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jbshan got a reaction from mtaylor in Brigs Niagara and Lawrence
Melbourne Smith made reference to others of the Brown brothers' works of which we have more information in his new design for Niagara. He also made the hull long enough to accommodate the correct number of guns and carronades on deck, which the 1913 and 1933 versions did not, as Chapelle noted at the time. The story of Smith's reconstruction is in Seaways' Ships in Scale, end of '91, start of '92, for those who have the magazines or CD.
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jbshan got a reaction from trippwj in Brigs Niagara and Lawrence
The painting was done shortly after the battle by one of the British officers. It shows Niagara from the stern and Lawrence from broadside. I got a glimpse of it in color and there seems to be no stripe of any distinction on Lawrence's side. She does show a typical head with headrails, billet with scroll, etc. which seems contraindicated by the textual information.
Chuck, everything I have seen tends to the belief that Niagara was raised in 1876 and sent to the Philadelphia Centennial Exposition where she burned along with her protective enclosure. The vessel presumed to be Queen Charlotte was destroyed in a flood at Buffalo after a career as a merchant vessel. The Queen Charlotte herself was raised in 1913, identified as Niagara and restored and put on display. The current restoration has no particular identity with that 1913 vessel and may be as close as we are going to get to the 1813 brig.
That's all off the top of my head and subject to change after consultation with my notes, but that's my take on it.
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jbshan got a reaction from Captain Al in MAYFLOWER by Captain Al - Model Shipways
Are you sure that aftmost port is still at 76 degs.? It looks to my eye to be about 75 degs. 30 min.
Just pulling your leg. One more fiddly bit to deal with, but ensconced in the 'no straight lines nor any right angles' challenge.
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jbshan got a reaction from mtaylor in Anchor Hoy c. 1825 by Maury S - FINISHED - 1:48 - Harbor craft - POF
I haven't been watching lately, but catching up now I could 'like' every post, Maury. For future reference, if you want to highlight that scarf joint, just knock off the corners on top of the rail with two licks of fine sandpaper.
David Anscherl's Swan class series has an intriguing method of doing a rudder, if you have that series. It's one of those 'now how'd he do that' sort of things.
And... I obviously hadn't gotten up to date when I wrote that. I was still a page out, but the Swan class series does have lots of excellent material, even if you aren't building that particular vessel.
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jbshan got a reaction from Tigersteve in MAYFLOWER by Captain Al - Model Shipways
Are you sure that aftmost port is still at 76 degs.? It looks to my eye to be about 75 degs. 30 min.
Just pulling your leg. One more fiddly bit to deal with, but ensconced in the 'no straight lines nor any right angles' challenge.
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jbshan reacted to Maury S in Anchor Hoy c. 1825 by Maury S - FINISHED - 1:48 - Harbor craft - POF
The upper rails have been given another two diluted coats of paint (MS Hull/Spar Black).
The scarf joint near the bow is clearly visible at this magnification.
Now off to work on a rudder issue.
Maury
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jbshan reacted to uss frolick in Brigs Niagara and Lawrence
No davits on sloops of war during the War-of-1812, at least according to an 1813 letter written by Jacob Jones of the Wasp I, following the battle with the Frolic. He saw an approaching British ship, bow on, which carried davits, and so he ran away because, according to him, davits meant a frigate or a ship-of-the-line. The ship was the 74-gun liner Poictiers, which captured him.
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jbshan got a reaction from Deperdussin1910 in Brigs Niagara and Lawrence
Melbourne Smith made reference to others of the Brown brothers' works of which we have more information in his new design for Niagara. He also made the hull long enough to accommodate the correct number of guns and carronades on deck, which the 1913 and 1933 versions did not, as Chapelle noted at the time. The story of Smith's reconstruction is in Seaways' Ships in Scale, end of '91, start of '92, for those who have the magazines or CD.
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jbshan got a reaction from Canute in Brigs Niagara and Lawrence
The painting was done shortly after the battle by one of the British officers. It shows Niagara from the stern and Lawrence from broadside. I got a glimpse of it in color and there seems to be no stripe of any distinction on Lawrence's side. She does show a typical head with headrails, billet with scroll, etc. which seems contraindicated by the textual information.
Chuck, everything I have seen tends to the belief that Niagara was raised in 1876 and sent to the Philadelphia Centennial Exposition where she burned along with her protective enclosure. The vessel presumed to be Queen Charlotte was destroyed in a flood at Buffalo after a career as a merchant vessel. The Queen Charlotte herself was raised in 1913, identified as Niagara and restored and put on display. The current restoration has no particular identity with that 1913 vessel and may be as close as we are going to get to the 1813 brig.
That's all off the top of my head and subject to change after consultation with my notes, but that's my take on it.
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jbshan reacted to RichieG in MAYFLOWER by Captain Al - Model Shipways
Al, I think it all looks great, and all the pieces are glued on upside-right for sure. In fact, the only criticism that I can make (and I'm always looking to make some kind of criticism) is that I think that when say 'camphor' (which is a waxy product of the camphor tree which smells a lot like menthol), you probably mean 'camber' (which means to arch slightly; bend or curve upward in the middle). Other than that, I can't think of anything to say other than 'good job!'
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jbshan got a reaction from mikiek in Brigs Niagara and Lawrence
The painting was done shortly after the battle by one of the British officers. It shows Niagara from the stern and Lawrence from broadside. I got a glimpse of it in color and there seems to be no stripe of any distinction on Lawrence's side. She does show a typical head with headrails, billet with scroll, etc. which seems contraindicated by the textual information.
Chuck, everything I have seen tends to the belief that Niagara was raised in 1876 and sent to the Philadelphia Centennial Exposition where she burned along with her protective enclosure. The vessel presumed to be Queen Charlotte was destroyed in a flood at Buffalo after a career as a merchant vessel. The Queen Charlotte herself was raised in 1913, identified as Niagara and restored and put on display. The current restoration has no particular identity with that 1913 vessel and may be as close as we are going to get to the 1813 brig.
That's all off the top of my head and subject to change after consultation with my notes, but that's my take on it.
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jbshan got a reaction from mtaylor in Brigs Niagara and Lawrence
The painting was done shortly after the battle by one of the British officers. It shows Niagara from the stern and Lawrence from broadside. I got a glimpse of it in color and there seems to be no stripe of any distinction on Lawrence's side. She does show a typical head with headrails, billet with scroll, etc. which seems contraindicated by the textual information.
Chuck, everything I have seen tends to the belief that Niagara was raised in 1876 and sent to the Philadelphia Centennial Exposition where she burned along with her protective enclosure. The vessel presumed to be Queen Charlotte was destroyed in a flood at Buffalo after a career as a merchant vessel. The Queen Charlotte herself was raised in 1913, identified as Niagara and restored and put on display. The current restoration has no particular identity with that 1913 vessel and may be as close as we are going to get to the 1813 brig.
That's all off the top of my head and subject to change after consultation with my notes, but that's my take on it.
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jbshan got a reaction from druxey in Brigs Niagara and Lawrence
The painting was done shortly after the battle by one of the British officers. It shows Niagara from the stern and Lawrence from broadside. I got a glimpse of it in color and there seems to be no stripe of any distinction on Lawrence's side. She does show a typical head with headrails, billet with scroll, etc. which seems contraindicated by the textual information.
Chuck, everything I have seen tends to the belief that Niagara was raised in 1876 and sent to the Philadelphia Centennial Exposition where she burned along with her protective enclosure. The vessel presumed to be Queen Charlotte was destroyed in a flood at Buffalo after a career as a merchant vessel. The Queen Charlotte herself was raised in 1913, identified as Niagara and restored and put on display. The current restoration has no particular identity with that 1913 vessel and may be as close as we are going to get to the 1813 brig.
That's all off the top of my head and subject to change after consultation with my notes, but that's my take on it.
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jbshan got a reaction from thibaultron in Brigs Niagara and Lawrence
The painting was done shortly after the battle by one of the British officers. It shows Niagara from the stern and Lawrence from broadside. I got a glimpse of it in color and there seems to be no stripe of any distinction on Lawrence's side. She does show a typical head with headrails, billet with scroll, etc. which seems contraindicated by the textual information.
Chuck, everything I have seen tends to the belief that Niagara was raised in 1876 and sent to the Philadelphia Centennial Exposition where she burned along with her protective enclosure. The vessel presumed to be Queen Charlotte was destroyed in a flood at Buffalo after a career as a merchant vessel. The Queen Charlotte herself was raised in 1913, identified as Niagara and restored and put on display. The current restoration has no particular identity with that 1913 vessel and may be as close as we are going to get to the 1813 brig.
That's all off the top of my head and subject to change after consultation with my notes, but that's my take on it.
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jbshan got a reaction from CharlieZardoz in Brigs Niagara and Lawrence
The painting was done shortly after the battle by one of the British officers. It shows Niagara from the stern and Lawrence from broadside. I got a glimpse of it in color and there seems to be no stripe of any distinction on Lawrence's side. She does show a typical head with headrails, billet with scroll, etc. which seems contraindicated by the textual information.
Chuck, everything I have seen tends to the belief that Niagara was raised in 1876 and sent to the Philadelphia Centennial Exposition where she burned along with her protective enclosure. The vessel presumed to be Queen Charlotte was destroyed in a flood at Buffalo after a career as a merchant vessel. The Queen Charlotte herself was raised in 1913, identified as Niagara and restored and put on display. The current restoration has no particular identity with that 1913 vessel and may be as close as we are going to get to the 1813 brig.
That's all off the top of my head and subject to change after consultation with my notes, but that's my take on it.
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jbshan got a reaction from uss frolick in Brigs Niagara and Lawrence
The painting was done shortly after the battle by one of the British officers. It shows Niagara from the stern and Lawrence from broadside. I got a glimpse of it in color and there seems to be no stripe of any distinction on Lawrence's side. She does show a typical head with headrails, billet with scroll, etc. which seems contraindicated by the textual information.
Chuck, everything I have seen tends to the belief that Niagara was raised in 1876 and sent to the Philadelphia Centennial Exposition where she burned along with her protective enclosure. The vessel presumed to be Queen Charlotte was destroyed in a flood at Buffalo after a career as a merchant vessel. The Queen Charlotte herself was raised in 1913, identified as Niagara and restored and put on display. The current restoration has no particular identity with that 1913 vessel and may be as close as we are going to get to the 1813 brig.
That's all off the top of my head and subject to change after consultation with my notes, but that's my take on it.
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jbshan got a reaction from coxswain in Brigs Niagara and Lawrence
They are described in more than one source as being exactly the same.
Dr. Usher Parsons: 'precisely alike...built and rigged precisely alike'.
They were also armed exactly alike, 2 12 pdrs. and 18 32 pdr. carronades for each vessel.
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jbshan reacted to Chuck Seiler in Brigs Niagara and Lawrence
Never one to let an anthill go unmolested....
There are some that say the NIAGARA that was recovered and documented, and which all the models and replicas are based, is actually the QUEEN CHARLOTTE.
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jbshan got a reaction from Canute in Brigs Niagara and Lawrence
They are described in more than one source as being exactly the same.
Dr. Usher Parsons: 'precisely alike...built and rigged precisely alike'.
They were also armed exactly alike, 2 12 pdrs. and 18 32 pdr. carronades for each vessel.
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jbshan got a reaction from CharlieZardoz in Brigs Niagara and Lawrence
They are described in more than one source as being exactly the same.
Dr. Usher Parsons: 'precisely alike...built and rigged precisely alike'.
They were also armed exactly alike, 2 12 pdrs. and 18 32 pdr. carronades for each vessel.
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jbshan got a reaction from Jack12477 in Brigs Niagara and Lawrence
They are described in more than one source as being exactly the same.
Dr. Usher Parsons: 'precisely alike...built and rigged precisely alike'.
They were also armed exactly alike, 2 12 pdrs. and 18 32 pdr. carronades for each vessel.
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jbshan got a reaction from Piet in SS Kaiser Wilhelm der Grosse 1897 by Mirabell61 - FINISHED - scale 1:144 - POF - first German four stacker of the Norddeutscher Lloyd line
Just a little side note.
This ship is noted as being the first with four funnels. She indeed held the Blue Ribbon for a while. It seems the folks wanting to emigrate would so much rather sail on a ship with four funnels as being a 'better ship' that some ships were built with a false fourth funnel to attract ticket sales. As an example, the fourth funnel on Titanic was used to exhaust gases from the galleys. An additional function on Titanic was to improve her righting arm by virtue of the weight of the funnel tube high up on the structure.
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jbshan got a reaction from thibaultron in Brigs Niagara and Lawrence
They are described in more than one source as being exactly the same.
Dr. Usher Parsons: 'precisely alike...built and rigged precisely alike'.
They were also armed exactly alike, 2 12 pdrs. and 18 32 pdr. carronades for each vessel.
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jbshan got a reaction from mtaylor in Brigs Niagara and Lawrence
They are described in more than one source as being exactly the same.
Dr. Usher Parsons: 'precisely alike...built and rigged precisely alike'.
They were also armed exactly alike, 2 12 pdrs. and 18 32 pdr. carronades for each vessel.
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jbshan reacted to Captain Al in Mayflower by RichieG - Model Shipways MS2020
Lookin good. I agree that at this scale its hard to get trenails to look realistically small. I don't know how soft this planking is but I found on Bounty that the sharpened pencil made a good enough indentation -- enough to avoid drilling all the holes. And I'm just guessing, but I would bet that the wood filler is unnecessary if you paint the whole wall with sanding lacquer; maybe but not necessarily two coats. That would fill the holes without all blotch marks. You might also consider doing the staining first, then the trenailing and then the coat of lacquer. Will you be putting rings or something on the doors? A small eyebolt with a ring hung in it makes a good looking door knob (of sorts).
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