Name the Ship Game

[NMBROOK]

I think if we stopped people from using google,then a lot of the posts would exceed the 2 week timelimit before posting a new image.I think the key to posting is not using google to find your chosen ship.I think that you need a very exhaustive reference library at home to be able to answer these without google or wikipedia.Anyway it is a scottish steamer,but which one?

Kind Regards Nigel

[mtaylor]

Spyglass,

 

Danny just did some retouching to mask it.  Maybe kill the clouds, flags, ship name, and sometimes background.  Very effective.  It doesn't take much to fake out Google... And a bit of text to the image and Google looses it. 

[Beef Wellington]

My first reaction was the Caledonian Canal, wild guess, and probably my last....PS MERCURY.  I think there does need to be at least some clue in the picture, of course depends on how mean one is feeling

[NMBROOK]

Not the PS Mercury but it is the Caledonian Canal Jason.Bit early for clues because there aren't all that many steamers that are named on the net for this part of the world.

Kind Regards Nigel

[Beef Wellington]

OK - another try...Gondolier.  Very hard to tell from the small picture.

[NMBROOK]

Congratulations Jason you are correct.Like I said there are plenty of old photos of Loch Ness steamers,but few have names to them.

Kind Regards Nigel

[Beef Wellington]

What is the record for number of ships guessed in a day...last 24hrs must have been close to that

 

Anyway, lets bring in some controversy.  Looking for the name of the dismasted ship on the left (it has been officially misidentified)....and for a bonus the identity of the ship on the right.

 

Edited November 5, 2013 by Beef Wellington

[NMBROOK]

Ok then.the demasted ship is Bucentaure.The ship to the right is HMS Sandwich.The 'twist' as I understand it,is that the painter Auguste Mayer painted this depiction of the battle of Trafalger did not realise that HMS Sandwich did not take part in the battle. Incidentaly the ship to the left is HMS Temeraire.How many is that today?    

Kind Regards Nigel 

[Beef Wellington]

Yup, you have it Nigel, I was trying a quick googly but couldn't pull it off!  You correctly identify the dismasted ship as the French Bucentaure, identifiable by her figurehead.  She had been incorrectly identified as the Redoutable for many years.  Temeraire is also correct.

 

I'd like to hold out for the ship on the right, but its really not fair.  At the time of Trafalgar the Sandwich was a sheer hulk.  The picture is apparently quite accurate and survivors on both sides provided insight.  Nelson had 7 three deckers who could be candidates.  Victory and Temeraire are out, narrowing it down to five: Neptune, Britannia, Royal Sovereign, Dreadnought or Prince.  Extract below is from eye witness accounts:

 

"The Redoutable's bowsprit had touched several times the taffrail of the Bucentaure, so close was she. The Santísima Trinidad was almost lying to, just ahead of the Bucentaure. The Neptune was closed up near by to leeward. A collision (with the Victory as she came on) appeared inevitable. At that moment Villeneuve seized the eagle of his ship and displayed it to the sailors who surrounded him. 'My friends,' he called out, 'I am going to throw this on board the English ship. We will go and fetch it back or die!' ('Mes amis, je vais la jeter à bord du vaisseau anglais. Nous irons la reprendre ou mourir!') Our seamen responded to these noble words by their acclamations. 'Full of hope for the issue of a combat fought hand to hand, Villeneuve, before the smoke of battle blotted out the Bucentaure from the view of the fleet, made a last signal to his ships. 'Every ship,' he signalled, 'which is not in action is not at its post, and must take station to bring herself as speedily as possible under fire'."

 

My vote is for Neptune given here position in the line near Temeraire...confusingly, there was also a French Neptune at the battle as well.

 

Over to you again Nigel

Edited November 5, 2013 by Beef Wellington

[NMBROOK]

Thanks Jason.I actually found the painting on a navy site and that is what the explanation was,they also mentioned the ship behind the Becentaure was Victory.

Best see what I can come up with

Kind Regards Nigel

[NMBROOK]

I am hoping this is an easy one as it is nearly bed time for me so I would rather someone else was in the 'hot seat' to continue this ship nameathon

Kind Regards Nigel

Edited November 6, 2013 by NMBROOK

[NMBROOK]

Ok first clues,I don't think I have to say what nationality it is due to the rather 'subtle' flags.It is Tudor and it has two names

Kind Regards Nigel

[egkb]

Hmmmm 4 masts.. what looks like a Tudor Rose was about to say Mary Rose when your clue came up jeez back to the drawing board

 

Eamonn

edit.. was actually in the middle of typing this when your post popped up, and I thought I was being soooo cunning spotting the really hard to notice odd flag or two!

Edited November 6, 2013 by egkb

[NMBROOK]

Ok final clue and this is making it real easy 'grace of god'

Kind Regards Nigel

[egkb]

 Henri Grace A Dieu.. don't know the 2nd name though, dragged that name up from the memory banks and took a few mins to get the right spelling.. even now I'm not so sure

 

Eamonn

 

Tis getting late.. and am confusing myself now   but is this ship also known as just Grace ADieu, or is Henry Grace Adieu a different ship (aka Great Harry) ?

Bed beckons.....

Edited November 6, 2013 by egkb

[NMBROOK]

That is quite correct Eamonn congratulations.She was also referred to as the 'Great Harry'.Over to you and I am having a little break,this is becoming addictive    .

Kind Regards Nigel

P.S.I hope you find a right 'stinker' as I am sitting this one out

Kind Regards Nigel

[egkb]

Ahhh don't sit it out, I've found a somewhat different to my usual 'wreck photos' photo! this is a launching for a change..

 

I was going to go down to my local paddling pool and take a shot of a rowing boat or something, just to spice things up a bit naaa just kidding..

 

Try this for size

 

Eamonn

 

Am off to bed now guys so you'll have to wait a bit for my reply's.

Edited November 6, 2013 by egkb

[amateur]

Dutch wharf, I think (despite the Frecnh flag on the ship)

Launching them sideways is a method very often used at the wharfs in the northers part of the Netherlands (Gongingen/Friesland)

 

Jan

Edited November 6, 2013 by amateur

[egkb]

Dutch Built..  but correct flag though

 

Eamonn

 

That might start to narrow things down a bit !

 

Have only just spotted your edit Jan.. correct re Grongingen.. but incorrect re nationality of flag (French didn't cross my mind when writing the first line above)

E

Edited November 6, 2013 by egkb

[amateur]

Nope, I didn't check the large pic. And thinking of a Dutch wharf (Ferus Smit is indeed neer Grongingen: unbelievable that seegoing ships are build over there....) I was inclined to see red white and blue. Never thought of green and orange

And for those not understanding what I mean: check where the A is pointing (and zoom in, to understand why this wharf launches sideways)

https://maps.google.nl/maps?q=ferus+smit+hoogezand&hl=nl&hq=ferus+smit&hnear=Hoogezand,+Hoogezand-Sappemeer,+Groningen&t=h&z=7

 

Jan

Edited November 6, 2013 by amateur

[amateur]

And just for fun (stil not found the ship, but many interesting pics of ships going into the water)

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZQ1jOH450M

 

Jan

[egkb]

Jan, should you need a clue just let me know..

 

Some great video clips there by the way!

 

Eamonn

[amateur]

 

 

Thinking aloud:

Early eighties, late seventies, as the shipyard has no large roofed building facilities. Besides: the ship is without bulb.

 

I'm looking in Irish or Itallian shipowners, due to the flag in th eforemast. I'm more into Irish, due to the relaively light colours. (and the posten not being Italian )

[egkb]

Spot on so far Jan.. that should narrow things down considerably!

Keep the thought process going..

 

By The Way, the colour is only a primer/undercoat/rust protection take your pick.. suffice to say not her final colour 

Eamonn

[NMBROOK]

Can't keep away can I   Going out on a bit of a limb here,the pedalo would have been easier Eamonn   I think we are looking at another Arklow shipping vessel and the shipyard is Barkmeijer Stroobos BV.The problem being they have built several vessels of this type for Arklow,and I can't find the pic.

Kind Regards Nigel

[egkb]

Welcome back Nigel, I don't think the photo is online.. but the ship is!

 

Nigel

[amateur]

The shipyard is Ferus Smit in Groningen (the name is on the crane).

 

Jan

[amateur]

btw Smit also did some ships for Arklow (around 1980, which fits in nively with my conclusion above)

 

Interesting question is: does the ship still exist?

 

Jan

Edited November 6, 2013 by amateur

[egkb]

Jan, Nigel ye aren't too far away.. Jan is a little bit closer though I feel, bit more work to do to catch up Nigel !

 

Keep Hunting guys, the boat is out there even if the photo itself isn't. Ye are much closer than you think!!!

 

E

[amateur]

Like her namesake she's all in ruins now

 

Jan