along quickly. I had visions of starting mine and trying to keep pace with you - but not now! Rich, not sure what to tell you about your stem. I do know mounting the stem first with the rabbet it creates makes a great way to insert the planks at the stem. The three models I have are all Model Shipways and all share that feature. Maybe some of our more experienced builders can chime in and help you on that one! Quote Wes Cook Current Build: USF Constitution (Model Shipways) USF Essex (Scratch build) MS Syren (build log lost, need to rebuild) Future Builds: MS Confederacy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capnharv2 Posted October 7, 2013 Share #104 Posted October 7, 2013 Wes, that's beautiful. It brings back memories when I was at that stage (only mine didn't look nearly as good). I think what Rich is referring to is that some manufacturers have you plank the hull to the false keel, then shape a flat on the planking to attach the exposed keel. The MS Connie has you attach the exposed keel to the false keel then cut the rabbet to accept the planking. Either way works (in my book). Hope that helps. Thanks, Harvey cookster 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patrickmil Posted October 7, 2013 Share #105 Posted October 7, 2013 Wes, you're Connie is looking sweet! Are you considering putting in any planking for the sub deck for looking down through the gratings? Quote Thanks, Patrick YouTube Channel for fun: Patrick's Scale Studio Finished: Model Shipways US Brig Niagara I Love Kit USS Curtis Wilbur DDG-54 Current: Trumpeter USS Yorktown CV-5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cookster Posted October 7, 2013 Author Share #106 Posted October 7, 2013 Patrick, that's a good question I hadn't considered. I think I'll lay the large mid ship grating in place and see if I can peer down into nothing, then decide. Thanks for pointing that out! Quote Wes Cook Current Build: USF Constitution (Model Shipways) USF Essex (Scratch build) MS Syren (build log lost, need to rebuild) Future Builds: MS Confederacy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rafine Posted October 8, 2013 Share #107 Posted October 8, 2013 The planking is looking really sweet, Wes. I couldn't agree with you more about painting basswood. When I want natural wood ,I use boxwood, pear or holly. Bob augie 1 Quote Current builds on MSW: HMS Winchelsea 1:48: Medway Longboat 1:24 Prior builds on MSW: Schooner Halifax: Lumberyard 1/48 semi-scratch; Cutter Cheerful 1:48; Granado: Caldercraft 1:64; Frigate Essex: Kitbashed Model Shipways kit; Triton Cross Section 1:48; Kingfisher from Lauckstreet kit; Syren: Model shipways kit ;Kitbashed Fair American: Model Shipways;Prince de Neufchatel: Model shipways 1:64 Civil War Picket Boat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Force9 Posted October 9, 2013 Share #108 Posted October 9, 2013 Your hull planking looks terrific... Following along with much interest! Evan Quote Current Builds: The White Star Liner TITANIC - Trumpeter 1/200 Old Ironsides - Revisiting the classic Revell 1/96 USS Constitution kit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pygothian Posted October 9, 2013 Share #109 Posted October 9, 2013 Wow! The planking is immaculate. Looks so precise and clean Quote Current Build - US Brig Syren - Model Shipways - 1:64 - 1st wood build Armed Virginia Sloop with complimentary 8x paint MS paint set - Model Shipways - Ordered 31st October 2013 Victory Cross Section - Corel - Ordered 15th October Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cookster Posted October 9, 2013 Author Share #110 Posted October 9, 2013 Wow, thanks guys! Bob, coming from you that means a lot! Evan, I've followed you Conny build and the detailed info you've provided. It's been very helpful. When I start work again on my 1812ish transom, your one of the guys I hope will like my approach. Pygo, thanks so much! Quote Wes Cook Current Build: USF Constitution (Model Shipways) USF Essex (Scratch build) MS Syren (build log lost, need to rebuild) Future Builds: MS Confederacy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cookster Posted October 9, 2013 Author Share #111 Posted October 9, 2013 (edited) With planking temporarily put on hold to save my sanity, I moved to deck furniture. Finally get to use some pear wood, very nice stuff!! This is the first hatch cover, they"re all built basically the same as far as methods... I cut the half lap joints with my 10" table saw. Overkill? Yes, but I don't have a Jim Saw yet and I do love my power tools.... Once the half laps were cut I cut each piece to length (a little long) with a hobby miter box. Then I assembled the boxes and trimmed the excess with a knife blade, and added the support pieces on the inside for the grate. I still have to attach the small trim piece on each side. Will post pics of that when finished. Edited October 9, 2013 by cookster fatih79 1 Quote Wes Cook Current Build: USF Constitution (Model Shipways) USF Essex (Scratch build) MS Syren (build log lost, need to rebuild) Future Builds: MS Confederacy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lambsbk Posted October 9, 2013 Share #112 Posted October 9, 2013 That pear wood is a beautiful color for the coamings and contrasts nicely with the hatches. Very nice work Wes. Quote Dave U.S.S. Constitution 1:96 Revell build with fiber optic lighting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
augie Posted October 10, 2013 Share #113 Posted October 10, 2013 Nice looking wood ..... and great work to boot. WELL DONE!!!! Quote Augie Current Build: US Frigate Confederacy - MS 1:64 Previous Builds : US Brig Syren (MS) - 2013 (see Completed Ship Gallery) Greek Tug Ulises (OcCre) - 2009 (see Completed Ship Gallery) Victory Cross Section (Corel) - 1988 Essex (MS) 1/8"- 1976 Cutty Sark (Revell 1:96) - 1956 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Matson Posted October 10, 2013 Share #114 Posted October 10, 2013 hello Wes The pear looks great. I wish I would have done it on mine. Keep up the great work. Quote Geoff NRG member #2666Current build : USS Constitution Finished builds: Armed Virginia Sloop (in gallery) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cookster Posted October 10, 2013 Author Share #115 Posted October 10, 2013 Thanks Augie and Geoff! Hardwood is definitely the way to go, and the swiss pear has a wonderful color. I never would've known about Jeff @ Hobbymill, or considered milling my own model ship lumber one day without MSW!! Thanks MSW!! Quote Wes Cook Current Build: USF Constitution (Model Shipways) USF Essex (Scratch build) MS Syren (build log lost, need to rebuild) Future Builds: MS Confederacy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cookster Posted October 10, 2013 Author Share #116 Posted October 10, 2013 OK, got the first coaming done. (thanks to Lambsbk for reminding me of my ship's terminology!) I was worried about making these little rascals but this one really weren't that bad! Anyway, I added the trim pieces ran long to come back and trim down later. Trimmed and dressed the edge. glued the rest on And finished it up. Laid down some boxwood planking to see how the finished install will look, and of course couldn't resist setting in it's future home... Now on to the rest of the coamings.... lambsbk, fatih79, gieb8688 and 1 other 4 Quote Wes Cook Current Build: USF Constitution (Model Shipways) USF Essex (Scratch build) MS Syren (build log lost, need to rebuild) Future Builds: MS Confederacy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HIPEXEC Posted October 10, 2013 Share #117 Posted October 10, 2013 I planked and varnished my below decks even though I'm not sure anyone will ever see them when they look down the grates. I asked that same question when my plans called for me to plank these hidden decks. I think it was Augie or Sjors who said, "You'll know they're planked even though you can't see them." Well, mine are done. It didn't take that long. Rich USS Constitution hipexec augie 1 Quote Rich Rich USS Constitution by hipexec (Finished build) Virginia Pilot Boat 1805 (gallery - first build) USS Syren (USS Argus) by Hipexec Joshua Slocum's Spray by HIPEXEC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
augie Posted October 10, 2013 Share #118 Posted October 10, 2013 OK Wes.......stop showing off. That is one beautiful coaming Quote Augie Current Build: US Frigate Confederacy - MS 1:64 Previous Builds : US Brig Syren (MS) - 2013 (see Completed Ship Gallery) Greek Tug Ulises (OcCre) - 2009 (see Completed Ship Gallery) Victory Cross Section (Corel) - 1988 Essex (MS) 1/8"- 1976 Cutty Sark (Revell 1:96) - 1956 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cookster Posted October 10, 2013 Author Share #119 Posted October 10, 2013 Thanks Augie! Can't think of a good comeback for the show off comment so I'll just leave it alone... Quote Wes Cook Current Build: USF Constitution (Model Shipways) USF Essex (Scratch build) MS Syren (build log lost, need to rebuild) Future Builds: MS Confederacy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patrickmil Posted October 11, 2013 Share #120 Posted October 11, 2013 Wes, the grating looks great. I think I will be getting some additional lumber when I get started on my Connie too. The pear and boxwood that you have looks fantastic. Quote Thanks, Patrick YouTube Channel for fun: Patrick's Scale Studio Finished: Model Shipways US Brig Niagara I Love Kit USS Curtis Wilbur DDG-54 Current: Trumpeter USS Yorktown CV-5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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