challenger86 Posted January 2 Share #1 Posted January 2 Hello, I'm in search of any model kits (wooden preferred, but can go plastic) listed below. If anyone has come across anything close that I can purchase, please let me know. Regards, Robert Quote Current build: Duyfken Completed build: NS Mercedes Completed build: HMS Victory Completed build: Bluenose Schooner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Lad Posted January 3 Share #2 Posted January 3 I think you'll be struggling to find a kit resembling either of these ships, Robert. Have you considered having a go at a scratch build? John allanyed, druxey, Nirvana and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nirvana Posted January 3 Share #3 Posted January 3 Robert, Hope this will give you a tiny starting block. The ultimate resource about the Red Star Line: Finland As for Finland I didn't find any drawings of the hull, but since she is a Red Star Line ship, there might sisterships that has the correct measurements. mtaylor 1 Quote Please, visit our Facebook page! Respectfully Per aka Dr. Per@Therapy for Shipaholics Finished: T37, BB Marie Jeanne - located on a shelf in Sweden, 18th Century Longboat, Winchelsea Capstan Current: America by Constructo, Solö Ruff, USS Syren by MS, Bluenose by MS Viking funeral: Harley almost a Harvey Nautical Research Guild Member - 'Taint a hobby if you gotta hurry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaager Posted January 3 Share #4 Posted January 3 (edited) I guess that both have fairly straight forward hulls - easy to carve from mirrored stacks of WL layers - scratch allows for any scale - Even getting adequate plans could be a challenge one lead: Anvers. Red Star Line Museum The collections of the new museum come partly from loans from the Antwerp city museums (Letterenhuis, Plantin-Moretus, MAS, etc.). But the bulk of the objects and documents, managed today by the non-profit organization Friends of the Red Star Line, were originally collected by Robert Vervoort, a retired dockworker and passionate collector of everything associated with the Red Star Line. history of the disappeared shipping company (advertising and administrative prints, ship plans, etc. souvenirs and objects used on board liners, etc.). Monumental triptych by the painter Laermans, The Emigrants (1896) is on loan from the Royal Museum of Fine Arts in Antwerp. Let us also mention a series of works loaned by the Eugeen Van Mieghem Museum, a small private institution dedicated to the memory of this talented Antwerp painter, "people's artist" whose realistic drawings, engravings and paintings immortalize the daily life of port workers and emigrants in his native district, het Eilandje. But, beyond the works of art, documents and period objects, it is the personal testimonies of Red Star Line passengers which constitute the common thread of the museum presentation. As the major construction site of the museum progressed in recent years, the team of researchers from the new institution led an intense campaign to collect testimonies and personal objects from former passengers of the Red Star Line and their descendants, in Europe. like in North America. This campaign made it possible to expand the museum’s initial collection. If the USN had her, perhaps the National Archives has something? file:///C:/Users/Jaager/Downloads/chungosgr-1.0216303.pdf https://test.marinersmuseum.org/search?query=DE GRASSE (STEAMSHIP%3A 1924) Edited January 3 by Jaager mtaylor, allanyed, druxey and 1 other 4 Quote NRG member 45 years Current: HMS Centurion 1732 - 60-gun 4th rate - Navall Timber framing HMS Beagle 1831 refiit 10-gun brig with a small mizzen - Navall (ish) Timber framing The U.S. Ex. Ex. 1838-1842 Flying Fish 1838 pilot schooner - framed - ready for stern timbers Porpose II 1836 brigantine/brig - framed - ready for hawse and stern timbers Vincennes 1825 Sloop-of-War - timbers assembled, need shaping Peacock 1828 Sloop-of -War - timbers ready for assembly Sea Gull 1838 pilot schooner - timbers ready for assembly Relief 1835 ship - timbers ready for assembly Other Portsmouth 1843 Sloop-of-War - timbers ready for assembly Le Commerce de Marseilles 1788 118 cannons - framed La Renommee 1744 Frigate - framed - ready for hawse and stern timbers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Pellett Posted January 3 Share #5 Posted January 3 What you really need to start is either a lines drawing or table of offsets from which you can make your own lines drawing. This is not information that you would likely find in the hands of operators; Steamship companies, shipboard crews, etc. Apparently Finland was built by W. Cramp &Sons, an American Yard near Philadelphia. So, who holds Cramp’s Archives? Maybe Philadelphia’ Franklin Institute? Just a guess. Roger druxey, Nirvana and mtaylor 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amateur Posted January 3 Share #6 Posted January 3 (edited) There are some card-models of liners. Only the famous ones of course: titanic, olympic, mauretania, wilhelm gustlow, carpathia, nomandie. Some more, but they are outside your time-frame I guess. Beautiful ships, nice models, but by no means easy to build. (And quite an other medium compared to wood/plastic) Jan Edited January 3 by amateur catopower, mtaylor and Nirvana 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
challenger86 Posted January 3 Author Share #7 Posted January 3 Thank you everyone for your input! mtaylor and Nirvana 2 Quote Current build: Duyfken Completed build: NS Mercedes Completed build: HMS Victory Completed build: Bluenose Schooner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
challenger86 Posted January 3 Author Share #8 Posted January 3 14 hours ago, Jim Lad said: I think you'll be struggling to find a kit resembling either of these ships, Robert. Have you considered having a go at a scratch build? John Thanks John, I've never scratch built anything yet, I feel this will be a huge undertaking, which I wouldn't know where to start. Thanks. Nirvana and mtaylor 2 Quote Current build: Duyfken Completed build: NS Mercedes Completed build: HMS Victory Completed build: Bluenose Schooner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaager Posted January 3 Share #9 Posted January 3 14 minutes ago, challenger86 said: I wouldn't know where to start. Collect as much data as can be had. If you have enough for a build, decide some basic factors - Waterline or complete hull. Scale. How much detail. Materials. There are books covering waterline steel. Photo etch (PE) can be a big help in fabricating details - in replicate - that previous methods could only wish for. I have no experimental data, but what I have observed with the stability of plastic suggests that parts made using 3D printer plastic will prove to be evanescent. The properties that allow it to be so easily manipulated will be probably be the same properties that make it vulnerable to UV and 02 for continuing polymerization and embrittlement - shedding outer layers until it is a pile of powder. A hull made using clear construction Pine would be about as low cost as it gets. mtaylor and Nirvana 2 Quote NRG member 45 years Current: HMS Centurion 1732 - 60-gun 4th rate - Navall Timber framing HMS Beagle 1831 refiit 10-gun brig with a small mizzen - Navall (ish) Timber framing The U.S. Ex. Ex. 1838-1842 Flying Fish 1838 pilot schooner - framed - ready for stern timbers Porpose II 1836 brigantine/brig - framed - ready for hawse and stern timbers Vincennes 1825 Sloop-of-War - timbers assembled, need shaping Peacock 1828 Sloop-of -War - timbers ready for assembly Sea Gull 1838 pilot schooner - timbers ready for assembly Relief 1835 ship - timbers ready for assembly Other Portsmouth 1843 Sloop-of-War - timbers ready for assembly Le Commerce de Marseilles 1788 118 cannons - framed La Renommee 1744 Frigate - framed - ready for hawse and stern timbers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Posted January 3 Share #10 Posted January 3 marcle models has a large selection in card, that might help towards research or transferring to another medium Marcle Models Card Model KIt Catalogue - Ships, Aircraft, Military Vehicles, Transport, Architecture, Birds, Automata, Figures and Modelling Tools and Accessories. mtaylor 1 Quote Its all part of Kev's journey, bit like going to the dark side, but with the lights on All the best Kevin SAY NO TO PIRACY. SUPPORT ORIGINAL IDEAS AND MANUFACTURERS. KEEP IT REAL! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ On the build table HMS Indefatigable 1794 by Kevin - Vanguard Models - 1:64 - Feb 2023 MHS Britannic by Kevin SD 14 - Marcle Models - 1/70 - March 2022 - Bluebell - Flower Class - Revel - 1/72 U552 German U Boat - Trumpeter - 1/48 Amerigo Vespucci 1/84 - Panart- HMS Enterprise -CAF - 1/48 Finished Hercules by Kevin - OcCre - 1/50 - Tugboat - Finished - May 2024 Nectan-Mountfleet-models-steam-trawler-1/32 - Completed June 2020 HMS Victory - Caldercraft/Jotika - 1/72 - Finished Dorade renamed Dora by Kevin - Amati - 1/20 - Completed March 2021 Stage Coach 1848 - Artesania Latina - 1/10 -Finished Lady Eleanor by Kevin - FINISHED - Vanguard Models - 1/64 - Fifie fishing boat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
challenger86 Posted January 3 Author Share #11 Posted January 3 1 hour ago, Kevin said: marcle models has a large selection in card, that might help towards research or transferring to another medium Marcle Models Card Model KIt Catalogue - Ships, Aircraft, Military Vehicles, Transport, Architecture, Birds, Automata, Figures and Modelling Tools and Accessories. Thanks Kevin, have you done 'card modelling' before? mtaylor 1 Quote Current build: Duyfken Completed build: NS Mercedes Completed build: HMS Victory Completed build: Bluenose Schooner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Posted January 3 Share #12 Posted January 3 i was/am/maybe/ doing their SD14 SD 14 by Kevin - Marcle Models - 1/70 - Full build March 2022 - Page 7 - - Kit build logs for subjects built from 1901 - Present Day - Model Ship World™ mtaylor 1 Quote Its all part of Kev's journey, bit like going to the dark side, but with the lights on All the best Kevin SAY NO TO PIRACY. SUPPORT ORIGINAL IDEAS AND MANUFACTURERS. KEEP IT REAL! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ On the build table HMS Indefatigable 1794 by Kevin - Vanguard Models - 1:64 - Feb 2023 MHS Britannic by Kevin SD 14 - Marcle Models - 1/70 - March 2022 - Bluebell - Flower Class - Revel - 1/72 U552 German U Boat - Trumpeter - 1/48 Amerigo Vespucci 1/84 - Panart- HMS Enterprise -CAF - 1/48 Finished Hercules by Kevin - OcCre - 1/50 - Tugboat - Finished - May 2024 Nectan-Mountfleet-models-steam-trawler-1/32 - Completed June 2020 HMS Victory - Caldercraft/Jotika - 1/72 - Finished Dorade renamed Dora by Kevin - Amati - 1/20 - Completed March 2021 Stage Coach 1848 - Artesania Latina - 1/10 -Finished Lady Eleanor by Kevin - FINISHED - Vanguard Models - 1/64 - Fifie fishing boat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Lad Posted January 3 Share #13 Posted January 3 Don't let the fact that you've never scratch built anything hold you back. At some time or other none of us had never scratch built anything. Just to give you an idea of what can be done, the photo below is of my first ever model - a scratch build of the island trader 'Tautunu'. You first job is to find plans - preferably of the actual ships, otherwise of similar ships, so that you can get the hull lines and some details of the structures. Next come photos; as many as you can find. These will give you a visual impression of what you're building. When it comes to details of the ship, photographs of similar equipment or fittings on a ship of the period can be of immense help. The idea is to 'give it a go'. You'll never know just what you can achieve until you try. And of course you have the vast resources of this forum to help you along the way with advice, instructions and information. John Kevin, Roger Pellett and mtaylor 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
challenger86 Posted January 3 Author Share #14 Posted January 3 41 minutes ago, Jim Lad said: Don't let the fact that you've never scratch built anything hold you back. At some time or other none of us had never scratch built anything. Just to give you an idea of what can be done, the photo below is of my first ever model - a scratch build of the island trader 'Tautunu'. You first job is to find plans - preferably of the actual ships, otherwise of similar ships, so that you can get the hull lines and some details of the structures. Next come photos; as many as you can find. These will give you a visual impression of what you're building. When it comes to details of the ship, photographs of similar equipment or fittings on a ship of the period can be of immense help. The idea is to 'give it a go'. You'll never know just what you can achieve until you try. And of course you have the vast resources of this forum to help you along the way with advice, instructions and information. John Hey John, that was my exact second thought of doing one from scratch, would be fulfilling for sure...That is a very nice build!! mtaylor and Jim Lad 2 Quote Current build: Duyfken Completed build: NS Mercedes Completed build: HMS Victory Completed build: Bluenose Schooner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seamus107 Posted January 4 Share #15 Posted January 4 Scratch building can be very challenging but very rewarding. I tend to choose boats for which there are no kits, so I have had to become a scratch modeler. I agree with John, that research and planning is important. You have to create your own “instruction manual” from plans or drawings before you cut or glue anything. Sometimes the research into the model and discovering the history of the boat you are trying to model are as much fun as the modeling! james Roger Pellett and mtaylor 2 Quote Past projects: Galway hooker; Durham boat; Mayflower shallop; Irish seagoing currach; James Caird; Cornish fishing lugger; Pitcairn Island longboat; Bounty launch. Peace on Earth begins within you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Pellett Posted January 4 Share #16 Posted January 4 Start looking at scratch build logs in the 1900 and later category here on the forum. Pay particular attention to the research done to build the models. While no one is building the exact model that you are thinking of it will give you a good feel for the process. Roger challenger86, mtaylor and Jim Lad 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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