Name the Ship Game

[amateur]

Not very difficult , I guess

 

Jan

[Menno]

Dutch minesweeper M817 'Venlo'

Edited December 23, 2013 by Menno

[amateur]

No, it is one of the other 31 ships of her class (techniclally speaking, it's even an other class). So guess again

 

No kidding: it is HrMs Leersum, one of the ships of the Wildervank klasse, which is on the outside almost identuical to the Dokkumclass of which Venlo is part.

 

Over to you

(btw are you really living in China?)

 

Jan

[Menno]

Yes, I do live in China tho I'm Dutch as can be. Are you the Jan I used to know from a shipyard in Holland?

[Menno]

Not so hard to guess as there aren't to many ships build in this class.

[amateur]

I never had any connections to any shipyards.

I guess that was another Jan  

 

Jan

[Beef Wellington]

George W. Wells?

[amateur]

At least, it is one mast short of Thomas W Lawson...

 

Jan

[Menno]

George W. Wells is close enough for me because the picture isn't very clear. The one on the picture is the Annie M. Lawrence.

 

Your turn. Jason

[amateur]

Sorry to correct you: I think you mean "Addie M Lawrence"

see www.afn.org/~stan/ships.html

 

Jan

[Menno]

Oops, thanks for correcting me.

[Beef Wellington]

Ok, here's my next one...name has been obscured.  Don't think this should be too tricky, but hey, its Christmas!

Edited December 23, 2013 by Beef Wellington

[amateur]

Looks a bit Russian to me

 

Jan

[Beef Wellington]

Spyglass - you are of course correct, over to you.  A Merry Christmas to all!

[jud]

No, but I will be eating a fowl sandwich later today.

jud

[molasses]

I found that image in about 37 different places identified as "Tall Ship Races". Period. Kind of hard seeing the ship for the lights.

 

My best guess is the Portuguese Navy School Ship Sagres III, sister to Gorch Fock I (ex-Tovarishch, ex-Gorch Fock), Gorch Fock II, USCGC Eagle (ex-Horst Wessel) and Romanian School Ship Mircea. Launched as Albert Leo Schlageter in Germany in 1937. After being seized for war reparations she served as the Brazilian Navy School Ship Guanabara from 1948 until 1962 when she was sold to Portugal. The school ships Gloria (1967, Colombia), Guayas (1976, Ecuador), Simón Bolívar (1979, Venezuela), and Cuauhtémoc (1982, Mexico) were built from the same plans with modifications.

 

 

Daylight photo of Sagres III, the third Portuguese Navy School Ship of that name.

Edited December 27, 2013 by DFellingham

[Doreltomin]

You can bet it's Sagres, she is the only ship among her sisters with red crosses on the sails.

 

One more word about the Romanian Training Ship Mircea. It is actually Mircea II to tell her apart of the first training brig with the same name which was built in 1881 by Thames Iron Works, Orchard Yard, Blackwall, and was lost due to bombing during WW2.  

[molasses]

You can bet it's Sagres, she is the only ship among her sisters with red crosses on the sails.

 

Unfortunately, those crosses don't show in the original photo taken of her under power with sails furled, at night, lit up like a Christmas tree!

[molasses]

you will note that the Christmas tree is square rigged on all masts.

 

Sorry. but it doesn't look to me like it's square rigged on all three masts. While trying to figure this one out I found the highest resolution image available and drew lines at the yards on the foremast in green and on the mainmast in red. When I did that I found there were no more unmarked yards for the mizzen mast - it's clearly three masted, so it has to be a barque. Click the image for full size.

 

 

The photo was published by Arvid Fimreite on 6 January 2011. Link to his website:  http://www.photosight.org/photo.php?photoid=121755&ref=author  As can be seen, his own note for the photo is "A Mexican beauty." Based on the photographer's note I'm making a new guess, the Mexican Navy School Ship Cuauhtemoc, a three masted barque.

 

 

This photo of Cuauhtemoc was taken at dusk and the ship is at about the same angle to the camera as the one we're guessing. Note that the lights match very closely to the other photo (particularly the slightly peaked string of lights at the two royal yards and the wide & shallow "V" of the lights at the main topgallant) and that the hull has the same lines and details. 

[molasses]

Thank you, SpyGlass. You had me doubting my eyesight and my sanity - what little there is - for a while there.

 

Here are two artist's studies for a 17th century ship. Name it. 

 

 

[davyboy]

The 50 gun ship Tiger after her 1681 rebuild I think,drawing by Van de Velde. If correct please put another up as I don´t have anything myself. 

 

Dave

[molasses]

Tiger is correct, Dave.

 

I'll be back soon - I thought I was getting a break from searching for a photo to post.

 

Dave

[molasses]

Arrival of this ship at her first destination caused rioting by angry citizens.

 

Name the Ship:

 

Edited December 28, 2013 by DFellingham

[Captain Slog]

Hi Dave,

 

Is it the clipper 'Challenge' which caused a riot in San Francisco when they heard of the treatment of the crew?

 

Cheers

Slog

[molasses]

Yes, Challenge is correct. Your turn Slog.

 

Challenge was the first ship to be built on three decks with iron bracing of her wooden hull and, at her completion, was the longest and largest displacement clipper afloat. She was specifically designed and built to set records and to beat Flying Cloud. Robert Waterman was hired as Captain to sail from New York to San Francisco with a $10,000 bonus for a passage of 90 days or less. He was famous for setting a record from Macao to New York of 78 days on Natchez in 1842, then improved on it by one day in command of Sea Witch in 1847. Then in 1849 he set a record of 74 days, again on Sea Witch, a record for sail powered vessels that still stands.

 

Challenge set sail from New York on 13 July 1851 under "Bully Bob" Waterman and First Mate James Douglass and arrived in San Francisco on 29 October, a voyage of 108 days. Reports of the brutality by Waterman, Douglass and other officers against the largely inexperienced crew of Challenge - including the beating of sick crewmen for being sick - incensed the populace of San Francisco to rioting in the streets. One newspaper called for Waterman to be "burned alive" and he narrowly escaped being lynched. The first 21 criminal cases of the newly established US District Court of Northern California were the nationally publicized Challenge "hellship" trials involving Waterman and his officers. Waterman was convicted for beating a sick man and Douglass was convicted of murder for beating a man to death. Eight sailors were accused of mutiny by Waterman, but only one saw trial and he was acquitted. Neither Waterman nor Douglass served on another ship.

 

In the following years, Challenge operated primarily in the Pacific and set many records until her sale in 1862 and name change to Golden City. She was sold again in 1866. She sank with all hands off Ushant in 1877.

 

more info: http://www.bruzelius.info/Nautica/Ships/Clippers/Challenge(1851).html  (ship timeline)

http://www.bruzelius.info/Nautica/News/BDA/BDA(1851-06-16).html  (a highly detailed description, inside and out, as newly constructed)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Waterman_(sea_captain)  (more on Waterman and the hellship he created)

 

 

[Captain Slog]

Wow, I am on fire, 2 correct in little over a week, who would have guessed

 

Although I would never have gotten it without the rioting clue, which after reading your description is pretty disturbing.

 

Okay, here is another which no doubt will only last a day...

 

[molasses]

SMS Panther (1901), Imperial German Navy. 35 minutes 

Edited December 29, 2013 by DFellingham

[Captain Slog]

Okay, here is another which no doubt will only last a day...

Did I say a day?  I meant an hour!

 

I must be the worst player in the history of 'name the ship game' ever.

 

Your are of course correct, SMS Panther it is.

 

Cheers

Slog

Edited December 29, 2013 by Captain Slog

[molasses]

It's 2am here and I'm going to bed. I'll post something in about 10 hours.

[molasses]

Name the Ship: