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GALEON SAN JOSE FOUND WORTH $10 BILLION
jbshan replied to marinero's topic in Nautical/Naval History
It is entirely likely that no more of the structure remains than the floors out to the bilges and perhaps a tiny bit of a side. In any event, at 800 ft. of water, the possibilities of excavation are slim. I'll take the educated guess of Sr. Rodriguez over my own, certainly. I thought it would be somewhere between the 1588 Armada, of which there are many paintings, and English or French of 1700, but didn't know where that might be. The model is very helpful as a best guess approximation by somebody with knowledge in the field. -
GALEON SAN JOSE FOUND WORTH $10 BILLION
jbshan replied to marinero's topic in Nautical/Naval History
Thanks for the pics, Anaga. This is a well-armed ship, but a little less so than an English or French warship of the same size would have been. -
There were two components to a Flota. There was a merchant component and an escort component. The escort might consist of several ships, the top ranked officer, the Captain General, sailing in the Capitana, the second-ranked officer, the Admiral, sailing in the Almiranta. These were warships, provided by the Crown, and would be charged with transporting the bulk of the gold and silver. This particular ship was part of the Tierra Firme or Galeones fleet. They entered the Carribean between Trinidad and Tobago, sailing along the coast of South America to Cartegena. The merchant ships would be trading along the way. The warships would go from Cartegena to Porto Bello to pick up silver mined in Peru, then back to Cartegena to wait for the merchantmen to finish up, then on to Havana to meet up with the other fleet, the New Mexico Flota, which had called at ports along the northern part of the Caribbean and Mexico at Vera Cruz. Both fleets would then cross the Atlantic together. The escort may have resembled East India Company ships, but were warships.
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Since there are no port lids, though there may have been 'bucklers' for heavy weather, I think you could just go ahead and have them run out. There would be no 'docking', the vessels would have used their anchors.
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As I said in another topic, a state-owned ship remains the property of that state, a war grave as it were. This case would be as if HMS Victory sank off San Francisco harbor carrying millions to pay the troops and we claimed it.
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Clara May
jbshan replied to Moxis's topic in Discussion for a Ship's Deck Furniture, Guns, boats and other Fittings
Jim Lad's got the binnacle, and it's back just in front of the wheel. Didn't see it back there, was focused on the structures near the mast. The stern deadwood (see the Bude link above) would make the bilge drain down at least very near the foot of the mast. This is a modern version of the elm tree pump, set low near to deck level. I should think it was kind of hard on the back to work the handle for very long. -
Clara May
jbshan replied to Moxis's topic in Discussion for a Ship's Deck Furniture, Guns, boats and other Fittings
Right hand is pumps, I believe, of a type still used, there would be a short handle on each. Left hand arrow is the binnacle, compass inside, the two circles I believe are vents for the oil lanterns inside. Pump- an older version of this one- Binnacle- this has only one vent, and the vent is taller than is shown on your plan-
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Question about Spinnakers & Stunsails
jbshan replied to strangway03's topic in Masting, rigging and sails
Speaking fantasmally, if you took in all the square sails on the fore mast, you could mount a huge spinnaker on that mast, I would think. Check out the movie 'Wind'. That sail might be big enough to go around most of the fore staysails.
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I just cut the legs a foot long and stuck the extra into holes drilled into the deck. Make a little stop cut at deck level and shape the excess to round.
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On some points of the wind the square course would be used, on others the fore and aft course. The main purpose is to balance the rig, not particularly propulsion.
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There may have been an explosion that didn't pulverize the structure so the guns, anchors and bottom timbers stayed pretty much in place. It's in 800 feet of water so kind of hard to survey, plus the legal battle has probably delayed any exploration.
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Bolt Heads on Brass Strips
jbshan replied to mikiek's topic in Metal Work, Soldering and Metal Fittings
It's a strap and ring to take the inhaul tackle? I think I made a little slot in the back of the bed for an eyebolt and used a piece of paper for the strap. You could use the slot and eyebolt as I did and maybe use a punch from the back to make a dimple to simulate the bolts on the strap. It's pretty small, I just left off the bolts there and on the front curved plate. The bolt heads might be as much as 1/128 inch (half inch in scale). -
Think about ways to support it upside down for doing the planking. Your new vise is nice, but perhaps will need some fingers to get onto the center plate from the top while you plank the outside of the hull. That's why I like my Amati vise, plus it has a fairly sturdy base with the swivel fitting and doesn't need screwing down. Tadeusz has a couple of set ups that might give some ideas.
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The lower mizzen yard on your ship is called a cro'jack yard and is used to spread the foot of the topsail. It indeed is a holdover from the days of the lateen yard. Other rigs used a method to carry the fore edge of the fore and aft sail and allow the use of a square sail, but you don't need to worry about those right now.
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Most of the 'cargo' would have been gold, silver and jewels. They don't take up a lot of room, perhaps one small compartment. At least as much came on board as contraband, which is why many went out in the first place, a chance to get stinking rich, if they could sneak it by the government inspectors in Spain. Lots of space in the hold for food and water, though perhaps the sleeping accommodations were a bit less savory than the quality was used to.
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Sailors, gunners (not the same people as the crew was navy, the gunners military), assorted supernumeraries and other passengers and their entourages. A new appointee coming out to take up a post would have many 'servants'. Also, they left Spain, stopped perhaps at the Canaries then across to New Spain, not going near the slave trading entrepots of the Guinea Coast. These were perhaps larger than comparable English warships as they also served as cargo, trading and passenger conveyances. Perhaps a better comparison could be made with East India Company or VOC ships.
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I doubt this was a slaving ship. There may have been a few 'servants' but the main purpose of the armadas was bringing back gold, silver and jewels to Spain. They might have carried a cargo of cocoa beans or other luxury goods.
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It's from MATH-ematic-S, not arithmetic. Crossing cultures is like mixing grain and grapes. You wind up with a fruit-flavored malt beverage.
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Besides smoothness, the second layer of plank would give you the correct thickness. Your copper probably wouldn't be set back a couple of inches from the topsides, in most cases.
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The block between the bitts would have a square mortice cut in it and the bowsprit a square tenon to fit so the bowsprit doesn't have a tendency to rotate. The bitts would have long legs going down far enough to securely anchor them, perhaps to the keelson level, so would be strong enough to support the heel of the bowsprit. If you have the Antscherl that should give you enough information to be going forward with.
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Whatever may happen above, the mast below the partners probably will not be larger than the hole through the partners; it's sort of like putting five gallons in a two gallon bucket.
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My English friend, who took his 'A-Levels' in Chaucerian literature, Uses a 'Spelle Chequer' which seems to work for him.
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I use a piece of stripwood or piece cut out of sheet about 1/2 inch wide and 9 inches long, sandpaper held on by double-stik tape. This is flexible enough to span maybe three bulkheads in a nice even curve. It does the sanding and helps check for fairness at the same time. If you use a file or stiff block you'll be doing one bulkhead at a time and have to keep checking the curve against planking stock.
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Try 'maths'. They go to 'the cinema'. On the unnecessary use of 'U', I believe the Empire fell because of all the ink and paper wasted by the use of the 'superfluous u'.
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The mast is largest where is passes through the deck, sorry. That's the pivot for the whole thing when under strain.
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