Helge Hafstad Posted December 17, 2023 Share #1 Posted December 17, 2023 Have started the Artesania Latina kit for a French built Newfoundland dory. Build wise there are several things I am curious about, for example, that the masts have no stays. Also, the oar being used as a bow-spit to stay the mast forward, when you have the sturdy bow? That said, I've seen references that each dory "skipper" could rig his dory as he liked it. So there could be a lot of variations used. Two masts also seem a complication for a rig that would need to be rigged down for transport on a schooner. If you have information on such dories, please let me know. JacquesCousteau 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helge Hafstad Posted December 17, 2023 Author Share #2 Posted December 17, 2023 Overview of parts ccoyle, davec and JacquesCousteau 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helge Hafstad Posted December 17, 2023 Author Share #3 Posted December 17, 2023 Frames being fitted to the jig. Jigs were actually used to build the real dorys. JpR62, davec, BobG and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helge Hafstad Posted December 17, 2023 Author Share #4 Posted December 17, 2023 Frames are done, and bottom is fitted. davec and JacquesCousteau 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helge Hafstad Posted December 17, 2023 Author Share #5 Posted December 17, 2023 Can you ever have enough clips? 😄 davec and JacquesCousteau 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helge Hafstad Posted December 17, 2023 Author Share #6 Posted December 17, 2023 The bottom planking is being glued on. davec, Papa, JacquesCousteau and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helge Hafstad Posted December 17, 2023 Author Share #7 Posted December 17, 2023 (edited) https://www.culture.gouv.fr/en/Thematic/Museums/Les-musees-en-France/Collections-of-museums-in-France/Discover-the-collections/Doris-Doris The very last French dory is in a museum. https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/grandy-dory-newfoundland-1.6225449 Grand Banks dory Edited December 17, 2023 by Helge Hafstad JacquesCousteau 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JacquesCousteau Posted December 24, 2023 Share #8 Posted December 24, 2023 Looks like you're off to a great start! Helge Hafstad 1 Quote Kits: Model Shipways Dory (1:24) - Finished NRG Half-Hull Planking Kit (1:48) - In-progress Midwest Maine Peapod (1:14) - In-progress Scratch Builds: Xochimilco Trajinera (1:32) - Finished Lake Chapala Canoa de Rancho (1:32) - In-progress Juana y José Cross Section (1:32) - Finished Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helge Hafstad Posted December 24, 2023 Author Share #9 Posted December 24, 2023 Tried to steam to form first, but ended up boiling. Here attached to form and dry. JacquesCousteau and davec 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helge Hafstad Posted December 24, 2023 Author Share #10 Posted December 24, 2023 Now both lower planks are glued on. Tried to check for good alignment, and looked ok. So, I'll see when dry... JacquesCousteau, davec and Knocklouder 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helge Hafstad Posted December 25, 2023 Author Share #11 Posted December 25, 2023 The alignment was not too bad, happy with it as a first build. 🙂 davec and JacquesCousteau 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helge Hafstad Posted December 25, 2023 Author Share #12 Posted December 25, 2023 (edited) The next step is planking. Doing them one at a time with time between for the wood glue to dry. Am using Titebond II, a glue I also use for carpentry. Happy with it. Have measured the plank intervals and marked that on the frame. The twist makes it not quite possible to meet the marks, at least I didn't quite. However, as long as it is equal on both sides - that is not noticeable I think. Edited December 25, 2023 by Helge Hafstad ccoyle, davec, JacquesCousteau and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helge Hafstad Posted January 1 Author Share #13 Posted January 1 The kit has a very basic approach to making the oars. Just a square half-cut and glue. This does not look the least realistic, and I decided to try to improve this. First I tapered the blade to a shallow angle. Used sand paper and tried to make the angles the same. Then I tried to fell inn the shaft and the oar blade to look a lot more like a real oar would. Not unhappy with this as a first attempt, though like most things it could surely be improved. JacquesCousteau and davec 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helge Hafstad Posted January 6 Author Share #14 Posted January 6 A little look at my small "shipyard". The three lights above give good building light, and everything is at hand. Jack12477, davec and JacquesCousteau 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helge Hafstad Posted January 6 Author Share #15 Posted January 6 2nd plank is now mounted on both sides. A small misalignment had to be corrected - and such things make for a good learning experience - which is why I started with this relatively small dory build. davec, JacquesCousteau and Jack12477 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helge Hafstad Posted January 6 Author Share #16 Posted January 6 Deviated from the build direction, as I separated the hull from the jig after the 2nd plank and not after the 3rd. The reason for this is simply that I found there was no room for clamping the plank - not enough opening left. Now I have to take more care in the alignment of the plank, no help from the jig, but clamping is so much easier that (I hope) this counteracts that. davec, Snug Harbor Johnny, GrandpaPhil and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobG Posted January 6 Share #17 Posted January 6 Nice job so far, Helge! This was the very first boat I ever wooden boat model I ever tried to build. I'm not sure that the masts are accurate though and I decided not to add them and just left the dory without them. Quote Bob Garcia "Measure once, cuss twice!" Current Builds: Hms Brig-Sloop Flirt 1782 - Vanguard Models Pen Duick - Artesania Latina 1:28 Completed: Medway Longboat 1742 - Syren Ship Model Co. Member of the Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helge Hafstad Posted January 6 Author Share #18 Posted January 6 43 minutes ago, BobG said: Nice job so far, Helge! This was the very first boat I ever wooden boat model I ever tried to build. I'm not sure that the masts are accurate though and I decided not to add them and just left the dory without them. I've had some mental reservations about the rig as well. The oar used as a bowspit for example, I see no point in it. You have a sturdy stem and a sail to the stay from there. So, why add complexity for little gain and lash fast an oar simply to have a stay further out? I've tried to see if I could find old pictures of a dory rig (two-masted if possible) to use - and modify based on that. BobG and Jack12477 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helge Hafstad Posted January 6 Author Share #19 Posted January 6 Sometimes, when one investigates enough - one finds. The French did sometimes rig their Dorys as the model plan is made - although one sail is missing in the kit. The rig was up to the owner, and a variety of rigs were used. davec, JacquesCousteau, Harvey Golden and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helge Hafstad Posted January 7 Author Share #20 Posted January 7 One question that I've had in mind since the start is; to paint or not to paint? The wood is pretty nice, and as such just a varnish could be nice. On the other hand, in all probability, no dory at that time was ever unpainted. Paint is easy to maintain. Also, I need practice in ship model painting... So, it will be painted. I have a range of Vallejo acrylics, so that is what I'll use. RichieS, Jack12477 and BobG 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helge Hafstad Posted January 7 Author Share #21 Posted January 7 And then with the last plank in place, it is suddenly a boat! Unfinished for sure, but still. 🙂 BobG, JacquesCousteau and Jack12477 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichieS Posted January 8 Share #22 Posted January 8 That planking is looking superb. Well done with the build Helge Hafstad and Jack12477 2 Quote First build: HMS Endeavour's Longboat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helge Hafstad Posted January 11 Author Share #23 Posted January 11 On 1/8/2024 at 9:01 PM, RichieS said: That planking is looking superb. Well done with the build Thank you! I have made a mistake though, on the stem - will cover that in a bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helge Hafstad Posted January 11 Author Share #24 Posted January 11 Painting is slowly getting underway. Off-white inside, with the bottom to be sand yellow and the frames to be burnt umber. My first wood model painting project. Have done old windows (full size), and the patience required for that comes in handy ... 😄 Jack12477, BobG and JacquesCousteau 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helge Hafstad Posted January 13 Author Share #25 Posted January 13 The bow. Not the best part of this model. I sanded flat - as per building instructions, but this is not how it would have been built in real life. Have to see what measures I can take when the stem is on. The stem is being fitted. Had a nutcracker with the right curvature. Boiled the piece and clamped it to the nutcracker. Let it dry, and fitted it. Only a little extra clamping was then required, in an area where clamping is difficult to do without damage. Jack12477 and JacquesCousteau 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helge Hafstad Posted January 13 Author Share #26 Posted January 13 Inside the painting went well. A flat brush really meant for drybrushing had the stiffness and control I wanted, and a thin brush was used for small touch-ups where I was not precise enough. Jack12477 and davec 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helge Hafstad Posted January 13 Author Share #27 Posted January 13 (edited) This is the bow when sanded. From the side it doesn't look too bad (it will be painted ...), but I'm not so sure about the front view. Let me know what you think! Edited January 13 by Helge Hafstad davec and Jack12477 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichieS Posted January 13 Share #28 Posted January 13 That is a significant improvement on the bow. If you are painting, you could use a little filler on the bow to fill the small gaps. Painting looks great. I paint as much as possible as I go along because I tend to get it everywhere no matter how careful I'm trying to be Helge Hafstad and davec 2 Quote First build: HMS Endeavour's Longboat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helge Hafstad Posted January 27 Author Share #29 Posted January 27 Painting the blue on the outside hull. JacquesCousteau, davec and RichieS 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helge Hafstad Posted January 27 Author Share #30 Posted January 27 Blue done. Also, the bow after using putty and sanding a few times. I think this improved the planking transition into the stem a lot. RichieS, BobG, Jack12477 and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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