Cabbie

Hello to all, just a little question for the brains trust.

I am just wondering about the wales on my Mermaid, will they be plain planks or can/should they be a patterned plank?

From my log

"The wale trim strip will sit on the bottom of the lower plank, with the channels in line, then 2 wale planks and then the lower trim strip.

They will have to turn under the transom a bit."

Thanks Chris

Booyah!!! Planking at last. And yes change my mind again, switched over to the pale planks to go along with the gun ports.

The wale trim strip will sit on the bottom of the lower plank, with the channels in line, then 2 wale planks and then the lower trim strip.

They will have to turn under the transom a bit.

I have been working out the general hull planking.

At this stage there will be 2 or 3 steelers at the stern, maybe some dropped planks into the bow and under the wales

close to the bow. And maybe I will have to partake in some "faux spiling"

I suppose on a boat like this the wales were just plain planks? And the standard plank length?

Ha, would have been better if i did a spell check, lol.

generally means hard, strenuous work.

Morning James, Certainly earned yourself a T shirt. Its hard yakka planking a boat like this with the materials

they give you. Some planks need to be spiled, but there are no wider ones to do it.

Bit you got there and it has a very nice slightly weather beaten look about.

For a first build it is something to be very pleased with.

I see you have a few steelers in there I am thinking I will need 2 or 3 on mine.

Hooroo Chris

1 hour ago, Rick01 said:

Over in Aus. between local natives and Javanese pirates our survey vessels did suffer the occasional bit of "battle damage",

 

Rick 

Not so much the battle damage. I was never really happy using the deck planking material supplied.

And now that we have discussed so much  about the planking, wales ect, I don't know if the deck suits the boat.

I have a new version for the outside that i really like and will think about the deck again later.

Cheers Chris

Good Morning Edward

Welcome to MSW and ship modelling.

A lot of first time builders run into trouble with the hull planking.

Certainly a major skill to master. I have seen but didn't take a lot

of notice, some kits come with pre-spiled planks, and off the top

of my head i don't think they were necessarily big ships.

Have a look through the kit logs and the model site adds on the side bar.

And most importantly when building, take it easy and enjoy

Hooroo Chris

Nah, Don't throw out the ship. Do it again.

I am seriously thinking about re-doing my deck,

some clumsy type around here has knock it around a bit'

and hit it with the drill bit a few times.

All in good Fun!!!!!!!!!!!!!

16 minutes ago, JamesBhm said:

I've always been baffled by that too. I wondered if maybe that was some rough blocking off of the sketch before he painted and he repositioned the gunports as he painted? Who knows. 

 

Sounds as defensible as anything else we've come up with!

Just has to be! My brain has had enough. I want to get on with the planking.

Two pics of how my instructions say it should look, except their

pictures are different to their plans.

I will do mine as in the first pic with the channels under the trim strip and on the top face of the wales, except

mine will be 2mm lower as I didn't cut the gun port holes int the top walnut strip.

I want to keep the wales as high up as possible.

Morning James

"I've been worried I'm overthinking things or missing something obvious"

"so we could be jousting with windmills!"

I think you just about covered it all

I don't like that endeavour river pic, If you zoom in, the gun ports seem to go all the

way up to the capping rail and with the dark rectangle on the white, I think that makes them too tall.

There is still room under the white to place the wales in that pic.

Its funny how that rounded transom keeps showing in theses drawings.

I think with that model and gun port drawing you have that is only a trim piece, to me

the wales are below the ports.

I think i have decided for me and my model i will put the wales under the ports and

probably cut the wales trim piece between the ports.

Hi Don, all is good over here work has been way to busy here, so I had to

come back to modelling to regain some sanity.😕

Which would be more common the channels placed on the wales at the top,

or just above the wales inline with the wales trim strip? Which means the wales trim strip drops down to underneath the gun ports.

Or perhaps just ditch the trim strip. i will post pic of trim strip the plans have later.

Ugh, work calls now catch you all later.

Cheers Chris

Good morning to all, thanks for looking in and the likes, much appreciated.

I am still trying to sort out where to put the wales, channels, wale trim strips.

Does it matter if the channels sit on the wales?, been hunting around but seems hard to find.

And a big Hi to you Don, do you have any projects going at the moment.

It must be still cold and white over there, we need rain here, very dry and dusty all over.

Its going to be a bad drought if it doesn't rain soon.

Hooroo Chris

View at the Encampment in Careening Bay, Where the Mermaid Was Repaired. From a Sketch by P.P. King (London: John Murray, May 1825), nla.obj-136063558 

I was just thinking of it in terms of seeing another model that looks something like

what we are trying to build.

Chris

Hunting around the net tonight I found this site with the picture below of a cutter and thought

it looked pretty close to our subject. Though it is meant to be a bit later built and French.

From Here,     https://wiki.eanswers.net/en/Cutter_(boat)

It seemed to look a lot like the pic of Mermaid beached at Careening Bay.

From Here  https://www.nla.gov.au/blogs/behind-the-scenes/2016/09/28/swallowed-by-the-sea-the-mermaid

And similar to last from post 61

Discovered something else this evening, the transom is not tall enough.

There also is a 2mm thick cap rail to be put on. I will have to add about

12mm in height. I will cut it back to the plank join at the top of the walnut strip

and add on another piece of ply from an off cut.

Is this the correct way for the davits to sit? I have seen

a couple of models with the timber sitting the other way and increasing in height.

Thanks Chris

Thanks for the heads up with the chanels, totally forgot about them, another thing

to check before I start planking.

And for the gun port drawings, i have been wondering about how they are meant to be done properly.

Cheers Chris

Yeah the planking is a task and a 1/2, too many little things

keep coming up to work through.

Very nice Matt, Planking looks nice and tight.

I am just about to do my Mermaid with the same planking material.

Looking at yours reminded me to to the transom first. Thanks Chris

10 hours ago, Blue Ensign said:

To my eye Chris, the wales in that position look too high, and they would never be cut between gun ports, they were an important element to maintain the rigidity of the hull.

It was not unusual for the wale to curve a little at the round of the hull at the stern; this is not the case with Cheerful, but was in the case of Pegasus.

 

B.E.

 

Thanks BE That is what I was thinking, just wouldn't be correct.

Yes Gregory the whale are the lighter colored strip which I have run out of.

When i did the deck it looked like I wouldn't have enough, that's why the racing stripes made an appearance.

I have placed a few test strips and it

doesn't seem to be curving too much under the transom, not enough

anyway to alter the gun port height.😨

A question for the wise and knowledgeable

On the pic attached, below the walnut strip is according to the plans where the whales

are to be placed, by the measurements given from the plans.

The pics from the plans show them under the ports                             

Is it ok for them to be cut either side of the gun ports.

Or should they be under, if they were to be under they would probably bend around under the transom too much.

Maybe I messed up the height of the ports.

What would be the correct technique?
Thanks Chris

Good Evening James

How is the planking going, looking very good so far

Have you had a look at where the whales are to be placed. Just been looking

at mine and they will be cut in-between the gun ports. I don't know

if this is correct ship building or not.

The pics of the of the ship with the plans have them under the gun ports.

I think i should have cut my ports higher up.

Cheers Chris

Thanks BE, now please excuse me whilst i go and look up scuppers.

Now for a Newbies question. How is the water meant to clear from the deck of these boats?

When i did my swift i put in slots to clear the seawater.

Thanks Chris

On 4/20/2019 at 12:36 PM, vossiewulf said:

I've looked at as many contemporary cutter models as I can find, and I've never seen a gun port lid of any kind on any of them.

Thanks Vossie i have been wondering about what to do about lids, leave them off sounds good to me.

Rick showed me a drawing of the Mermaid with a cannon sticking out of the stern port (which I can't find now)

That will do me.

I have been looking back through your log BE magnificent looking model. I will be coming back here

to find out how to go about mine.

Cheers Chris

thanks rick & B.E. the skills are getting better, I hadn't realized how complicated this ship and model

building caper is, before i started. Too many skills to learn and knowledge to gain, probably never catch up to

builders like yourselves.

Oh dear I think I will change my name to "Slow Going" or something like that.

Though I have a bit done, framed the gun ports and planked the inside starboard bulwark.

I ditched the 3 by 2 walnut strip supplied with the kit for the deck trim and used some

3 by 1 that i had, the 3 by 2 just looked too big. The last pic is showing how the keel clamp helps to hold the

boat to do the inside planks.

Cheers Chris