Bill97 Posted October 11, 2022 Share #1 Posted October 11, 2022 Ok all my MSW friends that were there with me, and for me, during my HMS Victory build. I will soon be pulling the plastic off my next adventure the Heller 1/100 Le Soleli Royal. Both of these Heller models grabbed my attention when I first saw them. I had an incredible experience building the Victory. I could not have done it without all my friends here on MSW. Please feel free to begin filling this blog with your suggestions and advice. It will probably be a couple weeks before I start it. I must first build the display case for my Victory. popeye2sea, Ian_Grant, Mexspur and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popeye2sea Posted October 11, 2022 Share #2 Posted October 11, 2022 Looking forward to it. Regards, Mexspur 1 Quote Henry Laissez le bon temps rouler ! Current Build: Le Soleil Royal Completed Build: Amerigo Vespucci Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill97 Posted October 11, 2022 Author Share #3 Posted October 11, 2022 Popeye2sea I have your SR build blog saved for easy reference, along with a few others. Will be referencing it when I get started. Mexspur and Ian_Grant 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veszett Roka Posted October 12, 2022 Share #4 Posted October 12, 2022 Pulling my chair. Not just because SR is my younghood dream (though never built it) but because Bill's logs are always fun to read and sometimes participate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill97 Posted October 12, 2022 Author Share #5 Posted October 12, 2022 Cracked open the box today. My first impression is Wow there are a lot of pieces! Not sure but I think more than the Victory. I have not attempted dry fitting anything together but it appears the parts are beautifully molded, including all the figurines. I am impressed. One thing that struck me immediately is the shape of the deadeyes. They are more triangle or pear shape maybe. And as many have said the ones included with the kit will have to be replaced. I have many round wood deadeyes I purchased during my Victory build but see they will not work for my SR. Hubac's Historian, Bill Morrison, Ryland Craze and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill97 Posted October 12, 2022 Author Share #6 Posted October 12, 2022 (edited) If I measured them correctly I will need to shop for 4 sizes of triangle wood deadeyes 7, 5, 4, and 3 mm. I am finding 7 and 5 mm online. Still looking for 4 and 3 mm. It is interesting on several of the sites for after market SR parts they show using round deadeyes for the two smaller sizes. Edited October 12, 2022 by Bill97 Bill Morrison and Mexspur 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hubac's Historian Posted October 12, 2022 Share #7 Posted October 12, 2022 I’m not really sure why Heller opted for triangular deadeyes, but round would certainly be appropriate for a French ship of this period. Mexspur and Bill Morrison 2 Quote We are all works in progress, all of the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill97 Posted October 12, 2022 Author Share #8 Posted October 12, 2022 Thanks Marc. Round would be OK? I have all the sizes I need in wood. Did not want you to ban me from MSW for using creative license 😀. Mexspur, Bill Morrison and Hubac's Historian 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian_Grant Posted October 12, 2022 Share #9 Posted October 12, 2022 Your kit must be from a different lot, Bill. Mine was still molded in funky black, red, and blue plastic. Your muted tones might be easier to paint! Hubac's Historian, Bill Morrison and Mexspur 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hubac's Historian Posted October 12, 2022 Share #10 Posted October 12, 2022 (edited) According to Puget, round deadeyes are right-on! Edited October 12, 2022 by Hubac's Historian Baker and Bill Morrison 2 Quote We are all works in progress, all of the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill97 Posted October 13, 2022 Author Share #11 Posted October 13, 2022 Great! Glad round deadeyes are OK! Marc would you want to guess at the correct sizes needed in wood round deadeyes? The Heller kit has four different sizes as I mentioned above. If they would work I would maybe like to get Daniel’s etched chains I used on the Victory. Wood deadeyes really fit great in his chains. Looking at the Heller deadeyes it looks as if they would have you glue a front and back together to make a deadeye with a groove the thread would fit in. Marc was your’s that way? Yes mine is all the same color plastic. I wondered when I saw the other ones on line that were in the different colors like your’s. I wondered if maybe Heller improved the molds they use as well to correct some of the reported issues. I guess I will see. My kit also came with the new instruction book which is so much better than the Victory instructions. Hubac's Historian and Bill Morrison 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popeye2sea Posted October 13, 2022 Share #12 Posted October 13, 2022 Round deadeyes are the way to go. I am using 3,4,5 and 6mm deadeyes from Syren. Regards, Bill Morrison, Bill97 and Hubac's Historian 3 Quote Henry Laissez le bon temps rouler ! Current Build: Le Soleil Royal Completed Build: Amerigo Vespucci Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill97 Posted October 13, 2022 Author Share #13 Posted October 13, 2022 Popeye are you using deadeye clamps or chains or whatever you call the little piece that goes around the deadeye and down through the channel? If not what are you using for that part of the rigging? If you are using an after market piece what are you using and where did you find it? Popeye I am going to read through your blog to see if you have addressed this yet. Marc I am going read through your’s as well to see if you address it. I am obviously doing a lot of pre build research before I get started. Hubac's Historian 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hubac's Historian Posted October 13, 2022 Share #14 Posted October 13, 2022 I’ll be making up my own chains. What you are aiming for is what you see on the Frolich model of L’Ambiteaux: photo courtesy of Marc Yeu Ian_Grant and Bill Morrison 2 Quote We are all works in progress, all of the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill97 Posted October 13, 2022 Author Share #15 Posted October 13, 2022 That is interesting Marc. Never thought of making my own. Will see if I can find a plan on how to make them. Mexspur 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popeye2sea Posted October 13, 2022 Share #16 Posted October 13, 2022 7 hours ago, Bill97 said: Popeye are you using deadeye clamps or chains or whatever you call the little piece that goes around the deadeye and down through the channel? If not what are you using for that part of the rigging? If you are using an after market piece what are you using and where did you find it? Popeye I am going to read through your blog to see if you have addressed this yet. Marc I am going read through your’s as well to see if you address it. I am obviously doing a lot of pre build research before I get started. I made my own iron strops and chains for the deadeyes from wire that I soldered and blackened. Regards, Mexspur, Bill Morrison and Hubac's Historian 3 Quote Henry Laissez le bon temps rouler ! Current Build: Le Soleil Royal Completed Build: Amerigo Vespucci Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin-the-lubber Posted October 14, 2022 Share #17 Posted October 14, 2022 Another follower here Bill, sorry I'm late, I got caught up on some chaps' finale on Victory 🙂. Wow, this kit looks far better than I was expecting, I wrongly had the impression that the mouldings were quite poor now, but they look at least as good, if not better than, Victory's. Didn't Daniel show how he made chains for Victory? Anyway, eagerly watching to see how it goes. Mexspur and Hubac's Historian 2 Quote Kevin https://www.ebay.co.uk/usr/ktl_model_shop Current projects: HMS Victory 1:100 (Heller / Scratch, kind of active, depending on the alignment of the planets) https://modelshipworld.com/topic/23247-hms-victory-by-kevin-the-lubber-heller-1100-plastic-with-3d-printed-additions/ Cutty Sark 1:96 (More scratch than Revell, parked for now) https://modelshipworld.com/topic/30964-cutty-sark-by-kevin-the-lubber-revell-196 Soleil Royal 1:100 (Heller..... and probably some bashing. The one I'm not supposed to be working on yet) https://modelshipworld.com/topic/36944-le-soleil-royal-by-kevin-the-lubber-heller-1100-plastic/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill97 Posted October 15, 2022 Author Share #18 Posted October 15, 2022 “What you are aiming for is what you see on the Frolich model of L’Ambiteaux:” Marc in the photo you attached the chain looks like a solid rod attached at the deadeye and one chain link at the bottom where it attaches at the hull instead of several chain links going from the deadeye to my he hull. Am I seeing it correct Hubac's Historian 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian_Grant Posted October 15, 2022 Share #19 Posted October 15, 2022 Bill, I believe it is an elongated chain link in the centre, but when pulled between two links oriented parallel to the side of the ship it naturally orients itself perpendicular to the side of the ship, and the viewer then cannot see its two bars. Hubac's Historian 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hubac's Historian Posted October 15, 2022 Share #20 Posted October 15, 2022 What Ian said 😀 Ian_Grant 1 Quote We are all works in progress, all of the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill97 Posted October 16, 2022 Author Share #21 Posted October 16, 2022 Got it gentlemen. Thanks. Studying making my own as you guys suggested. What size/gauge wire do you use? I am thinking 5mm/4 gauge maybe. If I want to solder the joints what type wire should I use? Mexspur 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baker Posted October 17, 2022 Share #22 Posted October 17, 2022 I follow too. I built the heller SR a very long time ago. beautiful kit, you will have a lot of building pleasure with it Quote Regards, Patrick Finished : Soleil Royal Heller 1/100 Wasa Billing Boats Bounty Revell 1/110 plastic (semi scratch) Pelican / Golden Hind 1/45 scratch Current build : Mary Rose 1/50 scratch große-jacht / Yacht D'Oro 1/50 Corel Gallery : Revell Bounty Pelican/Golden hind 1/45 scratch Shore leave, non ship models build logs : ADGZ M35 funkwagen 1/72 Einhets Pkw. Kfz.2 and 4 1/72 Autoblinda AB40 1/72 122mm A-19 & 152mm ML-20 & 12.8cm Pak.44 {K8 1/2} 1/72 10.5cm Howitzer 16 on Mark. VI(e) Centurion Mk.1 conversion M29 Weasel 1/72 SAM6 1/72 T26 Finland T26 TN 1/72 Autoprotetto S37 1/72 Opel Blitz buses 1/72 Boxer and MAN trucks 1/72 Hetzer38(t) Starr 1/72 Cleaning the 1/72 military collection Si vis pacem, para bellum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hubac's Historian Posted October 17, 2022 Share #23 Posted October 17, 2022 Hi Bill - I recommend you take a look at this section of Popeye2Sea’s log, to get a better sense of materials and process. 4 Gauge is going to be much too heavy. I haven’t really figured this out yet, myself, but I think 28 gauge is the biggest I would go. Mexspur 1 Quote We are all works in progress, all of the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill97 Posted October 18, 2022 Author Share #24 Posted October 18, 2022 Marc I actually ordered 24 gauge brass wire. It measures close to the .5 mm Daniel for 1/100 scale. Will see how it fits my deadeyes when I get it. Now to get smart on soldering brass wire. Daniel and Popeye each have a nice instruction section on making the chains. Today while waiting on the stain to dry on my Victory display case parts I am digging into my SR box. Anxious to get started painting and gold leafing some parts. Also separated on the cannon barrel halves to put in little zip lock bags. Mexspur, Bill Morrison, Baker and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hubac's Historian Posted October 18, 2022 Share #25 Posted October 18, 2022 Since you are planning to actually gold leaf the ornament, I would take a look at Michael’s (72Nova) Reale build. He did such an amazing and convincing job of it. Bill Morrison and Baker 2 Quote We are all works in progress, all of the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill97 Posted October 18, 2022 Author Share #26 Posted October 18, 2022 (edited) Thanks Marc. I will do that. Are you referencing Reale de France. I looked at the index and did not see one built by that name? Edited October 18, 2022 by Bill97 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hubac's Historian Posted October 18, 2022 Share #27 Posted October 18, 2022 This whole build is a treat for the eyes. Not only is the decorative work superlative, his natural wood effects are some of the best I’ve seen. Bill Morrison 1 Quote We are all works in progress, all of the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill97 Posted October 18, 2022 Author Share #28 Posted October 18, 2022 Thanks Marc. I must be doing something wrong when I look at the index. Where did you get the link? When I went to the index for that ship this is what I find. I don’t see one by 72Nova. Bill Morrison 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hubac's Historian Posted October 19, 2022 Share #29 Posted October 19, 2022 The build originated under Michael’s old screen name: SafeMaster. He recently changed his screen name to 72Nova. Quote We are all works in progress, all of the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian_Grant Posted October 19, 2022 Share #30 Posted October 19, 2022 And he used to be MichaelD. Perhaps he is dodging the tax man? 😄 Bill97, 72Nova, Veszett Roka and 1 other 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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