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One thing future builders of this and similar models might pay attention to is that it is really easy to bang the stern transom. With these pieces being ply, and not hardwood, it is then easy for them to flake. I’m going to try to add some wood filler and do some sanding. Next model like this I’m going to try to remember to put some bubble wrap in the area.
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In anticipation of adding pear pieces at the prow that will create a rabbet/chamfer for the second layer of planking, I tried to sand down the first layer planking at the prow a good bit. And in anticipation of adding pieces at the stern and counter that the second layer of planking will need to lay flush with, I tried to sand down the first layer of planking at the stern a good bit. I’m hoping my instincts are right. One thing I know I would have missed if I hadn’t done the NRG half hull and read a bunch of build logs was that the first layer of planking does not go all the way to the end of the stern. Another piece will be added to create what would be a chiseled rabbet/chamfer on some models. The instructions show this, and I followed, but I don’t think there was explicit note of this.
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First layer of planking on the Ranger done. This is my second strip planking after the Sherbourne. Definitely better than the first (and second) planking of the Sherbourne but still have to get more practice. The instructions say no water/heat/bending required but some of the planks, especially 2/3 way down the hull needed it. I got a bit of clinkering (not as bad as on the Sherbourne). I’ll definitely be doing some bending on the 2nd planking in pear. Might also give CA glue another try.
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Slow progress on the Dory - just haven’t had time to work on any models. Added a couple more planks. The Midwest Dory is twice the size of the Model Shipways Dory (about the same length as my Sherbourne).
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Model Expo will give you a credit for the Dory to use for a future purchase at Model Expo if you send them a photo of you and your model - I even got it purchasing the three-kit combo pack and purchasing it on Amazon and not directly from Model Expo: https://modelexpo-online.com/free-dory-promo.html?srsltid=AfmBOorrryRtIO4jVYHTHipdmJzYyjzY1CldRiCPgoWM4No9I2bVHn0c
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New to ship modelling? But what do you build first?
palmerit replied to MSW's topic in Wood ship model kits
One piece of advice I remember reading when I was just starting - which was not long ago - was to treat each step of building a model ship as its own "project". That could mean adding a plank, shaping a mast, rigging a block. As you've seen, these models can take a long time to build - they're not just a weekend project. The Polaris says 120 hours. And as others have said, you can always fix a mistake on a wooden model. I wasn't put off by the amount of time it might take to build one of these models - in fact, it was an advantage for me because I wanted something I could get immersed in over the long run. I am glad I didn't try to tackle a model that would far exceed my capabilities because I probably would have had a 1/2 finished model packed away in the cellar. If I hadn't checked out this web site, I probably would have bought something far beyond my capabilities. The Polaris shows an all-wood model, which requires a really nice planking job that few novices would be able to pull off - I certainly couldn't. But you can always paint the hull, which would then allow a lot of filler and sanding. If you look at my Sherbourne, the planking was kind of garbage, but the end result after painting was fine. -
New to ship modelling? But what do you build first?
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I have an order in the queue for the Pavel Nikitin Oseberg - which will probably sit in my stash for a while - and it's shipping from Ukraine was nearly $100. -
New to ship modelling? But what do you build first?
palmerit replied to MSW's topic in Wood ship model kits
The Model Shipways Shipwright Combo (Dory, Pram, Smack) is $149.99US and it comes with a bunch of tools (though I imagine you'll soon want to replace them with better ones) and paint (not the best paint, but it's free). Don't know what the shipping would be but you get 3 kits in on package. https://modelexpo-online.com/Model-Shipways-Shipwright-3-Kit-Combo-Series-with-Tools-Glue-and-Paint_p_5290.html -
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The Half Hull was a great learning experience for me, though you don't end up with a complete ship at the end. As the name implies, it's a half hull. Having to cut out the planks from sheets of basswood gives you a good appreciation for how you might have to bend (in three dimensions) strip planks (which are common in lots of kits). I will say that that was great to do after having first tried planking the Sherbourne (with small success and lots of filler and sanding, trying to digest lots of planking guides and build logs). I don't know what the shipping costs are for sending that kit overseas. The Model Shipways kits (Dory, Pram, Smack) give you already-shaped planks (that you snip out of a sheet) that you just have to bend into place in one dimension. The Half Hull has you cut out planks to the right size yourself from sheets. The Vanguard kits (and many others) give you strips of wood that are all the same size that you need to cut, trim, bend, and shape (often with water and heat) to fit the hull. Some hulls (like the Vanguard Ranger) are fairly simple, the Sherbourne is a tiny bit more complicated, and more advanced kits (that I haven't attempted) are even trickier to plank. I know I'm not saying anything most people on here don't already know. But these were dimensions of difference that I was completely clueless about when I first started not so long ago. -
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palmerit replied to MSW's topic in Wood ship model kits
True. That's why I ended up doing some Model Shipways kits while continuing to work on my Vanguard Sherbourne. Too bad the Model Shipways kits are too expensive in Europe - I'm surprised they don't have a European vendor. Their Shipwright series of three boats is a nice trio of started kits (despite some frustrations with the material and instructions). The biggest mistake will probably be with planking. My first planking of the Sherbourne was a mess. The second planking of the Sherbourne hardly better. I've done better on later kits. It definitely takes practice. One nice thing is that for any beginner kits, you'll likely be painting the hull anyway and there's not much you can't fix with wood filler and sanding. My final Sherbourne hull doesn't even look like what I started with. Definitely read build logs and tutorials on planking (including the ones linked on the Articles Database at the top of this web site). But you eventually you need to just try the planking and make mistakes. One thing nice about wooden model ship kits as that you can always unglue things (with the right solvent). And you can usually remake parts with scrap wood, which is good practice for what it might be like to kit bash or scratch build. On my Sherbourne, I certainly messed something up somewhere because the parts on the side at the rear of the ship did not line up right. So I ended up making some parts from scratch and used filler and paint and I don't think most people would be able to tell that I ever made a mistake or what mistake I made. I've made plenty of mistakes on the few kits I've worked on and I've never been able to undo any of them or get around them in some way or the mistakes just add some character to my finish result. -
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palmerit replied to MSW's topic in Wood ship model kits
The Vanguard Sherbourne and Vanguard fishing boats (with the reddish sails, there are six varieties - the Saucy Jack is one of them) are a great first model. Definitely take serious the ratings and start with a novice kit. There is so much to learn. I almost jumped up a couple levels for my second build but then decided instead to build some additional simpler boats first. Most of the Vanguard models do have a mast but the materials are great and the instructions clear. You can download (for free) the instructions on the Vanguard web site (https://vanguardmodels.co.uk) and check them out. I'd recommend picking a model that has a lot of build logs here - that means a lot you can learn from and folks who built (or are building) can answer questions. This page has a fairly up-to-date index of various ships (by year range) of all the build logs : While the original post date was 2017, the first post was last updated a couple months ago. -
new kit alert! New kit on the horizon - Winchelsea Nef
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When you order one of his models you can order the paint/stain set too - I'm guessing it comes with some explanation for how to achieve that look.- 12 replies
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The kit has you add temporary supports to stiffen the frame on the build board while planking. Adding one of the garboard planks (after beveling the upper end). Will let the glue dry before adding the other garboard.
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I haven't gotten back to doing the rigging. I was finishing up a couple other things and now I haven't been able to find a block of time to spend. When I've had a moment to model a bit I've done a straightforward step on another model. And now my son is back from college for a week and he has his bedroom back, so I'll be a bit. I'm probably going to try to follow the plans as close as possible. I've still puzzling a little bit over some of the ways the rigging should be done - I need to read over some other build logs (for the Sherbourne and related models).
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I used the Model Shipways supplied paint on my Dory, Pram, and Smack - even though I do have an airbrush and a bunch of Vallejo Air paints. The MS paint is not the greatest. I ended up watering it down and painting multiple coats. If painted in its "full strength" I'm sure I would have had globs and streaks. In some ways since the Dory, Pram, and Smack are all work boats, the rougher consistency (and relatively large scale) are probably okay. I can't imagine using their paints on a larger ship (at smaller scale like 1:64 scale).
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Vanguard Models (https://vanguardmodels.co.uk) has nice kits that are excellent quality materials with great instructions (and a bunch of build logs here). I'm in the midst of the Sherbourne. I also have some of the Vanguard fishing boats (currently working on the Ranger, and have the Zulu and Erycina in the queue). All of these (except the Erycina) are novice kits by Vanguard's ratings. The Vanguard models have more steps (and more detail) but are also easier in some ways because of the excellent instructions (and materials). Some of the Model Shipways models (even their beginner ones) can be difficult because some of the instructions are confusing in places and because there's often a mismatch between the instructions and the materials (I've seen the same with a Midwest model from them). The Vanguard models are constructed like tanks. See some of the build logs. You can also freely view the instructions on the Vanguard web site. The hull frames are really solid, which makes it easier to manipulate them when planking. The Model Shipways models are "old school" and require carefully squaring the bulkheads and adding supports and you need to carve rabbets and the like, which can get tricky. The Vanguard models are engineered to avoid some of that complication (making it unnecessary because of how the kits are designed). The Vanguard models are planked using wood strips (I'm guessing the Model Shipways Rattlesnake might too), which is quite different from the way planking is done on the Dory (and Pram and Smack). I'd suggest reading some of the resources under "Modeling Techniques" on the main menu at the top. The Vanguard models are a bit more expensive than some others but the materials and instructions and detail make them well worth it I think. I ended up doing the Model Shipways Shipwright series (Dory, Pram, and Smack) and I'm now doing the Midwest Dory. I also did the NRG Half Hull. I'm also in the midst of both the Vanguard Sherbourne and Ranger. For me, having multiple models going at once lets me do a step in one model (or lay a plank on one hull) and let the glue dry and then do a step in another model. Or I can do something on one model that might be easy if I don't have the time to do something more complicated on another model. I did the Pram and Smack in part to get a little rigging experience before doing it on the Sherbourne. I haven't gotten back to the Sherbourne rigging because I haven't had a big enough chunk of time to work on it. It's easy to spend 30-45min laying a plank or two on a model. It's harder sometimes for me to find the few uninterrupted hours (at a time when my mind is on it) that I'd need to take up some rigging steps on the Sherbourne. A big model like the Rattlesnake might take a couple years to build. I bought the Vanguard Duchess of Kingston to be my second model. It's on my shelf now. I decided I wanted to first build some smaller models where major mistakes wouldn't mean undermining a year or two of work. And I wanted to do a range of kinds of models to exercise different modeling muscles. There's also something satisfying about completing a model in a couple months. I know I'll at some point I'll get to some models that take 500-1000 hours, but even when I get there I'll probably have some parallel smaller models to work on.
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