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Greetings everyone! Been a bit quiet of late due to the fabulous summer but wanted to start a new post where those interested could gather information on the famous schooner/brig Enterprise. While no plans of her exist, so much secondary information does that I cant help but feel an accurate model could easily be made of her. Please feel free to add any docs/info to this thread though I'm trying to avoid the Constructo model which I've come to feel isn't a very accurate depiction of the ship.This is what I've come up with... enjoy
First below we have the half-hull model that exists in the Naval historical center which I'd love to get measurements of. This would be before her rebuilding and lengthening from 84.5' to 92'. I included some of the article from the Canney Sailing Warships book since it's a pretty interesting read.
- Marcus.K., uss frolick, Canute and 3 others
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I appreciate the kind words. In all fairness all i'm doing is trial and error and solving puzzles with a little common sense. I've already done some more work on the stern and will post pics once it's to the point where I'm happy. Real Estate is a busy business as is taking the lady to the beach on weekends
- Canute, Landlubber Mike and mtaylor
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Gotcha, I wonder if it's the lumber itself or if it was the fault of inadequate ventilation in the ships interior.
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Is that also true of the President? She rotted as well according to the British reports.
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- Bob the Builder, mrshanks, mtaylor and 6 others
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So hi all, just a quick update. This is my interpretation of Hopeful's jig to sand the stern. Basically a few pieces of junk wood glued and nailed together and some wood putty added to shape the curve correctly. While it looks slightly lumpy it will eventually be covered with sandpaper so doesn't have to look perfect. More pics to come!
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- uss frolick, trippwj, mtaylor and 2 others
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Yes back to the John Adams indeed! very interesting notes though I am a bit confused. How many times was she a corvette and a frigate? Sounds like she was converted several times? Also Wikipedia's entry on John Adams is confusing. It doesn't differentiate between the original and rebuilt ship claiming it lasted until 1867 (which I am assuming it was rebuilt the same way Constellation and Macedonian were). If I were to build a model of her it would most likely be as the sleek corvette Also any info on the elusive General Greene?
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To Bob: Yes I carved away some of the bulwarks then sanded the rest down in order to meet the camber lines. The way they carved the hull looks like the work of a dremel and you can see circular patterns in the carving some of which went a little too far at the edges making the camber kinda "w" shaped. With a mixture of sanding and wood putty I made the curve equivalent to the camber template. The top of the solid hull deck required virtually no sanding so using the tools all I did was sand away from the center to avoid changing the hull shape. It seems each hull is a bit different from each other, if you've been reading Chuck's practicum his was quite different than mine and looking as yours seems different as well.
To Michael: Yes I know exactly what you mean. When I lined the templates up from center line to center line the template didn't match the plan lines for some reason so basically I redrew the centerline which lay in between the cl and r (you'll see a tiny dash at the bottom). Most of the people I showed it to said I should throw out the templates entirely but I figured I could maybe salvage them since they had the right shape overall. I added a picture to show you what I mean, however if you see something I don't feel free to let me know.
To Mike: Thank you very much for the praise. I'm really enjoying this process overall, each challenge is teaching me something new and getting me ready for the next part of the building process though can't wait to be done with fairing and onto planking lol. I'm hoping one day to make an HMS Badger which looks as good as yours
- mtaylor, Canute and Landlubber Mike
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Both Chuck's practicum and Hopeful's build log have been invaluable to me in this process. I see what you both mean about the sanding block. I'll have to determine the right angle using the plans and put together some sort of jig which to sand. The back now as it is so uneven. I appreciate the good words and encouragement.
Charlie
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This is all great stuff. Im going to track down the resources mentioned (page 49) and see. The depection you mentioned with the seven windows and upper deck windows sounds on the mark. That painting posted looks a bit wierd though and yes looks more like the stern for the java class.
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The process wasn't nearly as hard as it sounds but this is the finished result. The top of the hull all nice and even so now I can flip her over and nail her to the board. Note the deck templates laid out, the middle one seems a bit small but that's because the sides of the quarter and forecastle deck's will be planked 1/8" by 1/16" inch planks.
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- Stoyne, shipmodel, Landlubber Mike and 3 others
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Making the deck look just right requires looking at it from just about every direction, top, forward, backwards and sideways. To help with this process I made another template form the plans. This is a side profile view that shows the angling the deck should run from fore to aft. See the area circled is not even and dips down due to the cutting away of the excess wood. This was easily fixed with wood putty which I apply and smooth out with the good ole' fingers. The method model shipways uses to camber the deck looks like a dremel so while it's pretty close to where it should be, using wood putty ensures the camber is smooth with as few flaws as possible. Doesn't have to be perfect since this will be covered with planking.
- Canute, Landlubber Mike and mtaylor
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- GuntherMT, mtaylor and Landlubber Mike
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Now that all the lines are drawn I can clearly see what parts of the top of the hull need to be sawed off and where. Using the camber piece noted on the plans I made a little camber template. Then lined it up to the hull. As you can clearly see the hull camber is not even close but this will change... Shhh, pay no attention to the spy in the corner
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The next major step is to fair the deck. Reason why I chose the deck first is because I intend to fair the hull itself by nailing it to the measurement board and wanted the top of the hull to be level to the board. With the board I placed the deck pieces as so and added the lines on the deck templates. Then using a piece of styrene and a ruler I slowly placed the template lines around the hull. These will be erased many times during the fairing process but they let you know where everything should be.
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Ok so been tinkering away for the last couple of weeks and here is where I am at now. First thing I did was to assemble a cradle. While this isn't so much important at this point it gives you something to lay the model on while you begin the fairing process. I used #3 and #7 template to get the general shape. While it doesn't fit snug at this point it doesn't have to. BTW thanks to Dan for the use of his cutting machine
- Canute, Landlubber Mike and mtaylor
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Brig USS Enterprise 1799 info gathering
in Nautical/Naval History
Posted · Edited by CharlieZardoz
Next we have the two classic illustrations which offer a very good idea of what she looked like overall. One appears to be before the rebuild and the other after when she was rigged as a brig.