Lecrenb Posted February 1 Author #91 Posted February 1 On 1/29/2025 at 7:09 PM, hamilton said: Your work is excellent! I live about a 15 minute drive from the St Roch so if you ever need specific photos let me know! hamilton Thanks Hamilton... Actually there is a topic I have reached out to the museum curator about, unfortunately with no success so far... There has to be a sea chest or similar in the lower hull to provide cooling water for the engine, but my plans give no reference to this and neither do my photos. Not an urgent requirement, but if you're going to be visiting the museum can you please and thanks take a look at the lower hull for such an opening? Regards, Bruce FriedClams and Keith Black 2
Lecrenb Posted February 1 Author #92 Posted February 1 On 1/30/2025 at 11:46 AM, yvesvidal said: Argh.... that is always a delicate moment..... Yves LOL, yes indeed Yves... thanks for looking in! Keith Black and FriedClams 2
hamilton Posted February 1 #93 Posted February 1 6 minutes ago, Lecrenb said: Thanks Hamilton... Actually there is a topic I have reached out to the museum curator about, unfortunately with no success so far... There has to be a sea chest or similar in the lower hull to provide cooling water for the engine, but my plans give no reference to this and neither do my photos. Not an urgent requirement, but if you're going to be visiting the museum can you please and thanks take a look at the lower hull for such an opening? Regards, Bruce I'll be able to get there next weekend - do you know what the general location of the opening would be? The ship is dry docked in the museum and it's possible to go down into the well, so to say, and examine the lower hull - I'll take a look through the photos I already have and see if there's a likely candidate....I can PM you a couple of images to see if they're what you're looking for and if not, I can swing by next weekend hamilton FriedClams and Keith Black 2 current builds: Corel HMS Bellona (1780); Admiralty models Echo cross-section (semi-scratch) previous builds: MS Phantom (scuttled, 2017); MS Sultana (1767); Corel Brittany Sloop (scuttled, 2022); MS Kate Cory; MS Armed Virginia Sloop (in need of a refit); Corel Flattie; Mamoli Gretel; Amati Bluenose (1921) (scuttled, 2023); AL San Francisco (destroyed by land krakens [i.e., cats]); Corel Toulonnaise (1823); MS Glad Tidings (1937) (refit, 2024); HMS Blandford (1719) from Corel HMS Greyhound; Fair Rosamund (1832) from OcCre Dos Amigos (missing in action); Amati Hannah (ship in a bottle); Mamoli America (1851); Bluenose fishing schooner (1921) (scratch); Off-Centre Sailing Skiff (scratch) under the bench: MS Emma C Barry; MS USS Constitution; MS Flying Fish; Corel Berlin; a wood supplier Colonial Schooner Hannah; Victory Models H.M.S. Fly; CAF Models HMS Granado; MS USS Confederacy
hamilton Posted February 1 #94 Posted February 1 Quick PS - just looked through my stock of St Roch photos and I wasn't able to identify anything on the lower hull that would look like a scupper for the sea chest - but I will head down to the MM to have a look around hamilton Keith Black 1 current builds: Corel HMS Bellona (1780); Admiralty models Echo cross-section (semi-scratch) previous builds: MS Phantom (scuttled, 2017); MS Sultana (1767); Corel Brittany Sloop (scuttled, 2022); MS Kate Cory; MS Armed Virginia Sloop (in need of a refit); Corel Flattie; Mamoli Gretel; Amati Bluenose (1921) (scuttled, 2023); AL San Francisco (destroyed by land krakens [i.e., cats]); Corel Toulonnaise (1823); MS Glad Tidings (1937) (refit, 2024); HMS Blandford (1719) from Corel HMS Greyhound; Fair Rosamund (1832) from OcCre Dos Amigos (missing in action); Amati Hannah (ship in a bottle); Mamoli America (1851); Bluenose fishing schooner (1921) (scratch); Off-Centre Sailing Skiff (scratch) under the bench: MS Emma C Barry; MS USS Constitution; MS Flying Fish; Corel Berlin; a wood supplier Colonial Schooner Hannah; Victory Models H.M.S. Fly; CAF Models HMS Granado; MS USS Confederacy
Lecrenb Posted February 2 Author #95 Posted February 2 7 hours ago, hamilton said: I'll be able to get there next weekend - do you know what the general location of the opening would be? The ship is dry docked in the museum and it's possible to go down into the well, so to say, and examine the lower hull - I'll take a look through the photos I already have and see if there's a likely candidate....I can PM you a couple of images to see if they're what you're looking for and if not, I can swing by next weekend hamilton Hi Hamilton, Thank you very much for your kind offer! The cooling water inlet would be under the superstructure area, where the engine room is located. Probably around the curve of the bilge, no idea port or starboard, but definitely below the water line. I have been down there as well and never noticed anything, but it never crossed my mind back then to look for it! I will let the curator know you're coming, if they unearth anything they can let you know! Regards, Bruce
Lecrenb Posted February 2 Author #96 Posted February 2 7 hours ago, hamilton said: Quick PS - just looked through my stock of St Roch photos and I wasn't able to identify anything on the lower hull that would look like a scupper for the sea chest - but I will head down to the MM to have a look around hamilton Thanks very much!
Lecrenb Posted February 2 Author #97 Posted February 2 (edited) I'm now making the chain plates... there are a total of 14; 3 each side of each mast and two main mast preventer stay plates. They are made from simple steel bar stock that bolt flush to the hull, passing behind the rub rail and bolting below it. Turnbuckles that tension the standing rigging bolt to the top of each plate. I derived the lengths of each plate (they are not all the same) by scaling from drawings. The first picture shows the two sets for the foremast, complete with turnbuckle ends I made from solid core solder. I drilled a .020 hole through each assembly then pinned each shackle to its' plate with Grandt Line 1 1/2" scale bolts and washers... The turnbuckles that tension the rigging have fork ends that bolt to the plates, but detailing those while installing the rigging would be a recipe for disaster! I plan on modifying the turnbuckle ends to fit over my 'shackles', so they will look like forked ends. The plates are not straight up and down on the hull, they follow the line of the rigging. I temporarily set the mast and used thread to derive the correct line... in the picture the thread passes down the aft side of the mast to the rear chain plate. And here are the port fore chain plates installed using CA glue. Now to pin them into the hull, then do the other sets and move on to the rub rail, which is the last structural member of the hull! Regards, Bruce Edited February 2 by Lecrenb wefalck, Coyote_6, AON and 7 others 9 1
Lecrenb Posted February 4 Author #98 Posted February 4 On 2/1/2025 at 12:54 PM, hamilton said: I'll be able to get there next weekend - do you know what the general location of the opening would be? The ship is dry docked in the museum and it's possible to go down into the well, so to say, and examine the lower hull - I'll take a look through the photos I already have and see if there's a likely candidate....I can PM you a couple of images to see if they're what you're looking for and if not, I can swing by next weekend hamilton G'day Hamilton... I heard back from the Executive Director, David Jordan. If the visitor services staff is not too busy they are prepared to give you private access to St. Roch's engine room. You should be able to identify the water pump and associated lines that draw water in and discharge it overboard. Just tell them you are Hamilton and are looking for engine cooling details for Bruce LeCren, hopefully they will have time to let you in! Do you have a rough idea of when you might visit? Thanks and regards, Bruce Gabek, AON and Keith Black 2 1
Lecrenb Posted February 8 Author #99 Posted February 8 (edited) My rub rail is made from one single piece of lumber, scaled 4 x 8 inches, each side port and starboard, and a curved section across the stern... These rails fit over top of the chain plates and overlap the lower edges of the fo'c's'le portholes, so the first order of business is to take measurements back from the bow of the model, and notch the rails appropriately... The cutouts are where the portholes line up. The notches are for the foremast chains. Here it is being test fitted to the hull... Then the rail is steamed, bent, clamped to the hull to dry, and painted semi-gloss black. Yes, the main chains pass under the rub rail but over the poop deck wale... Here is the starboard rail glued and clamped in place... The cocktail toothpicks make sure the rail does not encroach over the scupper. The block assemblies transfer clamping pressure down onto the rail. Fingers crossed everything stays in place and I only have minimal cleanup to do tomorrow, then on to the port side! Of interest is this picture of St. Roch showing parts of the main chains. These were not removed when the main mast was taken out in 1944, presumably they were sawn off at the top of the rub rail because the shipwrights did not want to deal with the resulting exposed notches! As always, thanks for looking in and comments are welcome! Edited February 8 by Lecrenb MAGIC's Craig, hamilton, Keith Black and 11 others 14
AON Posted February 8 #100 Posted February 8 (edited) what is the flanged hole under the support just to the right of the centre of the last photo? Edited February 8 by AON druxey, FriedClams and Keith Black 3 Alan O'Neill "only dead fish go with the flow" Ongoing Build (31 Dec 2013) - HMS BELLEROPHON (1786), POF scratch build, scale 1:64, 74 gun 3rd rate Man of War, Arrogant Class Member of the Model Shipwrights of Niagara, Niagara Region, Ontario, Canada (2016), and the Nautical Research Guild (since 2014) Associate member of the Nautical Research and Model Ship Society (2021) Offshore member of The Society of Model Shipwrights (2021)
Lecrenb Posted February 8 Author #101 Posted February 8 2 hours ago, AON said: what is the flanged hole under the support just to the right of the centre of the last photo? Hi Alan... well spotted! That is the engine exhaust used by the original diesel. St. Roch did not get a funnel until the larger engine was installed in '44. FriedClams, Keith Black, AON and 1 other 4
druxey Posted February 8 #102 Posted February 8 Nice progress. The model is looking great, Bruce. FriedClams and Keith Black 2 Be sure to sign up for an epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series http://trafalgar.tv
Lecrenb Posted Tuesday at 09:07 PM Author #104 Posted Tuesday at 09:07 PM Got the port rub rail on, and started some fiddly bits... There are five fairleads that pass through St. Roch's bulwarks... since the flanges are visible on both sides I ordered 10 from Cornwall Model Boats. They are not the correct size so I used my small hobby vise and Zona saw to cut them down and glue them back together with CA... Here is one being test fit to the bow, again use Forstner or brad point bits for drilling clean holes! And here are the pair installed at the bow... How I proceeded to make the hawse... this should be the last of the hole drilling forward of the poop deck! I measured not twice, but three times, off the plans to locate the ends of each hawse pipe, double checking against photos and the model to ensure they are symmetrical on my hull... After drilling the holes straight into the hull I used my 4" round file to set the hole profile. Then my 1/4" styrene tube was fitted... And the pipe marked for cutting... I roughed in the hawse rubber on the deck, and the flange on the hull, and glued the flange to the pipe... Then I filed and sanded the flange to shape, detailed the rubber, and test fit to the hull... one more to make, then paint and they'll be ready for the anchors! Stay tuned for more fiddly bits! Regards, Bruce Coyote_6, Gabek, vossiewulf and 12 others 15
AON Posted Tuesday at 10:37 PM #105 Posted Tuesday at 10:37 PM You only had to measure it three times to be confident it was correct before you started potentially butchering the whole thing. I am impressed! Keith Black, Gabek and FriedClams 2 1 Alan O'Neill "only dead fish go with the flow" Ongoing Build (31 Dec 2013) - HMS BELLEROPHON (1786), POF scratch build, scale 1:64, 74 gun 3rd rate Man of War, Arrogant Class Member of the Model Shipwrights of Niagara, Niagara Region, Ontario, Canada (2016), and the Nautical Research Guild (since 2014) Associate member of the Nautical Research and Model Ship Society (2021) Offshore member of The Society of Model Shipwrights (2021)
Lecrenb Posted Wednesday at 04:01 AM Author #106 Posted Wednesday at 04:01 AM 5 hours ago, AON said: You only had to measure it three times to be confident it was correct before you started potentially butchering the whole thing. I am impressed! LOL Alan! Keith Black 1
Lecrenb Posted 21 hours ago Author #107 Posted 21 hours ago Some fiddly bits waiting for paint... about half way done! I made the belaying pins using my Dremel and a file... Coyote_6, wefalck, AON and 2 others 5
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