J T Lombard Posted April 25, 2016 Share #391 Posted April 25, 2016 Vince Looking better every day! Where did you find the cradle that is holding your ship? regards J GLakie and mtaylor 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pirozzi Posted April 27, 2016 Author Share #392 Posted April 27, 2016 Vince Looking better every day! Where did you find the cradle that is holding your ship? regards J Hi JT, I was looking at a build log by Anja on this site years ago and noticed she had her ship clamped on a nice little stand and it was marked made by Dremel. I contacted them and was told that the mini work station was discontinued several years ago and no longer available in the US. It was however still available in Europe. I found a supply house in Germany through the Amazon website and ordered it through them. It is a great tool and I use it a lot. Vince P. GLakie and mtaylor 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith_W Posted May 3, 2016 Share #393 Posted May 3, 2016 (edited) Hi Vince, I am working on the same area of the ship as you at the moment. I thought I would drop in a note to remind you to drill holes for your gammoning. I note that you have installed the lower set of decorations minus the gammoning hole. There should also be another gammon hole just inside the railings. This will be almost impossible for you to install if you do the beakhead railings first. Sorry if you were already planning to do this, but I thought that I should give you a reminder in case you didn't realize this. (edit) oops, just saw the gammoning hole! Edited May 3, 2016 by KeithW mtaylor 1 Quote Regards, Keith 2007 (completed): HMS Bounty - Artesania Latina 2013 (completed): Viking Ship Drakkar - Amati 2014 (completed): HMS Bounty Launch - Model Shipways Current: HMS Royal William - Euromodel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pirozzi Posted May 7, 2016 Author Share #394 Posted May 7, 2016 Hi Vince, I am working on the same area of the ship as you at the moment. I thought I would drop in a note to remind you to drill holes for your gammoning. I note that you have installed the lower set of decorations minus the gammoning hole. There should also be another gammon hole just inside the railings. This will be almost impossible for you to install if you do the beakhead railings first. Sorry if you were already planning to do this, but I thought that I should give you a reminder in case you didn't realize this. (edit) oops, just saw the gammoning hole! Hi Keith, Yes I remembered to cut the holes. There are 2 holes, one in the decorations and another higher up on the stem. The one on the stem has not been posted yet. Thanks for looking out for me. It won't be the first time I forgot to do something critical until too late. Vince P. DenPink and mtaylor 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pirozzi Posted May 11, 2016 Author Share #395 Posted May 11, 2016 The stem decorations in place. Vince P. marktiedens and Keith_W 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pirozzi Posted May 11, 2016 Author Share #396 Posted May 11, 2016 Placing the lower head rails. Vince P. Keith_W, mtaylor, garym and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pirozzi Posted May 11, 2016 Author Share #397 Posted May 11, 2016 The upper and lower head rails completed. Vince P. zoly99sask, DenPink, Keith_W and 4 others 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DenPink Posted May 11, 2016 Share #398 Posted May 11, 2016 Hi Vince All I can say is WOW just wonderful workmanship. Denis. mtaylor 1 Quote Complete: Sovereign of the Seas - Mantua 1:78 scale Current build: Euro Model "Royal William" Scale 1:72 HMS "Revenge" Victory Model (Amati) Scale 1:64 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J T Lombard Posted May 12, 2016 Share #399 Posted May 12, 2016 Vince: What is that devise in the front left corner of your work bench? Royal William is looking great!!! regards J Keith_W and mtaylor 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pirozzi Posted May 12, 2016 Author Share #400 Posted May 12, 2016 Vince: What is that devise in the front left corner of your work bench? Royal William is looking great!!! regards J Hi J, That is a little metal roller press that is used to bend planks and soft metal without the use of heat. In most cases you don't even need to soak the wood. Just adjust the rollers for the thickness you want and run the material through by cranking the handle. It does a very nice job of evenly bending. If the wood is particularly thick or hard, a little soaking first helps. For hull planks, you don't need soaking at all. I used it with the Royal William for all of the planks and even the heavy wales. I got it from Micro-Mark. Vince P. mtaylor, Fam and J T Lombard 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J T Lombard Posted May 13, 2016 Share #401 Posted May 13, 2016 Vince Thanks for your explanation. If it works that well I think I'll open up my Micro-Mark catalog & order one J mtaylor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piratepete007 Posted May 13, 2016 Share #402 Posted May 13, 2016 Looked at the Micro-Mark catalogue - the bender looks like a little beauty. It handles widths up to 2 1/4 inches (57 mm.) and thicknesses up to 1/8 inch (or 3 mm.). Pete mtaylor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith_W Posted May 13, 2016 Share #403 Posted May 13, 2016 Vince: What is that devise in the front left corner of your work bench? Royal William is looking great!!! regards J Wow, sharp eyes. Another tool to add to my "must acquire" list. mtaylor 1 Quote Regards, Keith 2007 (completed): HMS Bounty - Artesania Latina 2013 (completed): Viking Ship Drakkar - Amati 2014 (completed): HMS Bounty Launch - Model Shipways Current: HMS Royal William - Euromodel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marktiedens Posted May 13, 2016 Share #404 Posted May 13, 2016 I also have one of those,but haven`t used it yet - keep forgetting I have it . Mark mtaylor 1 Quote current build - HMS Vanguard - Model Shipways Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pirozzi Posted May 27, 2016 Author Share #405 Posted May 27, 2016 Still working on the bow area. There are 2 small utility ports that must be added before they are covered up by the head railings. I made one partially open. Vince P. Kevin, Tadeusz43, marktiedens and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pirozzi Posted May 27, 2016 Author Share #406 Posted May 27, 2016 Finishing up with adding the remainder of the head rails. After placing the rails, I noticed that the top rail was curved so that it was way out from the lower rails. This would make the head timbers uneven and at a impractical angle. I had to remove the top rails and completely rebend them so they followed the curve of the lower rails more closely. Since they were already painted, using a torch was not a good idea. I had to bend them by hand, very carefully and slowly so as not to break them. The last photo shows the top rail hugging the hull more closely. Another mistake I learned from. Installing the rails from the bottom up would make more sense. Vince P. rtropp, marktiedens, mtaylor and 5 others 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J T Lombard Posted May 28, 2016 Share #407 Posted May 28, 2016 Looking good Vince. J mtaylor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piratepete007 Posted May 28, 2016 Share #408 Posted May 28, 2016 Vince, you have experienced that 'Euromodel challenge' in producing those rails - and what a great job you have done. This is what sets Euromodel 'kits' apart from so many others. The opportunity to put your own interpretation into the build and not having to do everything in a lock-step method... and this is what you are doing. Interestingly, I had to assist a person from Sydney through his Euromodel build - which he completed; he then thought that was enough of Euromodel, went on to another manufacturer and a standard kit, got bored with it and went back and bought another Euromodel 'kit'. He missed that unique challenge ! That is why I, and many others, are following your build with great interest. We like to see how your own individual approach evolves. Keep at it and keep posting. Pete mtaylor and marktiedens 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith_W Posted May 28, 2016 Share #409 Posted May 28, 2016 Good work, Vince. Please note that the gratings need to be installed as well. I have been studying the curvature of the topmost rail, and I suspect that yours curves a little too far down to accept the gratings when it comes time to install them. From what I can tell, the top railings should be approximately at the level of the bowsprit. I am away from home at the moment so I can't check my plans, but that is what I remember. mtaylor 1 Quote Regards, Keith 2007 (completed): HMS Bounty - Artesania Latina 2013 (completed): Viking Ship Drakkar - Amati 2014 (completed): HMS Bounty Launch - Model Shipways Current: HMS Royal William - Euromodel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piratepete007 Posted May 29, 2016 Share #410 Posted May 29, 2016 (edited) Vince, pretty difficult to assess the position of your top rail from the photos above but I thought I would throw in the attached photo which could/ should serve as a guide to the top rail/ grate positioning. The photo does not clearly show the fact that the grate frame is almost totally above the top rail mid-way along. The drawings in side view do not show any of that frame - it seems to me that some will be visible however the rail is curved. In the end, you have to go with what you produce. I have a large data bank of photos to assist in your interpretation of this ship, so if there is any hiccup, send me a PM and I could send a few photos. Pete Edited May 29, 2016 by piratepete007 Keith_W, marktiedens, DenPink and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pirozzi Posted June 1, 2016 Author Share #411 Posted June 1, 2016 Good work, Vince. Please note that the gratings need to be installed as well. I have been studying the curvature of the topmost rail, and I suspect that yours curves a little too far down to accept the gratings when it comes time to install them. From what I can tell, the top railings should be approximately at the level of the bowsprit. I am away from home at the moment so I can't check my plans, but that is what I remember. Hi Keith, You are correct about the level of the gratings. Having had to consider so many things in bending and installing the top rails more than once, I was bound to miss something. The gratings will be a little bit lower as a result. I am not going to remove the rails again and try to rebend them at this point. I think it will look OK in the end, I hope. Vince P. mtaylor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg the peg leg sailor Posted June 1, 2016 Share #412 Posted June 1, 2016 G'day Vince Incredible work on the bow section! Don't worry if the grating is a bit low. What you've done is top - notched. These difference makes your RW unique and it's your signature on this wonderful model. As Keith's model is different from yours and others, so are all of the other Euromodel's RW models because I believe that's the secret why these kits are so popular and challenging. Havagooday my friend Greg [ Quote "Nothing is impossible, it's only what limitations that you put on yourself make it seems impossible! " Current log : The Royal Yacht Royal Caroline 1749 1:32 by Greg Ashwood:... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith_W Posted June 2, 2016 Share #413 Posted June 2, 2016 As Keith's model is different from yours and others, so are all of the other Euromodel's RW models because I believe that's the secret why these kits are so popular and challenging. I wouldn't call it "popular" ... compare how many Royal Williams (or even Euromodel kits) there are on MSW. Now do a count of Caldercraft Victory kits (that's what I call "popular"!). When you are done with that, do a count of Vasa's, Royal Carolines, Caldercraft Agamemnons, and Cutty Sarks. There are a total of three active RW logs and two dormant ones. marktiedens and mtaylor 2 Quote Regards, Keith 2007 (completed): HMS Bounty - Artesania Latina 2013 (completed): Viking Ship Drakkar - Amati 2014 (completed): HMS Bounty Launch - Model Shipways Current: HMS Royal William - Euromodel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Posted June 2, 2016 Share #414 Posted June 2, 2016 lovely work, I must admit, from what I have seen, that I made the right decision in not going for this kit, not with my skill levels as they are, well done mtaylor 1 Quote Its all part of Kev's journey, bit like going to the dark side, but with the lights on All the best Kevin SAY NO TO PIRACY. SUPPORT ORIGINAL IDEAS AND MANUFACTURERS. KEEP IT REAL! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ On the build table HMS Indefatigable 1794 by Kevin - Vanguard Models - 1:64 - Feb 2023 MHS Britannic by Kevin SD 14 - Marcle Models - 1/70 - March 2022 - Bluebell - Flower Class - Revel - 1/72 U552 German U Boat - Trumpeter - 1/48 Amerigo Vespucci 1/84 - Panart- HMS Enterprise -CAF - 1/48 Finished Hercules by Kevin - OcCre - 1/50 - Tugboat - Finished - May 2024 Nectan-Mountfleet-models-steam-trawler-1/32 - Completed June 2020 HMS Victory - Caldercraft/Jotika - 1/72 - Finished Dorade renamed Dora by Kevin - Amati - 1/20 - Completed March 2021 Stage Coach 1848 - Artesania Latina - 1/10 -Finished Lady Eleanor by Kevin - FINISHED - Vanguard Models - 1/64 - Fifie fishing boat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piratepete007 Posted June 2, 2016 Share #415 Posted June 2, 2016 (edited) Actually, Kevin and others, the Euromodel kits uniquely allow you to work at many different levels of difficulty. What you are seeing on MSW are some very skilled builders - like KeithW - who are 'pushing the boundaries' and thoroughly enjoying what they do. So what is presented is not the standard level of build. Their work in milling out the windows is a high skill level BUT many, many completed Euromodel ships (and others) simply have the solid window panes painted over. It does not have to be complicated ! Have a look at the Euromodel photo gallery and you will see what I mean - every ship is shown there in quite some detail. I don't think any of those displayed models have their windows milled out. There are just so many things you could do to enhance these models. While on their site, notice they are having a really big discount on all their models. Pete Edited June 3, 2016 by piratepete007 kumamax, marktiedens, DenPink and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Posted June 3, 2016 Share #416 Posted June 3, 2016 Its nice Actually, Kevin and others, the Euromodel kits uniquely allow you to work at many different levels of difficulty. What you are seeing on MSW are some very skilled builders - like KeithW - who are 'pushing the boundaries' and thoroughly enjoying what they do. So what is presented is not the standard level of build. Their work in milling out the windows is a high skill level BUT many, many completed Euromodel ships (and others) simply have the solid window panes painted over. It does not have to be complicated ! Have a look at the Euromodel photo gallery and you will see what I mean - every ship is shown there in quite some detail. I don't think any of those displayed models have their windows milled out. There are just so many things you could do to enhance these models. While on their site, notice they are having a really big discount on all their models. Pete Good morning Pete It is nice to see their offer is back on, unfortunately i may never have the opportunity to build another 1st rate, and still have quite a lot to do on my present one, I just had the big choice at the start to do one or the other Quote Its all part of Kev's journey, bit like going to the dark side, but with the lights on All the best Kevin SAY NO TO PIRACY. SUPPORT ORIGINAL IDEAS AND MANUFACTURERS. KEEP IT REAL! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ On the build table HMS Indefatigable 1794 by Kevin - Vanguard Models - 1:64 - Feb 2023 MHS Britannic by Kevin SD 14 - Marcle Models - 1/70 - March 2022 - Bluebell - Flower Class - Revel - 1/72 U552 German U Boat - Trumpeter - 1/48 Amerigo Vespucci 1/84 - Panart- HMS Enterprise -CAF - 1/48 Finished Hercules by Kevin - OcCre - 1/50 - Tugboat - Finished - May 2024 Nectan-Mountfleet-models-steam-trawler-1/32 - Completed June 2020 HMS Victory - Caldercraft/Jotika - 1/72 - Finished Dorade renamed Dora by Kevin - Amati - 1/20 - Completed March 2021 Stage Coach 1848 - Artesania Latina - 1/10 -Finished Lady Eleanor by Kevin - FINISHED - Vanguard Models - 1/64 - Fifie fishing boat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pirozzi Posted June 10, 2016 Author Share #417 Posted June 10, 2016 OK, a question for all Royal William builders. See the attached photo.... It is a metal part included in the Euro kit with a number of "11155". What is it?? Can't find anything on the plans or drawings even mentioning this. I believe it has something to do with the bow ornaments since the number is in the sequence for the parts there. HELP! Vince P. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Morrison Posted June 10, 2016 Share #418 Posted June 10, 2016 I am also going to follow this build very closely. I have always been interested in this ship, and am saving for it. It may take years, but . . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marktiedens Posted June 10, 2016 Share #419 Posted June 10, 2016 Hi Vince - I have that piece also & don`t know where it goes. You might try asking Pete - if anyone knows,it would be him. Mark Quote current build - HMS Vanguard - Model Shipways Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piratepete007 Posted June 10, 2016 Share #420 Posted June 10, 2016 Mark, I am on the track of that one but everything except my computer is packed away for a shift a few thousand kilometres away - plans, ships, parts, everything !! Its got me tricked temporarily but I WILL get the answer. Pete marktiedens 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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