Lе Rochefort 1787 by moreplovac - scale 1/36 - port yacht

[Tonphil1960]

I used the Hahn method for frames and have spend many hours on my LeRo and in the end I’m going to scrap the entire project. I made serious mistakes in haste because I didn’t want to cut each frame piece individually. The joints of the frames keel and keelson are very very  critical. I succeeded with my Blandford section by doing the frames piece by piece and the correct way. I didn’t want to spend the time doing it on this model with bad results.  By all means glue up the frames over the template leave them all

larger all around and sand to shape.  I’d hate to see you in the position I am in.  

[moreplovac]

Thanks Tonphil1960, appreciate your comment

I am just experimenting with Hann' method for one or two frames. I already cut all my frame parts, sanded them to correct thickness and spent some number of hours working on them so will continue following Rochefort practicum.

Wanted to see how this will work since people are talking about a lot :-).

 

 

[Tonphil1960]

Yes understood. I can see doing it but I’d didn’t work out for me. Good luck 

[moreplovac]

Not putting too much hopes into but want to try...

[moreplovac]

Now it is time to start making some frames, finally... I might jump on another part of a ship while waiting for glue to dry... 

I gave up on glass as a foundation to work on, since the distance between plan and actually frame (sitting on glass) is several millimetres which can cause me mis-positioning of frames, etc so I ended up "stealing" cooking paper (very handy, non sticking paper) and place it on top of copy of a plan, which was cut in strips, having only one row of frames visible. The plan was fixed on piece of bright white wood, from kitchen door I bough in Ikea, as-is. Very handy, perfectly flat with that blue protective paper still on the door finish. 
Door was glued to two scrap pieces of wood, so I can squeeze under it my long jaw clamps. On top of a plan, I fixed parchment paper. Plan is very visible and parchment paper allows you to squeeze frames, with glue without stickiness. I believe it is betted than glass in that area. CA can easily stick to the glass but it will not stick to paper, at least in my experience. For glueing I am using mostly white glue but on some parts CA as well.


Frame 10 with all parts is ready...

I also measured distance between frame sides so will try keeping it as close as possible to measured distances. I measured on two areas:

So.... here we are..

And final glueing and drying...

Another one done, using the same method..



Three done so far; might need to speed up process but missing proper clamps... Yet another time for me, the truth become more truth again: don't buy cheap tools, including clamps...I had 10 on those black clamps (above photo), very affordable price, but when I start using them, only 5 were usable; I was unable to open clamps to use them so they ended up on "I might use this sometime for something else" pile of scrap things.

Happy modelling..

[moreplovac]

 

With current frame assembly method, I cannot see the template on one side of frames so I extended a line on plan and also marked the same line on the frame pieces that are finish up at the top. The line is actually inside sanding marking line so I can measure distance as accurate as possible and getting desired results. Trying to achieve the least amount of rebuild as possible...

Also, the line is traced on the timber and half timber to make sure we are on the spot..

I also have another approach of frame assembly and will see how this goes but will stick with what practicum suggested: floor timber and half floor timber glued together on the keel and rest of frame parts added lately.

Frames are keep piling up..

Happy modelling...

[moreplovac]

Frame build work continues...

Testing frame #16..

It fits perfectly but the middle line on a template does not align with a keel, not to worry, this is additional template (for sanding) I put on but will replace it with correct one. This one does not fit the frames, moved to the right 2mm approximately...


Pile of frames keeps pilling up...

Some parts needed to be redone; some are gone missing somewhere, or stolen by my cat, or will just be located when I start cleaning up my hobby room; anyhow, usage of old parts is there..

Shhh, don't tell anyone, some of frames will be "simulating" edges, like we do for deck planking, simulating planks, out of one long plank... I would call it "using different techniques for frame build"... Did not follow the gran on purpose for those one, just want to see how this works.. if does not work, will re-do correctly..

Happy modelling..

[moreplovac]

OK, parts are cut from the board and ready for raw sanding..



Sanding is done, now correct thickness was achieved buy running each piece thru mini table saw..
There is always a lots of leftovers, that can be reused somewhere on scratch build project..



And saw dust as well.. looks like chocolate..



Parts are ready for assembly..



Happy modelling..

[Tonphil1960]

Good progress. Move slowly and carefully and you'll be fine. Not as easy assembly. 

[moreplovac]

 

As per practicum, frames from 5 - 24 are built; #7 is in drying process at this moment...

Just curious to put them on... they are not fixed yet to the keel, nor adjusted so some of them are a bit out of line..


Next is a nice amount of sanding... then rest of the frames...

Happy modelling..

[Mike Y]

Taking shape!  

[moreplovac]

Sanding, sanding, sanding and more sanding.... nothing interesting to report... still working on frames... final sanding to come..


To break a routine, and to keep this build interested (and not to jump on Xebec' kit), started to work on fashion pieces.... 

They are attached to the ship but with some final sanding done in a later stages...

Then I started to work on stern solid filling timber... made out of three pieces.. This piece requires lots of carving so proper position of a template on the wood is crucial for easy carving and good results.

OK, now, time for few more frames..

Happy modelling.

[No Idea]

Nice work and actually I think you have quite a lot to report.  Building ships - even small ships take time and patience to get right.  Lovely work mate and if it helps I found the fashion pieces very very hard to get right with nice contact to all of the relevant parts.  Keep the update coming!

[moreplovac]

1 hour ago, No Idea said:

Nice work and actually I think you have quite a lot to report.  Building ships - even small ships take time and patience to get right.  Lovely work mate and if it helps I found the fashion pieces very very hard to get right with nice contact to all of the relevant parts.  Keep the update coming!

Yeah, thanks.. it is taking quite some time to have all parts lining up correctly for fashion piece... Not sure I will be able to achieve your "contact" level but will try my best.. these are really small parts and with big fingers it is fairly hard to keep them in hands while carving, without use of bandages 🙂 at the end..

[moreplovac]

 

Getting there, few more frames to be built and then funny part of careful sanding and mounting on the keel will begin...

With some failed attempts for whatever reason, think I have enough parts to make a LR cross section 😁

Happy modelling..

[moreplovac]

A little bit of a progress ...

Created (updated) building board a bit, decided to use double-tape to hold the keel in place; so far works ok..


Lego parts were returned to the original owner after huge fight and lots off tears and replaced with regular wood scrap... same idea here as well, few layer of double tape to hold the keel ..

 

Stern solid filling timber was giving me some hard time and after two failed attempts and following practicum steps, I managed to get it correct with some extra wood for further, final shaping..

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Happy modelling..

[moreplovac]

Rising wood filing pieces were made out of one long part, groove cut to the appropriate depth on Proxxon saw and 6.8mm length was cut on slicer.

First pair of frames were put in place.. with rising wood filler piece in between.


Happy modelling..

[moreplovac]

 

Once frame is roughly shaped/sanded, pilling off template was very easy with a little help of a water to soften the glue...


Rising wood filling piece was also made and installed on the keel..

Does not quite fit properly so replacement will be made but the main concept is the same..


Floor timber chocks also assembled...


Frame assembly progress.... hardly waiting for a final sanding to give it a nice shape...

Main supervisor arrived after spending Christmas break...



Happy modelling..

[moreplovac]

I few more frames added...

Happy modelling..

[Mike Y]

Looks nice and smooth, fairly well aligned now!  

Hope you are installing the frames in the jig / build board, not freehanding it (and it's just for a nicer photo)? Otherwise an accumulated error would creep and likely result in a twisted hull...

[moreplovac]

Correct, with jig, this is just for picture taking, to show progress a bit clearly..

 

Regards, 

 

 

[moreplovac]

If you are already in 2025, wishing you a best of luck, good health and prosperous New Year... and of course, lots of newly built models..

Happy modelling in 2025 to all...

[moreplovac]

A little bit of a progress, two more frames to go...

Happy modelling..

[moreplovac]

Few sanding days for my LR.... lots of dust so I had to find a better place (more ventilation) than my current workbench to safely remove wood...
Slow progress, discovered few mistakes I will need to take care of but overall decent progress so far... but it is soooo slow.... and need to sty focused..

Testing planking on hull' external..

 

Question for you guys... on plan #5, 6 hawse timbers were presented, but only 5 were numbered.. Practicum mentioned work on #1 then down the text mentioned that bigger timber (#1, not marked as #1 on plan) was used..

On picture bellow it appears that smaller #1 was in use:


So, which one we need to use: bigger, not numbered #1 or smaller, numbered #1?

Also, when it comes to planking, are you guys doing double planking for external hull?

[No Idea]

Hi You use the smaller one 👍

 

If you look at the drawing there is a double arrow pointing towards it - I had exactly the same question as you did when I arrived at this point in the build.  There is also another drawing which will help you with the curvature of the hawse timbers.

 

Le Rochefort is a single planked ship and not double planked

 

I hope this helps you  - Mark  

[moreplovac]

Excellent, thank you Mark.