Name the Ship Game

[amateur]

Is it Japanese SHIKISHIMA?

 

Jan

[BareHook]

The Oslyabya?

[Captain Slog]

Is it Japanese SHIKISHIMA?

 

Jan

Sorry, not Japanese 

 

The Oslyabya?

 

Barehook is heading in the right direction...The Oslyabya is slightly too early but can see the resemblance 

 

Cheers

Slog

Edited May 9, 2014 by Captain Slog

[BareHook]

How about the Retvizan?

[Captain Slog]

sorry Wayne.  A few clues. It was built between 1903-1910 and fought at the Battle of Cape Sarych.

 

Cheers

Slog

[st george]

Russian then?

[Jwvanost]

Tsetsarivich?  spelling might be off.  Not sure exact spelling?

[Jwvanost]

There is another one maybe too.  Sinsor Valley or something similar?  My russing spelling isn't good lol.

[Captain Slog]

Russian then?

Yes

 

Tsetsarivich?  spelling might be off.  Not sure exact spelling?

Sorry

 

There is another one maybe too.  Sinsor Valley or something similar?  My russing spelling isn't good lol.

Sorry again.

 

It is named after its class of pre-dreadnought which there is only one other.

 

Cheers

Slog

[amateur]

I think there was something names after a sint or so. Can't trace him back now.....

problem is: I guess we can find it on a russian wiki-site, but I can't read those cirilic characters.

 

Jan

[Captain Slog]

Hi Jan,

 

Almost there, yes she is named after a Saint.  No need to worry about complicating it with Russian Cyrillic characters etc, as found her on a English speaking site and spelled in English .

 

Cheers

Slog

[amateur]

Sain John something.

Why can't I find it......

 

Jan

[molasses]

The pre-dreadnought battleship, Evstafi (Евстафий), and her sister ship Ioann Zlatoust (Иоанн Златоуст) were named for Saint Eustace and Saint John Chrysostom ("golden mouth" in Greek), respectively. They were larger versions of the better known Potemkin with increased armor and more guns. Launched in 1906, their entry into the Imperial Russian Navy's Black Sea Fleet was delayed until 1911 for improvements dictated by the Russian experience in their war against Japan. They were captured by the Germans in Sevastopol in 1918 and turned over to the Allies after the Armistice. The British destroyed their engines in 1919 before the White Russians abandoned the Crimea in 1920. They were scrapped in 1922-23.

[Captain Slog]

The pre-dreadnought battleship, Evstafi 

You are correct Dave.

 

Your turn.

 

Cheers

Slog

[molasses]

Here's four views of a model contemporary to the ship. Naming the class will be close enough.

Name the ship:

 

 

 

 

 

Good luck!

 

I found another photo of this model.

 

Edited May 13, 2014 by DFellingham

[Beef Wellington]

Niger class frigate (HMS Winchelsea?)

[molasses]

I figured Niger/Winchelsea would be a first guess because of our familiarity with it and the close resemblance. Close, but no cookie. 

Edited May 13, 2014 by DFellingham

[Beef Wellington]

  - Worth a guess.  They do look similar, pretty sure I'll get it later after I get home unless someone gets it first....

[Beef Wellington]

So I'll go with Richmond class of 1756, I don't think its possible to identify the specific ship.

[molasses]

Richmond class is correct. The model is not identified as to which specific ship, "possibly Thames" is how it's labeled. I thought this model, which is not on display at the National Maritime Museum in Greenwich, was worth being seen. I came across it while reading about Admiral Edward Pellew, 1st Viscount Exmouth. His first ship as a 14 year midshipman was the Richmond class Juno in 1770. After serving as temporary captain of the Artois, his first permanent post command was the Winchelsea from 1786 to 1789 out of Newfoundland.

 

Your turn, Jason.

[Beef Wellington]

I don't think this will be too tough, continuing the model theme...

 

 

 

[Captain Slog]

Hi Jason,

 

Stupid guess but is it the 'early' (pre-trafalger or something) HMS Victory?

 

Regardless it is a beautiful model.

 

cheers

Slog

[Beef Wellington]

Slog, not a stupid guess at all - she is a beautiful model and the reason I wanted to share after Doug set a precedent.  Time period is earlier and closer to the original Victory that was launched in 1737 and wrecked in 1744 vs the Victory at Trafalgar.  This ship was launched in 1719.

[molasses]

This model is of the 100 gun first rate Royal William for the 1714-19 rebuild. Originally the 100 gun Prince of 1670, she was rebuilt, enlarged and renamed Royal William in 1692. She was enlarged again for the 1719 rebuild. Royal William had her armament reduced to 84 guns in 1756 and was scrapped in 1813.

 

This is a spectacular model and remarkably well preserved for being 300 years old! It is not on display at the NMM, Greenwich. I've posted the entire gallery of photos of this model. For best viewing click on an image (the photos shown on the page are just thumbnails), use the "prev" and "next" tabs near the upper corners (or keys "p" and "n") to scroll through the photos - and be ready to pick your jaw up from the floor.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Thank you, Jason, for bringing this stunning model to our attention.

 

Dave

Edited May 14, 2014 by DFellingham

[Beef Wellington]

It really is a stunner.  The ‘Royal William’ was never fitted out for sea as 100-gun first rate, and its active life began when it was reduced to a second rate of 84 guns in 1756. It saw service during the Seven Years War as part of Hawke’s fleet in 1757 and took part in the expedition to Quebec, and carried home the body of General James Wolfe in 1759. The ‘Royal William’ was reduced to a third rate of 80 guns in 1771. During the American Revolutionary War it was involved in the relief of Gibraltar, before becoming a receiving ship at Portsmouth in 1790 and, from 1801, a guardship at Sheerness. It was broken up in 1813. The ‘Royal William’s’ longevity is sometimes ascribed to George III’s particular fondness for it. A more likely explanation is that it was constructed from charred winter-felled oak.

 

Dave - back over to you 

[molasses]

Thanks, Jason.

 

To continue with the trend here's another contemporary model. Please note that this sloop model is ship-rigged even though the sources I've consulted say this sloop was a brig. This model was built to illustrate the experimental features of this sloop and I suspect that the rigging changes were not made to the brig purchased for the experiment.

 

 

 

 

Good luck!

 

Dave (not Doug  )

[Beef Wellington]

That must be HMS Wolverine, ex-Rattler.  She was built to demonstrate a system devised by Captain John Schank by which the carronades ran in grooves in the lower deck.

[molasses]

Very good, Jason. I held back a fourth photo that shows the grooves in the deck.

 

 

Armed on the lower deck with 2 x 18 pound cannon and 6 x 24 pound carronades that were secured on the centerline of the brig when not in use then shifted to the engaged side during battle. This clearly could present a big problem when engaging from the lee side because the heeling of the brig from the wind plus all that weight well off center could easily leave the gun ports under water. She also had 2 x 12 pound cannon forward and 4 more aft on the weather deck. This armament gave her a weight of broadside about equal to that of a 32 gun 12 pounder frigate in a vessel about half the size and requiring one-third the crew.

 

Commissioned in 1798, Wolverine engaged a French 30 gun privateer frigate to protect her convoy in 1804. After an hour of battle she was forced to surrender and sank 15 minutes later.

 

Your turn, Jason.

Edited May 14, 2014 by DFellingham

[Beef Wellington]

Change of pace.   Photo is unaltered and hopefully enough clues to allow you to home in on.  Freebie clue is that there is a tenuous connection to the previous ship.

 

 

 

[amateur]

One funnel, actually, I expected two on this vessel. She look s a bit like HMS Victoria, but with one funnel short...

 

Jan

Edited May 15, 2014 by amateur