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Lyle, Many thanks. I was not originally wild about AYC. I prefer boxwood, but I have not won the lottery yet, so.... It bends well and edge bends well. My major complaint is that it dents easily, so I need to be careful with the clamps. It smells great too. Chuck at SYREN and Joe at MODELER'S SAWMILL both carry it.
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Not so fast… The model is built ‘shell first’ on a strong back, then framed. The locations of the strongback frames are marked on the provided baseboard. Marking the centerlines of each frame, I was able to easily assemble the strongback. The sternpiece and keel are already assembled and the center marking of the frames allowed me to install the sternpiece/keel. These are NOT glued to the frames. I did not see any specific locations for the stem, but it was easy to figure out. A NOTE ON WOOD: Scott says most of the wood used for the model is mahogany. While I am not a wood expert, this does not appear to be any mahogany I have worked with. It is soft and coarse grain. Despite soaking and taking care, I snapped the first plank I tried to bend. I decided to go with Alaskan Yellow Cedar (AYC) I had from SYREN. I have worked with that wood before and like it, although it is also soft. UNFORTUNATELY, my AYC is 14 inches long and I need about 16 inches. :- ( I came up with a scheme to laminate the planks so there would be 2 joints and it would hopefully survive the rigors of severe bending. Remember, the planks are not affixed to the frames. The downside to this is (1) it is very time consuming and (b) the finished product cannot be soaked. Joe Volpe at MODELER’S SAWMILL to the rescue!!!! His wood is also normally 14 inches, but he was able to cut me some sheets 18 inches.
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Welcome to my build log of the “Sea of Galilee Boat”, sometimes referred to as “the Jesus Boat”. I was in the midst of a crisis of creativity with my Hanseatic cog when I came across LyleK1’s build log of the SoG boat. I was interested and jumped in. Lyle’s build log can be found at: https://modelshipworld.com/topic/29007-sea-of-galilee-boat-by-lylek1-se-miller-120-scale/#comments This is a kit by Scott Miller, model builder and guitar maker. Lyle provides info on the kit. The kit is based on the excavation of a boat on the northwest shore of the Sea of Galilee in 1986. This is documented in the book “The Sea of Galilee Boat: A 2000 Year Old Discovery From the Sea of Legends by Shelly Wachsmann“ and excavation report “The Excavations of an Ancient Boat from the Sea of Galilee by Shelly Wachsmann, 1990”. The book I purchased and the report I downloaded for free. They contain similar info but there are some differences. It all began in January 1986 when 2 Israeli fishermen/amateur archeologists stumbled upon some artifacts along the northwest shore of the Sea of Galilee (which is actually a freshwater lake…who knew?) Israel had been experiencing 2 years of drought and the SoG had receded drastically. What the fishermen found was due to the surface of the ground being dug up by spinning wheels of a tractor. When officials were notified of the find, they thought it was a hoax-no wrecks that old had ever been found in the SoG because the warm fresh water is not conducive preservation. While a “land site”, the wreck had to be excavated quickly-the drought had ended and the sea was rising. The above listed sources give much info on the wreck. Some I will be mentioning throughout the build. The boat is 8.8 meters/28.9 feet long at the caprail, had a breadth of 2.5 meters/8.2 feet and depth of 1.25 meters/4.1 feet. Dating the wreck is difficult. Carbon dating of the wood, artifacts in and around the wreck, boat building techniques used and historical data of the area led them to estimate 100BCE to 75CE. They are certain that the boat was constructed of parts from older boats and it had been repaired often. Some of the wood is 100 years older than other parts. I am better at building than I am documenting the build, and I am not all that great at building. I get distracted easily. My plan is to provide some early documentation, then get down to building. I need to get out of my slump. There will be large gaps between updates but I will respond to any questions or issues. On to the build.
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Divers Discover 2nd Century Military Ship off Egypt
Chuck Seiler replied to Ian_Grant's topic in Nautical/Naval History
Interesting. I wonder how long it will be before they finish the excavation and come up with a written product. From the picture, the style and pattern of the internal frames appears the same as in the Sea of Galilee boat except closer together. -
The von Fircks book is in German as well, but the pictures are in English. They must be...I understand them. 😄
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I stand corrected, the above models is not from the Zimmerman book, it is from "Normannenschiffe: Die normannischen Bayeux-Langschiffe und die frühmittelalterliche Nef der Cinque Ports (German Edition) Hardcover – January 1, 1986. German Edition by. Jochen von Fircks " The nef from the Zimmerman book looks more like the one you envision. A picture of the model can be found at: https://theropetokyo-en.jimdofree.com/gallery/35th-exhibiton-2010/ Another book I will have to purchase (and German lessons).
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Steven, Will you be following the lines you posted in your post #1? (See below) You mentioned you would not be including a bowsprit, but a bowsprit is in the plan. How tapered do you anticipate the castles to be? A model of the Hedeby 3 https://www.icelandknarr.com/the-hedeby-3-knarr.html shows the beams to be fairly high up and certainly an obstacle, although not through-beams.
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I am not really sure what the model is based on (yet) so I am not really sure. The knarrs Christian referred to had above deck beams that served as thwarts/seats for rowers. They were lower and not thru-deck, but served the same purpose of structural support. The nef deck is not that far above the keel. I do not have the full plans in front of me, but I estimate the height of the beam to be knee to mid thigh level.
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Lyle, That is really looking good. You are well on track to be done on time. I hope mine ends up looking as good as yours.
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Wow! Significant progress. Looking good. I find the cutwater very interesting. It seems quite large for such a small boat. I guess you might need it to ram rival fishermen. 😄 Between your progress and Louie d F's start on the NEF, I am embarrassed at my lack of productivity. I have been dawdling with the Jesus Boat, some movement, but I need to get in gear and go public. Build log by Saturday.
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Here is the link I mentioned. Includes info on book and other links to more detailed photos. https://www.modelships.de/Nef-Winchelsea/Nef-Winchelsea_eng.htm
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Steven, I am pulling up a chair. I am considering that model as well. It was going to be after my cog, but I stalled on the cog and another project interceded. I have the book as well. I do not read or speak German but the plans are pretty good and there are some fine diagrams. It covers the nef and another that resembles a longboat, but was used by William the Conqueror...after all, Normans WERE Viking descendants. The plans yielded the following model which can be found on the internet. I can send the link. There are multiple angles and interior shots I had not chosen NOT to name my log (when I make one) Winchelsea Nef because everybody will be opening it expecting a frigate. 😄However, if you look at the transom of Chuck P's WINCHELSEA model, you will find the nef.
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Knot tying tools
Chuck Seiler replied to Dsmith20639's topic in Modeling tools and Workshop Equipment
I use tweezers and forceps. Some are locking and some are not. -
The pattern Lyle used is from the excavation. (see attached). The book refers to the individual pieces as "floor timbers", "futtocks" and "half frames". As Lyle's model shows, the frames alternate floor timer, half frame, FT, HF, etc. Many of the floor timbers have "futtocks" which extends the frame to the gunn'l, but not all. The book notes that some locations where frames are missing you can see nails, other locations there are no nails. I have seen models where floor timber/futtock arrangement goes the full length of the boat and some where that arrangement is used only for about the center 1/3 while floor timber-only is used for forward and aft 1/3s. Who knows for sure.
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Doors
Chuck Seiler replied to Don Case's topic in Building, Framing, Planking and plating a ships hull and deck
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Doors
Chuck Seiler replied to Don Case's topic in Building, Framing, Planking and plating a ships hull and deck
I can live with 'doors' depending on the situation, but I have to balk at walls (bulkheads), windows (ports), floors (decks) and boats (ships). Okay, windows if associated with transom and quarter galleries. Okay, floors if talking about the lower-most part of a frame. Okay, stairs if you are talking about what you do at a group of women after a long time at sea. Or would that be stares? -
Doors
Chuck Seiler replied to Don Case's topic in Building, Framing, Planking and plating a ships hull and deck
I was never in the Navy in the 18th century, only the 20th. Back then they actually had doors, as has been discussed. Openings from one deck to another were hatches. Even today, after the advent of watertight compartmentation, the hole that I walk through to get from one space to another is secured with a water tight door. As DCA I had to buy enough of them to know.
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