rfolsom Posted September 1, 2014 Author #31 Posted September 1, 2014 Pieces 21 were a lot of fun, (NOT).. The Caldercraft plans on their site are different varying scales on each different page, and I blindly cut out two of the pieces, which didn't match. After rescaling, my middle template did match Caldercraft, but not AOS. Templates on the right use AOS. Now pieces 40, 41, and 42 seem off. Those won't be remade, but maybe shimmed a bit. All these are (roughly) made simultaneously to find out all the little errors... mtaylor, Omega1234 and clearway 3 Quote
NenadM Posted September 1, 2014 #32 Posted September 1, 2014 Bob, you are in great trouble, but you succesfuly move forward. Lines in drawings are thicker than a blade ? Horror. Where to cut ? Left edge, right edge or somewhere in the middle. And it is easy to get mistake 1-2 mm left or right. Especialy in complex building as Victory Keep a good work my friend and dont forget poor CS And Niagara And Admiral Quote In progress: CUTTY SARK - Tehnodidakta => scratch => Campbell plans http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/2501-cutty-sark-by-nenad-tehnodidakta-scratched-campbells-plans/page-1#entry64653 Content of log : http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/2501-cutty-sark-by-nenad-tehnodidakta-scratched-campbells-plans/page-62#entry217381 Past build: Stella, Heller kit, plastic, Santa Maria, Tehnodidakta kit, wood, Jolly Roger Heller kit, plastic
rfolsom Posted September 2, 2014 Author #33 Posted September 2, 2014 Just a little challenge trying to scratch-build the bulkheads; accurate, and consistent drawings are paramount. Nenad; I always cut right outside the perimeter of the lines, then I can sand down. I see my CS everytime I walk by the workbench, along with Niagara.... I usually work on the ships after Admiral goes to bed, so that's OK. My legs are getting really stiff, so it's time to get off the carpet (Vic) and move into the chair (CS)... I was 22 years old at one point in time.. Quote
NenadM Posted September 2, 2014 #34 Posted September 2, 2014 You should be sleeping now, my friend? Quote In progress: CUTTY SARK - Tehnodidakta => scratch => Campbell plans http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/2501-cutty-sark-by-nenad-tehnodidakta-scratched-campbells-plans/page-1#entry64653 Content of log : http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/2501-cutty-sark-by-nenad-tehnodidakta-scratched-campbells-plans/page-62#entry217381 Past build: Stella, Heller kit, plastic, Santa Maria, Tehnodidakta kit, wood, Jolly Roger Heller kit, plastic
rfolsom Posted September 2, 2014 Author #35 Posted September 2, 2014 At the moment, it is about 2 pm here, I have the day off, and Admiral just left to go shopping and her daily walk. Prime time for posting, pondering, and building! Quote
rfolsom Posted September 2, 2014 Author #36 Posted September 2, 2014 This shows pieces 20 and 21 set in place on the unfinished fore part of the false keel, with stem also in place. The glue stick is my choice for affixing the paper templates. The false keel will be cut out along with it's bulkhead slots when all measurements are finalized. Quote
rfolsom Posted September 2, 2014 Author #37 Posted September 2, 2014 So, 1/16" thick shims are added to pieces 41 and 42 to bring them even with pieces 21. Every single piece in these pictures are in very rough form right now, so don't think too badly of my skills, (yet). Pieces 40 will be completely remade; just have to establish the right profile with AOS. Those who scratch build may think these errors are a scaling issue, they are not. It's an issue with differing bow curvature between the two plans I am using for reference. I'm trying to adapt the basic Caldercraft plans to the AOS. I will ultimately have a model closely following AOS, but using some structural techniques of Caldercraft, which many of our friends regard as the most accurate Vic kit out there. Quote
capnharv2 Posted September 2, 2014 #38 Posted September 2, 2014 Hi Rob, I just stumbled onto this build log now. Like you, I "inherited" a Sergal Victory, not quite as far along as yours. Mine is still 10-15 years away-I've got the Connie, Elsie, Flying Cloud and Longboat to finish first. Plus, my wife wants me to do the Agamemnon next, so it will be a while. Something I'm trying to figure out from your log-are you correcting the kit per AOTS and Caldercraft plans, or are you using the kit as a starting point and building everthing from scratch? Regardless, you're doing a great job. It will be an inspiration when I start on mine. Thanks, Harvey Quote
rfolsom Posted September 3, 2014 Author #39 Posted September 3, 2014 (edited) Hello Harvey; Just to let you know my mind set in 1000 words or less.. (or more) This is a completely scratch build, with many (Calercraft) references. A very generous friend of ours, Dale, who is working on the Niagara, offered his '70's partially completed kit of the Victory (Sergal/Mantua) for the price of shipping. I was currently working on two builds (Cutty Sark and Niagara). My ultimate goal is the "Big three"... Cutty, Connie, and Victory. I built the former two in Revell plastic in my teens, and loved every minute of it. They will be remade in wood in my adulthood. I have a copy of the AOTS and had always planned on this being completely scratch-built. Most of the Victory kit guys say Caldercraft is the best kit to buy, and after checking out their website, they post their parts list and manuals for this great kit. After about 3-6 hours double checking Sergal's hull, there were too many inaccuracies to fix Dale's hull. (Sergal inaccuracies, not Dale's, please note) So, to make a long story a little bit longer, and to try to answer your question: I have an old Sergal kit; with plans; with rescaling, some bulkheads match with AOTS. Some don't. So I went to Caldercraft and compared their pieces. Most match, some don't.. Close enough to use their (structural) layout and adapt a little bit to AOTS. Aots will be my final structural reference. Edited September 3, 2014 by rfolsom capnharv2 1 Quote
rfolsom Posted September 9, 2014 Author #40 Posted September 9, 2014 Taking a break from fiddling with the bulkheads, I decided to dig into the 40+ year old fittings box. I'd pulled out these stamped brass gunport frames before; and thought to myself "what a shame I can't use them, they are the right dimensions." After revisiting, (Maybe this was the kits' intention all along) I thought about sandwiching them in between the bulwark strips and outside planking (bulwark strips don't exist yet; they'll be scratched from 1/32" sheet basswood, using Caldercraft scaled and modified to fit AOS). So a test had to be conducted... 106 of these stamped brass frames... clearway 1 Quote
rfolsom Posted September 9, 2014 Author #41 Posted September 9, 2014 1/32" test strip marked, with 1/8" x 1/32" planks ready to go.. clearway 1 Quote
rfolsom Posted September 9, 2014 Author #42 Posted September 9, 2014 (edited) Fitting these into the "test strip" sure beats squaring the wood by hand... Edited September 9, 2014 by rfolsom clearway 1 Quote
rfolsom Posted September 9, 2014 Author #43 Posted September 9, 2014 Brass port lining painted Model Shipway's red; test planks' edges painted MS Yellow ochre. clearway 1 Quote
rfolsom Posted September 9, 2014 Author #44 Posted September 9, 2014 Final stages of the test port. Note no primer was used on the brass or wood, nor were many accurate paint coats, as this was only a test to see the contrasts and if the brass fittings would serve as an accurate liner substitute. (Hence all the dark splotches.) I'll keep this test assembly together to also test framing and inside bulwark planking when the time comes, then break it apart to retrive the brass frame... clearway and WackoWolf 2 Quote
NenadM Posted September 9, 2014 #45 Posted September 9, 2014 It looks nice, Bob Quote In progress: CUTTY SARK - Tehnodidakta => scratch => Campbell plans http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/2501-cutty-sark-by-nenad-tehnodidakta-scratched-campbells-plans/page-1#entry64653 Content of log : http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/2501-cutty-sark-by-nenad-tehnodidakta-scratched-campbells-plans/page-62#entry217381 Past build: Stella, Heller kit, plastic, Santa Maria, Tehnodidakta kit, wood, Jolly Roger Heller kit, plastic
NenadM Posted September 9, 2014 #46 Posted September 9, 2014 It looks nice, Bob Quote In progress: CUTTY SARK - Tehnodidakta => scratch => Campbell plans http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/2501-cutty-sark-by-nenad-tehnodidakta-scratched-campbells-plans/page-1#entry64653 Content of log : http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/2501-cutty-sark-by-nenad-tehnodidakta-scratched-campbells-plans/page-62#entry217381 Past build: Stella, Heller kit, plastic, Santa Maria, Tehnodidakta kit, wood, Jolly Roger Heller kit, plastic
clearway Posted September 9, 2014 #47 Posted September 9, 2014 certainly looks the part Bob- will book you a tranquil darkened room for respite care the way you are going with these builds Keith Quote
Laxet Posted October 13, 2014 #48 Posted October 13, 2014 Look at you go, Bob! I hadn't realized you even started her. Looks really good so far. I will continue to follow your build with bated breath. Quote Dale G Elhardt AG6MA Flower Mound, TX I welcome change. But I prefer bills. http://www.jetphotos.net/showphotos.php?userid=7702 http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/7452-us-brig-niagara-by-laxet-model-shipways/?p=220255
rfolsom Posted October 16, 2014 Author #49 Posted October 16, 2014 (edited) Hello, Dale; thanks for looking in. I've been busy with the Cutty Sark, and there's so many Victory builds it's hard to keep track of... On the unfortunate side, I decided to completely scratch build the Victory's hull. I thought about tearing into your build, and taking the bulkheads, etc.(Decided not...). Anyhow, she's safely in my shipyard, as a model reference.. Edited October 16, 2014 by rfolsom Quote
rfolsom Posted October 17, 2014 Author #50 Posted October 17, 2014 A little bit of work was done on the Vic. Rough cut a couple more bulkheads, and stared at the plans for awhile. Although I base this build loosely on Caldercraft, I've noticed many errors cropping up. The bulkheads are not lining up properly, so I'll be going completely to the AOTS. I've rough-cut many of the bulkheads, with AOTS templates affixed, but I'll have to re-draw the alignments on the keel; Caldercraft/Jotika is inaccurate. Quote
rfolsom Posted October 17, 2014 Author #51 Posted October 17, 2014 ..and back to the Cutty soon.... Quote
rfolsom Posted November 17, 2014 Author #52 Posted November 17, 2014 Ok... I've abandoned most references to Caldercraft, and am going for the AOTS. This build, marked as a 1:78 kit, is all over the place. The bower anchors are actually 1:96; The carronades are pretty close; but the long guns are an even smaller scale. Doing the math; I am now making a scratch-built 1:81.5 HMS Victory. I will fit the fittings as I see fit; and hopefully not have a fit about it.. mtaylor and NenadM 2 Quote
NenadM Posted November 17, 2014 #53 Posted November 17, 2014 Interesting scale Bob : 1 : 81,55345353688... It will be precise build mtaylor 1 Quote In progress: CUTTY SARK - Tehnodidakta => scratch => Campbell plans http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/2501-cutty-sark-by-nenad-tehnodidakta-scratched-campbells-plans/page-1#entry64653 Content of log : http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/2501-cutty-sark-by-nenad-tehnodidakta-scratched-campbells-plans/page-62#entry217381 Past build: Stella, Heller kit, plastic, Santa Maria, Tehnodidakta kit, wood, Jolly Roger Heller kit, plastic
keelhauled Posted November 20, 2014 #54 Posted November 20, 2014 (edited) Looks like I'm late to the party! Nice build so far. At this time I think my next build is the Victory. I already bought the large Mamoli version 10 years ago. At the time I thought that I could bang the Cutty out in 3 or 4 years - HA, HA, HA! What a fool I was. Maybe I'll go scratch built like you. Look forward to seeing your progression. By the way, don't get the Cutty's pieces and the Victory's mixed. Then again, I might make two very interesting ships! Marc Edited November 20, 2014 by keelhauled Quote Currently building the Cutty Sark http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/1000-cutty-sark-by-keelhauled-mantua-kit-bashed-first-wooden-ship-build/
NenadM Posted November 20, 2014 #55 Posted November 20, 2014 CS with VIC's guns? VIC with CS's sails ? ThT will/would be something! Quote In progress: CUTTY SARK - Tehnodidakta => scratch => Campbell plans http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/2501-cutty-sark-by-nenad-tehnodidakta-scratched-campbells-plans/page-1#entry64653 Content of log : http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/2501-cutty-sark-by-nenad-tehnodidakta-scratched-campbells-plans/page-62#entry217381 Past build: Stella, Heller kit, plastic, Santa Maria, Tehnodidakta kit, wood, Jolly Roger Heller kit, plastic
keelhauled Posted November 21, 2014 #56 Posted November 21, 2014 Nenad, I kind of like the idea of the CS with the Vic's guns. Think how much faster and sporty the VIC would look with the CS' sails! We've got to talk Bob into stepping out of the box. He's already venturing into the dark side of scratch building! Marc Quote Currently building the Cutty Sark http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/1000-cutty-sark-by-keelhauled-mantua-kit-bashed-first-wooden-ship-build/
rfolsom Posted November 21, 2014 Author #57 Posted November 21, 2014 Oops! Mistook the Vic's 68 pound carronade for the Cutty's 6 pound signal gun; Just lost the mizzen and 24 crew; everything else is Ok.... Quote
rfolsom Posted November 21, 2014 Author #58 Posted November 21, 2014 ...Including Piggy; now where is he hiding?.... Quote
rfolsom Posted November 21, 2014 Author #59 Posted November 21, 2014 (edited) As I cut the slots in the keel for the bulkheads; I also affix the Aots plans, to check accuracy. The keel looks a bit like a board; but has been drawn out with all the section and deck lines... Edited November 21, 2014 by rfolsom mtaylor 1 Quote
rfolsom Posted November 21, 2014 Author #60 Posted November 21, 2014 Nothing has been actually glued together (except for the sternpost pieces). There will be alot more sizing,measuring and cutting to follow. I have cut slots for temporary placement of bulkheaeds "s" , "o", and "k" Quote
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