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In the meantime, all the deck beams were in place and the stove could be provisionally adjusted. The next stage was the area between the stove and the fore capstan. First, the capstan was removed and the bottom plate from the 1788 plans was added. No one has yet been able to tell me its purpose ... And then glue it in and press it ... ... and public waiting, oups, the life of a model maker can be sooooo exciting ... And with that, something had happened that no one had ever dared to dream of, that no one had thought was humanly possible, something earth-shattering: This was the last piece to be fixed on the lower gundeck. Herewith I call this adventure finished 🙂 It was only 12 years since October 2009 for the lower gun deck 😉 Respectfully, with kind regards, Daniel Fischer (out of town after dictation) -
Due to the stress of the end of the year, I never found the time to record what has happened in the meantime ... The last work with the deck beams was only the prelude, the overture, even the prelude to greater things! So read and be amazed, truly unexpected things were going to happen! For the force was with me! But first things first. In mid-November the stupid virus got me, but thanks to vaccination only a mild course. Thus "boosted", it was an easier decision for me to help the colleagues from the club at the booth during the games fair in Stuttgart. As those were public handicraft lessons, my small one with the yellow and black lines that make her look slim was supposed to look pretty. With all the battle damage removed, into the car with all my other children - "Are we there soon?" "I feel sick" "I'm hungry!" "I have to pee!" and so on - and otherwise uneventful drive to the fair to set up 🙂 The booth of the [i]Arbeitskereis historischer Schiffsbau[/i] ... ... and the corner with all my bits and pieces. Because remember, fun is the fair life if: - you can send the offsprings to the "Reeperbahn" ... - and there is enough food for the fight 🙂
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But also bigger things happened, but never had the time to report. The force was with me! But before it was back to the model again 🙂 Repairing battle damage. I had simply installed the first beams without pre-bending but under tension, the correct curve was so automatically achieved, and it had worked quite well. At that time. What was not considered: Wood works, and in the meantime the beams had simply become longer and they were suddenly 2 mm higher and had even taken the supports with them :-≠ Removal of the whole beam was not possible without too much collateral damage, so a cut was made in the middle with the resin saw ... ... and sawed out the overhang and ... ... it fits again 🙂 Accordingly, the coamings of the middle deck could finally be continued. Also the small kitchen could finally get its foundation. And the tiler was also there. So things are happening again in the state of Victory 🙂 Greetings, DAniel
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Happy new year to you all, happy modelling and stay safe! Empty the vaults still: I did the fitting cat blocks fore the cat heads 🙂 XXXDAn
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There is just appearing a new set of instructions by Heller. To be found on their website 🙂 XXXDAn
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As you were already talking about the heller site: I was pointed out by Paul Bean at the new booklet of instructions for the Vic: https://www.heller.fr/en/80897176-brochure-hms-victory-1080897176 XXXDAn
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The big beam is the slide for the beam of the gaff, the iron fitting can be seen on the starbord side. The handle of the pintle is special for those statenyacht. I sketched the hidden parts. The pintle (blue lines) passes unterneath the blue bulkhead that is not linked to the deck. The slot is covered with a cloth, green arrows. On the pintle is a column (red lines) to maneuver. Even with right trimm the rudder has a tendency to pull on one side. This is facilitated with the tackle. If it needs to be corrected towards the other side, push with the foot - that is why my foot is on the pintle - or the hand. Here you can see that the column is not in touch with the big bar. This was while leaving the harbor under motor, so no tackles were used. These are some pictures of the sailing day we had with our german modeling forum 🙂 25 German pirates invading the dutch harbor and cutting out the Utrecht 😉 The ransom was paid by the skipper with fennel soup. XXXDAn
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Not 5000 tons but still an experience 🙂 The "Utrecht" in Amsterdam. XXXDAn PS: I love the scared face of the skipper 🙂 🙂 🙂
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The Young Sea Officer's Sheet Anchor, American edition 1843
dafi replied to bruce d's topic in Nautical/Naval History
Always worth the study! XXXDAn- 1 reply
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Thank you all for your input. Having had a closer look at other pictures of the Princess Royal, I am not so sure as if the groove served a purpose. Many other edges on different parts show that kind of groove as a mere decorative feature. If one looks at the position of the tongue at Princess Royale 1773, the tongue goes flat agains a coaming so that drainage appears less probable, or it would better have been pointing the other way. The same setup is on the Ocean 1761. Interesting to see, that this plan matches the model of Princess a 100%. The Vics drawings of 1788 show the tongue on the main/fore capstan step. The picture of today´s capstans I do not use for reference, as they are 1920 repairs or reconstructions. Also I agree that for structural / strength reasons or to hold pawls the design of the step should be more massive than it is. XXXDAn
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Thank you druxey, to make things more challenging, I found this tongue on either fore or aft capstan, but never on both so far, and also either pointing forewards and backwards without a reason to conclude why ... A first thought was to avoid water to drag into the mechanics as for the form of the groove on the tongue - like the cutting board for roasted meat - but as in Princess Royale it would lead the water against the coaming of the hatch so I think it can be ruled out. To give more support on the adjectant beams it is too weak for my personal judgement. I would have expected a less delicate form. Perhaps something to facilitate the cable to slide atop the step towards the whelps? XXXDAn
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Here still the version for the fore capstan of my Vic as seen on the plans of 1788. XXXDAn
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On many english ships one can see a capstan step with a tongue. What was this shape for. Here is the one from Princess Royale. The tongue extended to the aft to butt against the hedge ledge. On plans of other ships it extends both aft or front. So now my question: What was this feature for? XXXDAn
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Manning the capstan
dafi replied to dafi's topic in Discussion for a Ship's Deck Furniture, Guns, boats and other Fittings
This can be seen on other jobs too. As long as the marines were not needed on deck during battle, they were manned as auxiliaries at the guns. So here one red frock on each side to help pulling the tackles 🙂 XXXDAn -
As for the wooden and metal parts of the capstans there are many sources of the different solutions being used considering the time of the build or repair. More obscure to me is the human factor, how were they exactly manned, better saying what was the right pushing position? The image one usually has in the head is that the man stands behind the bar and has the arms stretched, like in the first pictures, if properly done the thumps upwards together with the other fingers. On the last two pictures the men are not pushing with the arms but with the chest, having the arms - sometimes even crossed - in the front of the bar. The second version is very much to be seen by images of the Imperial German Navy, in english pictures (graphics and photos) the long arm is more common. Now the RMG collection finally provided a high resolution scan of "Hoisting anchor and stowing the cable" PAI5027 and in having a good look I believe that the marines tend to push the bar with the chest and have the arms in the front of the bar. Could this be correct? Are there any objections against this use of the manpower? All the best, Daniel
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Steam bending on real ships
dafi replied to gak1965's topic in Building, Framing, Planking and plating a ships hull and deck
An d here is the one from the Batavia yard in Lelystad. Taken apart and stacked on top of each other. XXXDAn
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Steam bending on real ships
dafi replied to gak1965's topic in Building, Framing, Planking and plating a ships hull and deck
Here the smaller version on the ship yard of the Skellig in Douarnenez in France. Let the plank steam for 1.5 hours, then be fast as you only have about 2 minutes to put the plank on 🙂 As after the first bending the planks can´t be put into the oven again as for the curve, it had to fit on the first go. And this is what they did there More here: https://www.segelschiffsmodellbau.com/t291f235-Un-Langoustier-pour-Douarnenez-Werftbesuch-bei-der-Skellig.html It is in German but the automatic translator can be activated on the left bottom corner "Sprache wählen" All the best, Daniel
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The shrinking problem and your tolerances are still much better than the correctness of the hull 🙂 Your side pockets look to fit better than the original ones from Heller! As these parts are still made by hand* and not CAD they bear a lot of "off-measures". I think it is easier to go the classical modelers way with sanding and putty to make the parts fit. And by what I see the fit is already great seen this high complexity of the hull in these areas 🙂 XXXDAn *This is not a moaning as doing these parts was state of the art when the kit came out. Those toolmakers did a marvelous job!
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The board underneath the hammock cranes from teh forecastle is in deed an ectrapart mabe out of 0,5 mm sheet material 🙂 It protects the hammocks a bit from the spray fom the bow. Wonderful job you are doing. all the best, Daniel
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Actually I do not bother too much about it 🙂 First they are not appearent with the naked eye, second the paint is usually filling these steps up easily as they are that tiny, third I could easily sand or scratch them off if they proove calling attention, and possibly last I always turn the parts in a way, so that they are not in prominent places. XXXDAn
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