alde Posted March 8, 2014 #31 Posted March 8, 2014 Very nice work. It looks great. I have always liked the lines of these boats and your is building into a beauty. Quote The heart is happiest when the head and the hands work together. Al Current Builds: HMS Halifax 1/48 POF Lumberyard Kit Model Shipways Glad Tidings Acoustic Guitar Build FINISHED
timo4352 Posted March 8, 2014 Author #32 Posted March 8, 2014 Thank you, I'm really enjoying the build. I working on the spars now and wanted to share something I've learned. Those that have already built this boat have been there before, but there is something a first timer like me should look out for -- The plans call for drilling 1/16" holes through the boom, and at the aft end you can see that is nearly impossible as you would have but a hair's width of wood left on either side of the hole. I've attached a couple pics to show what I mean. This build is teaching me that there is lots of patience and some critical thinking is involved before you just do something - like follow the directions in this instance - You really have to think ahead. I think Midwest ought to change the plans to reflect this especially as this is marketed as a beginner kit. I'm pretty sure that won't happen just because I think it should, but other newbies like me should look out for it. On another note - this boat carried a lot of sail! Must have been a pretty powerful vessel. Good thing there is a couple reefs on that sail. Tim Quote Tim "That's a fine looking pair of oars you got there, Sir"" 'em aint 'ores --- that's me wife and me daughter! " Current build: Glad Tidings Pinky Schooner Past builds: 1:1 Stick-Up Sharpie Build Muscongus Bay Lobster Smack by Timo4352 - Midwest Products - SMALL - First time builder Gunning Dory sail & oar boat 1:1 Future Build: Scratch built Mower Dory - scale undetermined yet another future build: Martha - Chesapeake draketail
alde Posted March 8, 2014 #33 Posted March 8, 2014 I would go for a smaller drill. As small as will allow your line to go through. Or you could just seize the line to the spar. Quote The heart is happiest when the head and the hands work together. Al Current Builds: HMS Halifax 1/48 POF Lumberyard Kit Model Shipways Glad Tidings Acoustic Guitar Build FINISHED
timo4352 Posted March 8, 2014 Author #34 Posted March 8, 2014 Oh, I did use a smaller drill for that. But, I wish I would have measured the cotter pins with my calipers first, before I drilled the other 1/16" holes too - they are a bit oversize - but I think I can make the difference up with some thicker glue - I'll epoxy them if I have to. I'm glad to be learning some of these things on this cheaper model first before I start on the Pinky. Tim PS - speaking of the Pinky - Model Expo has it on a special sale for 70 bucks now. I've got a sale code for it in my email. Anybody want to build one with me? Quote Tim "That's a fine looking pair of oars you got there, Sir"" 'em aint 'ores --- that's me wife and me daughter! " Current build: Glad Tidings Pinky Schooner Past builds: 1:1 Stick-Up Sharpie Build Muscongus Bay Lobster Smack by Timo4352 - Midwest Products - SMALL - First time builder Gunning Dory sail & oar boat 1:1 Future Build: Scratch built Mower Dory - scale undetermined yet another future build: Martha - Chesapeake draketail
alde Posted March 8, 2014 #35 Posted March 8, 2014 Tim, I have that Pinky kit on the shelf right now. I think it may be next after the Bounty Launch. These Model Shipways kits with the laser cut parts and great instructions sure do make it nice for us beginners. Of course having the fine folks on this forum helps a lot too. timo4352 1 Quote The heart is happiest when the head and the hands work together. Al Current Builds: HMS Halifax 1/48 POF Lumberyard Kit Model Shipways Glad Tidings Acoustic Guitar Build FINISHED
timo4352 Posted March 15, 2014 Author #36 Posted March 15, 2014 I have made a little progress on my model. Adding some details like cleats and stuff. Not done yet but getting closer. I am very much so enjoying the process. Aussie048, captainbob, hexnut and 2 others 5 Quote Tim "That's a fine looking pair of oars you got there, Sir"" 'em aint 'ores --- that's me wife and me daughter! " Current build: Glad Tidings Pinky Schooner Past builds: 1:1 Stick-Up Sharpie Build Muscongus Bay Lobster Smack by Timo4352 - Midwest Products - SMALL - First time builder Gunning Dory sail & oar boat 1:1 Future Build: Scratch built Mower Dory - scale undetermined yet another future build: Martha - Chesapeake draketail
dgbot Posted March 15, 2014 #37 Posted March 15, 2014 I am waiting for the day you decide to mast it. David B Quote Work in progress USS Maine in cardstock.http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/7446-uss-maine-by-dgbot-hmv-card/#entry220003 Completed Blockade runner Teazer http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/6063-blockade-runner-teazer-by-dgbot-card-stock/#entry175967 Completed The Monitor Lehigh http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/6920-the-monitor-lehigh-by-dgbot-card-model/#entry203680 Completed Kingston Class MCVD http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/forum/10-kit-build-logs-in-progress/
hexnut Posted March 15, 2014 #38 Posted March 15, 2014 On another note - this boat carried a lot of sail! Must have been a pretty powerful vessel. Good thing there is a couple reefs on that sail. Tim I've read that the sail area was so that they could get away from the dock and underway with almost no breeze, as these were made and used before auxiliaries. Apparently, they were almost always reefed during normal "working hours". Your model is looking terrific. I really love the paint and finishing. Quote Regards, Bob Marvin Muscongus bay Lobster Smack -Midwest- 1:24- (1st wooden build) Gertrude L. Thebaud Mini-Mamoli 1/200 kitbash
timo4352 Posted March 16, 2014 Author #39 Posted March 16, 2014 Well , here I am -- at the verge of trying to decide if I should put sails on it or not... everything else is pretty much done... I'm thinking it might be fun to do a little poll -- what do you all think -- sails or not? I'm not promising anything either way, but I'm interested in your feedback. cdogg 1 Quote Tim "That's a fine looking pair of oars you got there, Sir"" 'em aint 'ores --- that's me wife and me daughter! " Current build: Glad Tidings Pinky Schooner Past builds: 1:1 Stick-Up Sharpie Build Muscongus Bay Lobster Smack by Timo4352 - Midwest Products - SMALL - First time builder Gunning Dory sail & oar boat 1:1 Future Build: Scratch built Mower Dory - scale undetermined yet another future build: Martha - Chesapeake draketail
dgbot Posted March 16, 2014 #40 Posted March 16, 2014 Put on the sails but leave them furled. This will show off the hull and at the same time show the detail for rigging. David B alde 1 Quote Work in progress USS Maine in cardstock.http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/7446-uss-maine-by-dgbot-hmv-card/#entry220003 Completed Blockade runner Teazer http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/6063-blockade-runner-teazer-by-dgbot-card-stock/#entry175967 Completed The Monitor Lehigh http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/6920-the-monitor-lehigh-by-dgbot-card-model/#entry203680 Completed Kingston Class MCVD http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/forum/10-kit-build-logs-in-progress/
timo4352 Posted March 16, 2014 Author #41 Posted March 16, 2014 Shoot.... another "oops" just occurred to me... My model is displayed with the centerboard down, meaning the lift bar for the board should also be down - not up like shows in this photo. Something else I should have figured out on my own instead of blindly following the instructions. It bothers me enough that I'll probably try to remove it and redo it the way I think it should be. What have you other builders done on yours? KevinR 1 Quote Tim "That's a fine looking pair of oars you got there, Sir"" 'em aint 'ores --- that's me wife and me daughter! " Current build: Glad Tidings Pinky Schooner Past builds: 1:1 Stick-Up Sharpie Build Muscongus Bay Lobster Smack by Timo4352 - Midwest Products - SMALL - First time builder Gunning Dory sail & oar boat 1:1 Future Build: Scratch built Mower Dory - scale undetermined yet another future build: Martha - Chesapeake draketail
alde Posted March 16, 2014 #42 Posted March 16, 2014 I agree with David. Furled sails would look great. You are doing a fantastic job. I would also fix the keel lift bar. At least you will know it's right. Quote The heart is happiest when the head and the hands work together. Al Current Builds: HMS Halifax 1/48 POF Lumberyard Kit Model Shipways Glad Tidings Acoustic Guitar Build FINISHED
Senior ole salt Posted March 16, 2014 #43 Posted March 16, 2014 Another vote for furled sails. Also IMHO, consider the weathered look like a working vessel would have. A yacht should look like a yacht and a working boat should show a little wear and tear. PS That is an art form in itself especially when successfully accomplished. At least a lobster pot or two would give an added interest. S.os KevinR 1 Quote New Bedford Whaleboat build. Kit by Model Shipways I've been making progress on my model and according to the instruction booklet I should be painting it, at least parts of it. Are acrylic's ok ? I did apply a sanding sealer. but I want to stain the untreated floor boards which are walnut. Thanks S.O.S.
captainbob Posted March 17, 2014 #44 Posted March 17, 2014 If the centerboard is down raise the sail. If you furl the sails raise the centerboard. Bob Quote Every build is a learning experience. Current build: SS_ Mariefred Completed builds: US Coast Guard Pequot Friendship-sloop, Schooner Lettie-G.-Howard, Spray, Grand-Banks-dory, a gaff rigged yawl, HOGA (YT-146), Int'l Dragon Class II, Two Edwardian Launches In the Gallery: Catboat, International-Dragon-Class, Spray
Dee_Dee Posted March 17, 2014 #45 Posted March 17, 2014 Tim, Your build is looking great! Kudos to you! With all the MBLS that have been built on this site, you are the first builder to see this error. I did a bit of bashing on my build and the centerboard is fully working, so the handle will always be in the right position. Of note, when I was building up the keel, the opening in the deck was moved 18" back, to give better leverage when raising / lowering the centerboard. The long brass bar was replaced with a length of chain and a black iron handle, that will be secured in a second deck opening a few inches behind the cabin door. This second deck opening location was determined by the movement of the centerboard. If you hit one the the rock ledges that the Muscongus Bay is known for, the centerboard needs to be pulled up immediately to prevent damaging it. I still need to attach the black iron handle, but this cropped photo shows the deck openings. The brass in the deck openings will be blackened. Quote Current Build - Glad Tidings -MS Completed Builds - Dragon - Corel - One design International Class Yacht - Sloup Coquillier / Shell Fish Sloop - Corel - Based on 'Bergere de Domremy / Shepherdess from Domremy - Muscongus Bay Lobster Smack - Scratch build based on drawings from Chapelle's book "American Small Sailing Craft" On the Shelf - Gretel-Mamoli - Emma C. Berry-MS - Chesapeake Bay Pilot Boat, Semi-scratch Find yourself hoping you never reach your destination
hexnut Posted March 17, 2014 #46 Posted March 17, 2014 If the centerboard is down raise the sail. If you furl the sails raise the centerboard. Bob Bob, on my ongoing quest for info on these boats; were the centerboards always stowed when moored? Quote Regards, Bob Marvin Muscongus bay Lobster Smack -Midwest- 1:24- (1st wooden build) Gertrude L. Thebaud Mini-Mamoli 1/200 kitbash
Senior ole salt Posted March 17, 2014 #47 Posted March 17, 2014 It would make more sense to raise the CB when moored. Who would want the board to rattle around in the trunk . That would do more harm. Besides at some LL tides it would hit bottom with the increased possibility of more damage if the incoming tide brings some waves. S.os hexnut and captainbob 2 Quote New Bedford Whaleboat build. Kit by Model Shipways I've been making progress on my model and according to the instruction booklet I should be painting it, at least parts of it. Are acrylic's ok ? I did apply a sanding sealer. but I want to stain the untreated floor boards which are walnut. Thanks S.O.S.
DRW-FJ40 Posted March 17, 2014 #48 Posted March 17, 2014 This looks great! And I thought after my 4th midwest kit, I was ready to tackle my Bluenose... you've made this look fun.... like I want to try one. These Midwest kits are great for gaining experience without spending a lot. You've done a beautiful job with it. I take it your wife approves and it passes the mustard for the curio cabinet? Quote www.wolfcreekrcpark.com
timo4352 Posted March 17, 2014 Author #49 Posted March 17, 2014 (edited) Thanks for the replies, guys. Yes, I think I've still got a spot to display it in the curio cabinet. It's gonna take up more space than she thinks, I'm afraid, so I might have to figure out an alternate plan. I'm gonna need space for the Pinky too - and then the ....... Tim Edited March 18, 2014 by timo4352 Quote Tim "That's a fine looking pair of oars you got there, Sir"" 'em aint 'ores --- that's me wife and me daughter! " Current build: Glad Tidings Pinky Schooner Past builds: 1:1 Stick-Up Sharpie Build Muscongus Bay Lobster Smack by Timo4352 - Midwest Products - SMALL - First time builder Gunning Dory sail & oar boat 1:1 Future Build: Scratch built Mower Dory - scale undetermined yet another future build: Martha - Chesapeake draketail
captainbob Posted March 18, 2014 #50 Posted March 18, 2014 Bob, on my ongoing quest for info on these boats; were the centerboards always stowed when moored? I always did. Bob hexnut 1 Quote Every build is a learning experience. Current build: SS_ Mariefred Completed builds: US Coast Guard Pequot Friendship-sloop, Schooner Lettie-G.-Howard, Spray, Grand-Banks-dory, a gaff rigged yawl, HOGA (YT-146), Int'l Dragon Class II, Two Edwardian Launches In the Gallery: Catboat, International-Dragon-Class, Spray
timo4352 Posted March 20, 2014 Author #51 Posted March 20, 2014 She's done! I decided to go with sails. This first model was supposed to be a learning experience, and I needed to learn how to do sails too! My first attempt I ruined the sail fabric. This second set I used watered down Elmer's glue to seal the sail fabric. No stitching - just drew in pencil lines. I even went to buy some different fabric, but in the end I used these sails. I'm happy with the outcome. The next model I think I'll sew the sails on. Now my lovely wife has to get a spot in the curio cabinet cleared out. Some pics- Senior ole salt, GrandpaPhil, Dee_Dee and 3 others 6 Quote Tim "That's a fine looking pair of oars you got there, Sir"" 'em aint 'ores --- that's me wife and me daughter! " Current build: Glad Tidings Pinky Schooner Past builds: 1:1 Stick-Up Sharpie Build Muscongus Bay Lobster Smack by Timo4352 - Midwest Products - SMALL - First time builder Gunning Dory sail & oar boat 1:1 Future Build: Scratch built Mower Dory - scale undetermined yet another future build: Martha - Chesapeake draketail
Senior ole salt Posted March 20, 2014 #52 Posted March 20, 2014 Absolutely beautiful. You made a wise decision about the sails. Now! When can I borrow her to sail in my bathtub? Such a beauty deserves a name. Did you put a coin in the mast step, face down ? S.os PS another ? Are ya gonna put a crew person at the helm ? ? Quote New Bedford Whaleboat build. Kit by Model Shipways I've been making progress on my model and according to the instruction booklet I should be painting it, at least parts of it. Are acrylic's ok ? I did apply a sanding sealer. but I want to stain the untreated floor boards which are walnut. Thanks S.O.S.
timo4352 Posted March 20, 2014 Author #53 Posted March 20, 2014 Thanks S.os! No coin. No crew. Maybe a bilge rat.... She does need a name though... Quote Tim "That's a fine looking pair of oars you got there, Sir"" 'em aint 'ores --- that's me wife and me daughter! " Current build: Glad Tidings Pinky Schooner Past builds: 1:1 Stick-Up Sharpie Build Muscongus Bay Lobster Smack by Timo4352 - Midwest Products - SMALL - First time builder Gunning Dory sail & oar boat 1:1 Future Build: Scratch built Mower Dory - scale undetermined yet another future build: Martha - Chesapeake draketail
dgbot Posted March 20, 2014 #54 Posted March 20, 2014 Congratulations on a job well done. David B Quote Work in progress USS Maine in cardstock.http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/7446-uss-maine-by-dgbot-hmv-card/#entry220003 Completed Blockade runner Teazer http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/6063-blockade-runner-teazer-by-dgbot-card-stock/#entry175967 Completed The Monitor Lehigh http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/6920-the-monitor-lehigh-by-dgbot-card-model/#entry203680 Completed Kingston Class MCVD http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/forum/10-kit-build-logs-in-progress/
KevinR Posted March 20, 2014 #55 Posted March 20, 2014 She is beautiful. Something to be proud of. I hope mine turns out that well, when I eventually get around to building it. Quote Kevin Hampton, VA Current Builds: Skipjack Albatross - 1:32 On Hold: Yacht Atlantic - Scientific Completed: Ships Boat - MS - First Planked Kit
timo4352 Posted March 21, 2014 Author #56 Posted March 21, 2014 Thanks guys. It's been a very enjoyable both to build the model and to share the experience with you all. Senior ole salt 1 Quote Tim "That's a fine looking pair of oars you got there, Sir"" 'em aint 'ores --- that's me wife and me daughter! " Current build: Glad Tidings Pinky Schooner Past builds: 1:1 Stick-Up Sharpie Build Muscongus Bay Lobster Smack by Timo4352 - Midwest Products - SMALL - First time builder Gunning Dory sail & oar boat 1:1 Future Build: Scratch built Mower Dory - scale undetermined yet another future build: Martha - Chesapeake draketail
captainbob Posted March 21, 2014 #57 Posted March 21, 2014 Well done. Nice sails. I'm like S.os, I want to sail her. Bob Quote Every build is a learning experience. Current build: SS_ Mariefred Completed builds: US Coast Guard Pequot Friendship-sloop, Schooner Lettie-G.-Howard, Spray, Grand-Banks-dory, a gaff rigged yawl, HOGA (YT-146), Int'l Dragon Class II, Two Edwardian Launches In the Gallery: Catboat, International-Dragon-Class, Spray
hexnut Posted March 21, 2014 #58 Posted March 21, 2014 Timo-- you made those out of the stock Midwest sail material? They look fantastic. Quote Regards, Bob Marvin Muscongus bay Lobster Smack -Midwest- 1:24- (1st wooden build) Gertrude L. Thebaud Mini-Mamoli 1/200 kitbash
alde Posted March 21, 2014 #59 Posted March 21, 2014 Outstanding job. You should be very proud of your model. Quote The heart is happiest when the head and the hands work together. Al Current Builds: HMS Halifax 1/48 POF Lumberyard Kit Model Shipways Glad Tidings Acoustic Guitar Build FINISHED
timo4352 Posted March 22, 2014 Author #60 Posted March 22, 2014 Thanks guys The sails were actually made from an old dress shirt that I recycled out of my closet! Quote Tim "That's a fine looking pair of oars you got there, Sir"" 'em aint 'ores --- that's me wife and me daughter! " Current build: Glad Tidings Pinky Schooner Past builds: 1:1 Stick-Up Sharpie Build Muscongus Bay Lobster Smack by Timo4352 - Midwest Products - SMALL - First time builder Gunning Dory sail & oar boat 1:1 Future Build: Scratch built Mower Dory - scale undetermined yet another future build: Martha - Chesapeake draketail
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