Frank Burroughs Posted April 16 Author Share #31 Posted April 16 I know about the shipping across the ocean. Hismodel bundled all the CSS Alabama accessories together in one order and still shipping was hefty. He added in some extras to lessen the hurt. Is Hismodel a wholesaler, or, does he manufacture also? mtaylor and Canute 2 Quote https://fbinkslinger.net Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottish Guy Posted April 16 Share #32 Posted April 16 32 minutes ago, Bob Cleek said: Check out the link I provided above to the U.S. Amazon and eBay websites and you'll see they are both offering new and used copies. Beyond that, I expect the cost of shipping is prohibitive. Indeed it is available in the US but still not available for me lol It seems sometimes a bit odd that in a "global" world there are still restrictions, despite the cost of postage and customs, to send items around the world. I found this many times with US items but since Brexit more and more often also with European items. I also collect model cars / diecast models (especially Ford CVN in various police versions) but nowadays (since the 2000s most US shops don´t send them over anymore - before that they often sent them even for really low prices but postage took up to 6 weeks). So far about "global" world, we are growing closer... Bob Cleek, Frank Burroughs, mtaylor and 1 other 3 1 Quote "The sea, once it casts its spell, holds one in its net of wonder forever." Jacques - Yves Cousteau. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Current Build: "Roar Ege" by Billing Boats - 1:25 On Hold: n/a Finished: n/a Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaager Posted April 16 Share #33 Posted April 16 Underhill's books appear to be still available from the original publisher's web site in the UK Brown, Son and Ferguson His plans are also there - almost all are later 19th and early 20th century subjects https://www.skipper.co.uk/catalogue/books/page https://www.skipper.co.uk/catalogue/item/masting-and-rigging L 22 https://www.skipper.co.uk/catalogue/item/plank-on-frame-models-and-scale-masting-rigging-volume-1 L 25 https://www.skipper.co.uk/catalogue/item/plank-on-frame-models-and-scale-masting-rigging-volume-2 L 20 https://www.skipper.co.uk/catalogue/item/deep-water-sail L 30 https://www.skipper.co.uk/catalogue/item/sailing-ship-rigs-and-rigging L 16 Both ANCRE books are " available" as written, the shipping is so high that I will no longer consider any purchase. They need a US agent, and not one focused on avarice - cough NIP cough https://ancre.fr/en/14-basic-books AN INTRODUCTION TO PLANKED ON FRAME SCALE MODEL SHIP BUILDING AN INTRODUCTION TO PLANKED ON FRAME SCALE MODEL SHIP BUILDING “DOCKYARD STYLE” An introduction to Planked on frame model ship building through more than 200 pages illustrated by approximately 500 colour photographs and captions. This guide includes explanations on all the techniques used during the construction of a model. EAN : 9791096873920 Model MODELA En stock Print Author : Adrian SOROLLA translation by GILLES KORENT 49 Euro The Art of Shipmodeling - Bernard Frolich The Art of Shipmodeling describes the author's experience and methods in 300 pages abundantly illustrated with numerous drawings, sketchs and more than 600 commentated photos. Model LART En stock Print Author : Bernard Frölich 89 Euro Frank Burroughs, Canute, Scottish Guy and 1 other 3 1 Quote NRG member 50 years Current: NMS HMS Ajax 1767 - 74-gun 3rd rate - 1:192 POF exploration - works but too intense -no margin for error HMS Centurion 1732 - 60-gun 4th rate - POF Navall Timber framing HMS Beagle 1831 refiit 10-gun brig with a small mizzen - POF Navall (ish) Timber framing The U.S. Ex. Ex. 1838-1842 Flying Fish 1838 pilot schooner - POF framed - ready for stern timbers Porpose II 1836 brigantine/brig - POF framed - ready for hawse and stern timbers Vincennes 1825 Sloop-of-War - POF timbers assembled, need shaping Peacock 1828 Sloop-of -War - POF timbers ready for assembly Sea Gull 1838 pilot schooner - POF timbers ready for assembly Relief 1835 packet hull USN ship - POF timbers ready for assembly Other Portsmouth 1843 Sloop-of-War - POF timbers ready for assembly Le Commerce de Marseilles 1788 118 cannons - POF framed La Renommee 1744 Frigate - POF framed - ready for hawse and stern timbers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Burroughs Posted April 16 Author Share #34 Posted April 16 I bought the last copy at Amazon! Canute and mtaylor 2 Quote https://fbinkslinger.net Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottish Guy Posted April 16 Share #35 Posted April 16 9 minutes ago, Jaager said: The Art of Shipmodeling - Bernard Frolich The Art of Shipmodeling describes the author's experience and methods in 300 pages abundantly illustrated with numerous drawings, sketchs and more than 600 commentated photos. Model LART En stock Print Author : Bernard Frölich 89 Euro When I chose this one, they only charge EUR 9.00 for shipping (which I doubt when I enter a UK address) and there is no customs fee included yet. But I´m considering it since form the US they don´t send it to me or with double the price of the book (also customs fees not included yet). Canute, Frank Burroughs and mtaylor 3 Quote "The sea, once it casts its spell, holds one in its net of wonder forever." Jacques - Yves Cousteau. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Current Build: "Roar Ege" by Billing Boats - 1:25 On Hold: n/a Finished: n/a Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Burroughs Posted April 16 Author Share #36 Posted April 16 Plank-On-Frame Models and Scale Masting and Rigging by Harold a. Underhill found for free on Scribd. The rest have to wait. Looks like beans and biscuits for a few months before another spree like this. mtaylor, Canute and Scottish Guy 3 Quote https://fbinkslinger.net Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtaylor Posted April 16 Share #37 Posted April 16 Just a note on the Frolich book.... it is more for French ships than U:S or English as there are some differences in ship design and all the equipment just as gun rigging, stoves, crew accommodations, etc, Having said that...it is a great reference and well worth at least a read. Scottish Guy, Canute, Frank Burroughs and 1 other 4 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Burroughs Posted April 16 Author Share #38 Posted April 16 Well, I am a long way from building the Soleil Royal, and is a century before the era of my interest. That being said, I look forward to expanding my knowledge. Reading has become the number one use of my time. Then while gluing and painting these pages are mulled over. This is a rich hobby with a wealth of books. Rather be broke with a new vision then unaware of what is out there. Scottish Guy, Bob Cleek, Canute and 2 others 5 Quote https://fbinkslinger.net Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Burroughs Posted April 20 Author Share #39 Posted April 20 "Remaking the World: Modeling in Human Experience" by James King looks interesting. Used for $42 Scottish Guy, Harvey Golden, mtaylor and 1 other 4 Quote https://fbinkslinger.net Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Burroughs Posted April 20 Author Share #40 Posted April 20 The Art of Shipmodeling - Bernard Frolich This arrived today. Fantastic ! This something to aim for. allanyed, Canute, Bob Cleek and 2 others 5 Quote https://fbinkslinger.net Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottish Guy Posted April 21 Share #41 Posted April 21 14 hours ago, Frank Burroughs said: This arrived today. Fantastic ! This something to aim for. I´m happy for you, I still can´t get hold of it, at least not for a reasonable price atm. If I want to spend USD 200 it`s fine but I´m not willing to spend that much atm for a book, I would rather spend it in a new kit or some tools (I still have to fill up the garage with some nice tools ^^ ) Micha mtaylor, Canute and Frank Burroughs 3 Quote "The sea, once it casts its spell, holds one in its net of wonder forever." Jacques - Yves Cousteau. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Current Build: "Roar Ege" by Billing Boats - 1:25 On Hold: n/a Finished: n/a Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Burroughs Posted April 21 Author Share #42 Posted April 21 1 hour ago, Scottish Guy said: I would rather spend it in a new kit or some tools Since I know so little of what can be achieved, a book on the art of model building gives me a notion of what can be. I have enough tools and kits to start the journey . That said, just bought French Steam and Sail Paddlewheeler L'Orenoque Mamoli | No. MV23 | 1:100. Goes with the french book, right! Scottish Guy, mtaylor and Canute 3 Quote https://fbinkslinger.net Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knocklouder Posted April 21 Share #43 Posted April 21 On 4/14/2024 at 7:19 AM, VTHokiEE said: I can only give you my experience with the second book. I bought Ship Modeling Simplified: Tips and Techniques for Model construction from Kits by Frank Mastini when I was getting my first kit because it seemed to be highly recommended. The book wasn’t expensive but I didn’t really use it very much and I only read about a 3rd of it. This forum simply provided more knowledge in a more searchable form than I found in the book. The forum has great examples of so many components of construction in build logs and many general questions answered in the other forum areas that I passed the book along to make room for others in my library. I was the lucky guy who attained these books . Thanks so much. I inherited 3 other books . Now there should be no reason not to rig my next ship correctly lol. I would say get as many books as you can . Some have great pictures of what we need . Bob M. mtaylor, Canute, VTHokiEE and 2 others 5 Quote Start so you can Finish !! Finished: The Sea of Galilee Boat-Scott Miller-1:20 , Amati } Hannah Ship in a Bottle:Santa Maria : LA Pinta : La Nana : The Mayflower : Viking Ship Drakkar The King Of the Mississippi Artesania Latina 1:80 Current Build: Royal Yacht, Duchess of Kingston-Vanguard Models Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottish Guy Posted April 21 Share #44 Posted April 21 15 minutes ago, Knocklouder said: I was the lucky guy who attained these books . Thanks so much. I inherited 3 other books . Hi Bob, that´s quiet a collection. I´m not even close to this amount of books. I have some but not that many and not those specific books for model building. I think I have to start my own little "library". Thank you for sharing. Micha mtaylor, Canute and GrandpaPhil 3 Quote "The sea, once it casts its spell, holds one in its net of wonder forever." Jacques - Yves Cousteau. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Current Build: "Roar Ege" by Billing Boats - 1:25 On Hold: n/a Finished: n/a Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Burroughs Posted April 22 Author Share #45 Posted April 22 Of course had to buy a second french ship model. the French Steam and Sail Paddlewheeler L'Orenoque Mamoli | No. MV23 | 1:100 fits into the era interested in. Please, do not recommend an Italian ship model book. I can not afford the models. Scottish Guy, mtaylor and Canute 2 1 Quote https://fbinkslinger.net Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottish Guy Posted April 22 Share #46 Posted April 22 I received today “Plank-on-Frame Models” Vol.1 and 2 by H.A. Underhill. The dust cover looks a bit rotten but the books itself are still in a good condition. It’s the 4th print from 1968 (same age as me lol) and they were only GBP 7.90 both together. I think that’s a fair price. I hope they will become a good source of knowledge and inspiration. Micha Frank Burroughs, robert952, trippwj and 4 others 7 Quote "The sea, once it casts its spell, holds one in its net of wonder forever." Jacques - Yves Cousteau. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Current Build: "Roar Ege" by Billing Boats - 1:25 On Hold: n/a Finished: n/a Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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