Doreltomin Posted January 6, 2014 Share #2221 Posted January 6, 2014 (edited) I'm also confused because she looks like a ship built into Charles 2nd reign, yet she is different from the known portraits of the Royal Charles former Naseby. The rake of the taffrail is smaller and instead of the big decoration which is now at the Rijksmuseum in Amsterdam (thank you for posting that, Jan!) there is a row of windows. So she cannot be the former Naseby. Perhaps she is the SECOND Royal Charles, a 100 gun launched in 1673, renamed Queen in 1693, rebuilt in 1715 and renamed Royal George, again rebuilt in 1756, renamed Royal Anne this time, and broken up in 1767. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Royal_Charles So, she must be the Royal Charles of 1673; of course, here in the first likeness, or maybe the second, being renamed Queen. Anyway, it's sporting the English ensign, so at least it is before 1707 when Union Jack became the regular ensign. Am I correct? Edited January 6, 2014 by Doreltomin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
molasses Posted January 6, 2014 Share #2222 Posted January 6, 2014 (edited) What do you mean by 'partly correct'? Do you mean this is one of the two names she had, or..... Jan For clarification, the "Royal" part of Royal Charles is correct, the "Charles" part isn't. Her other name was made very famous about 100 years later by a ship of the same name. Edited January 6, 2014 by DFellingham Quote Current Builds: ESMERALDA Chilean Navy School Ship, 1/640 in a bottle insanity Dan Clapp's hard water race boat in a bottle Completed Build: Prairie Schooner OGALLALA 1/96 in a bottle Research Project: Cruizer-class Brig-Sloops "Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy." - Benjamin Franklin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beef Wellington Posted January 6, 2014 Share #2223 Posted January 6, 2014 Royal James? Quote Cheers, Jason "Which it will be ready when it is ready!" In the shipyard: HMS Jason (c.1794: Artois Class 38 gun frigate) Queen Anne Royal Barge (c.1700) Finished: HMS Snake (c.1797: Cruizer Class, ship rigged sloop) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
molasses Posted January 6, 2014 Share #2224 Posted January 6, 2014 Royal James is correct, Jason. A 100 gun first rate, she was launched in 1675. Renamed Victory in 1691 at the decommissioning of the old second rate Victory of 1666. Extensively rebuilt in 1694/95. The image I posted documents her appearance after the rebuild. I overlooked her third name.of Royal George in 1714/15. She was nearly destroyed during another rebuild when fires to burn off the accumulated marine growth got out of control and nearly destroyed her in 1721. Although funded as a rebuild, the next Victory of 1737 used so little of the remains that it's considered a different ship. The Victory we all know was launched in 1765. Your turn, Jason. Quote Current Builds: ESMERALDA Chilean Navy School Ship, 1/640 in a bottle insanity Dan Clapp's hard water race boat in a bottle Completed Build: Prairie Schooner OGALLALA 1/96 in a bottle Research Project: Cruizer-class Brig-Sloops "Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy." - Benjamin Franklin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beef Wellington Posted January 6, 2014 Share #2225 Posted January 6, 2014 Doubt this will prove to be too challenging... Quote Cheers, Jason "Which it will be ready when it is ready!" In the shipyard: HMS Jason (c.1794: Artois Class 38 gun frigate) Queen Anne Royal Barge (c.1700) Finished: HMS Snake (c.1797: Cruizer Class, ship rigged sloop) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Тексты песен Posted January 7, 2014 Share #2226 Posted January 7, 2014 С новым годом и с наступающим Рождеством ! :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtaylor Posted January 7, 2014 Share #2227 Posted January 7, 2014 Please use English as this is an English Language forum. Google Translate works well if you need it. Пожалуйста, используйте английский язык, поскольку это форум английского языка. Google Translate работает хорошо, если вам это нужно. Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beef Wellington Posted January 8, 2014 Share #2228 Posted January 8, 2014 Wow...I seem to have thrown a wet blanket on this game. I'm wary of giving any clues without giving it away, but looking at the picture there are some inconsistencies that should put you on the right track. Lastly, its not anything to do with Arclow or Euphrates if that helps :-) egkb and molasses 2 Quote Cheers, Jason "Which it will be ready when it is ready!" In the shipyard: HMS Jason (c.1794: Artois Class 38 gun frigate) Queen Anne Royal Barge (c.1700) Finished: HMS Snake (c.1797: Cruizer Class, ship rigged sloop) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egkb Posted January 8, 2014 Share #2229 Posted January 8, 2014 Hi again Jason, Hmmm not the Arklow 'Something' then eh? damn I'm out of ideas so.... Not by any chance 'Old Ironsides' ? just a shot in the dark.. based on absolutely no research at all... Eamonn Quote Current Build : HM Schooner Ballahoo In the Pipeline : HM Cutter Sherbourne, HM Mortar Convulsion, Emma C Berry & C18th English Longboat.. Eventually That Is..🙄 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amateur Posted January 8, 2014 Share #2230 Posted January 8, 2014 (edited) Royal Charles was partly correct at the last one Jan Edited January 8, 2014 by amateur Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beef Wellington Posted January 8, 2014 Share #2231 Posted January 8, 2014 Not Old Ironsides and not Royal Charles...I could say partially correct based on the fact that some of the letters used are the same, but I won't Quote Cheers, Jason "Which it will be ready when it is ready!" In the shipyard: HMS Jason (c.1794: Artois Class 38 gun frigate) Queen Anne Royal Barge (c.1700) Finished: HMS Snake (c.1797: Cruizer Class, ship rigged sloop) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egkb Posted January 8, 2014 Share #2232 Posted January 8, 2014 Have just looked closer.. is she a whaler? Hmmmmm Eamonn I know you may not answer, as I could be a clue too many Quote Current Build : HM Schooner Ballahoo In the Pipeline : HM Cutter Sherbourne, HM Mortar Convulsion, Emma C Berry & C18th English Longboat.. Eventually That Is..🙄 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egkb Posted January 8, 2014 Share #2233 Posted January 8, 2014 Charles W Morgan perchance? just a guess based on a little more research those 'topped' yards look familiar! Eamonn Also the 'Charles' came from Jan's post above, which made me think, though I suspect he may actually have it, if Charles W is correct Quote Current Build : HM Schooner Ballahoo In the Pipeline : HM Cutter Sherbourne, HM Mortar Convulsion, Emma C Berry & C18th English Longboat.. Eventually That Is..🙄 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beef Wellington Posted January 8, 2014 Share #2234 Posted January 8, 2014 (edited) You got her Eamonn, she is indeed the Charles W Morgan - told you it was pretty easy :-) . The whites stripe is misleading but this is how she looked when moving to Mystic in early 1941. I thought the davits and lack of a topmast would have given it away though. Over to you Eamonn. Edited January 8, 2014 by Beef Wellington Quote Cheers, Jason "Which it will be ready when it is ready!" In the shipyard: HMS Jason (c.1794: Artois Class 38 gun frigate) Queen Anne Royal Barge (c.1700) Finished: HMS Snake (c.1797: Cruizer Class, ship rigged sloop) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egkb Posted January 8, 2014 Share #2235 Posted January 8, 2014 Thanks Jason.. though I kinda feel Jan had her but didn't say so.. if you follow me, especially when he said 'Royal Charles' was partially correct at the last one..! it was that that made me think of the Morgan Will post another photo shortly.. tis tea time over here (and it will take some time to find an Arklow Whaler !!! ) Eamonn Quote Current Build : HM Schooner Ballahoo In the Pipeline : HM Cutter Sherbourne, HM Mortar Convulsion, Emma C Berry & C18th English Longboat.. Eventually That Is..🙄 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egkb Posted January 8, 2014 Share #2236 Posted January 8, 2014 (edited) Hi folks, BTW I did find an 'Arklow Whaling' vessel (of sorts), 2 in fact.. they were both regular cargo schooners which were used in the Moby Dick film from the '50's, but I thought they would be way toooo nasty/obscure/difficult to post as questions, and I'd run the risk of being hated on MSW So I decided to play nice.. These images are all examples of the same TYPE of boat, your mission this time is to simply name what that TYPE actually is! (They actually have a specific name! and sorry but 'Gaff Cutter' is not the answer I'm chasing, you'll have to work a little bit harder than that ) Eamonn I think there is enough information there to be getting on with.. Edited January 8, 2014 by egkb Quote Current Build : HM Schooner Ballahoo In the Pipeline : HM Cutter Sherbourne, HM Mortar Convulsion, Emma C Berry & C18th English Longboat.. Eventually That Is..🙄 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtaylor Posted January 9, 2014 Share #2237 Posted January 9, 2014 Hmmmm... I'm thinking the HMS in the title is a red herring. Looks to be a frigate or a wannabee frigate. US possibly? Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amateur Posted January 9, 2014 Share #2238 Posted January 9, 2014 It's not a bristol Chanel cutter? Jan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menno Posted January 9, 2014 Share #2239 Posted January 9, 2014 Galway Hookers! Sometimes they showed up in Holland and I always was very impressed by them. They are so.... whats the right word here... sturdy! Nice choice Eamonn. egkb 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egkb Posted January 9, 2014 Share #2240 Posted January 9, 2014 (edited) Well done Menno.. Galway Hooker is right, though for pleasing 'lines' I personally prefer the Kinsale Hooker, a little less 'sturdy' looking! Emmmmm.. does anybody know what Mark is on about a few posts up? (I think he must be answering the previous question, cos I don't think you could confuse a Galway Hooker with a Frigate. maybe if you really squint up your eyes :) ) Over to you Menno.. Eamonn Sorry Mark, was just kiddin, hope you didn't mind. EDIT.. Jan, the Bristol Channel Cutter are beautiful boats but a fair bit larger I think. Edited January 9, 2014 by egkb Quote Current Build : HM Schooner Ballahoo In the Pipeline : HM Cutter Sherbourne, HM Mortar Convulsion, Emma C Berry & C18th English Longboat.. Eventually That Is..🙄 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menno Posted January 9, 2014 Share #2241 Posted January 9, 2014 Thanks Eamonn, Here's the next one. Back then by far the fastest boat in the world. Steam powered. egkb 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doreltomin Posted January 9, 2014 Share #2242 Posted January 9, 2014 (edited) Charles Parson's Turbinia of 1894! Her original power plant is in the Science Museum, South Kensington Edited January 9, 2014 by Doreltomin egkb 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menno Posted January 9, 2014 Share #2243 Posted January 9, 2014 That's correct Doreltomin. Over to you. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turbinia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doreltomin Posted January 9, 2014 Share #2244 Posted January 9, 2014 Thank you Menno! So here it goes again: Which ship is this one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtaylor Posted January 10, 2014 Share #2245 Posted January 10, 2014 Eamonn, Sorry, I forgot to refresh the page before I posted. Got taken away for a bit and didn't think... egkb 1 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amateur Posted January 10, 2014 Share #2246 Posted January 10, 2014 Bow and tumblehome suggest a Frech liaison.... Jan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doreltomin Posted January 10, 2014 Share #2247 Posted January 10, 2014 @ Jan: that's correct. Besides, because we are on a shipmodellers' forum, I can tell you these square windows which are typical French are a modeller's nightmare. But letting that apart, isn't that a very interesting ship shape? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amateur Posted January 10, 2014 Share #2248 Posted January 10, 2014 INteresting perhaps, but I still don't know whether or not I like these French cruisers Jan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jud Posted January 10, 2014 Share #2249 Posted January 10, 2014 (edited) Two boats away, boarding ladder down and one boat boom out with it's ladder. Those ladders are easier to climb from the side, don't swing out from under you as far. jud Edited January 10, 2014 by jud Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doreltomin Posted January 10, 2014 Share #2250 Posted January 10, 2014 (edited) @ Jan: You are right, some of these 19th century French ships look quite strange with their heavily inwards curved shape and those turreting superstructures. At least this one looks a bit more "normal". Good thinking so far.. you can go further in that same direction! @Jud: thanks for the imput. Never thought until now how hard it would be to climb on a rope ladder from a swinging boat even in a moderate sea. May be tough! Also, it may well be that the picture itself is made from the missing boat! So, any more ideas or should I drop in one more clue? Edited January 10, 2014 by Doreltomin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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