RFP

Tuesday, July 4, 2017
 
Despite the unlucky "PHOTOBUCKET" event, and therefore accepted, though with great sorrow, the loss of a wealth of personal memories, I decided that I'll continue with this journal until completion.
 
Obviously all the previous images are lost, or as we say in italy, are gone to infantry. 
So let's imagine to start from now.
 
I am now building, even if not removable, the so-called "falke". We are still far from completing them, but we already have an idea of how the hull completely changes . . From a boat low on the water we are now facing a high-sided boat, much more suitable for sailing.
 
Enjoy these images. These should be forever . .
 
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Regards, Jack.

Thanks for the update.  I've been really looking forward to this build.  I am fascinated with these little 'working boats' and know that your build will be very instructive to a newbie like me.  As soon as i tidy up about a g'zillion other (non-model) projects, I am going to build this beauty.  Again, thanks for such thorough posts.
 
Rob 

Thursday 20 April 2017
 
My stay in Tuscany is now approaching the end: next week I will be to the island of Elba for a short vacation that will allow me to see the island in the spring; people say it's very beautiful. Then again another 15 days and then I will return to Cinisello.
The next important step for completing this model is the construction of the so-called "falke" (I think it is translated in frisate), but for me this is an activity that is still to be understood, so I prefer to delay it when I'll resume work on this model.
So now I'm carrying on small "integrative" activities like the one described below with images. These are tables that are positioned fairly freely, between seats and having different functions . .
 
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Surely an important function is to serve as a table for the food, which is necessary to bring on board as these boats were in the sea from early morning to late evening . .
 
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Another usage was to make life a little more comfortable on board, adding more seats . .
 
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But, I think, the main function is to allow rowers to do their job, the picture below shows how the rowers work and we can understand that these boards put them in the most suitable position for rowing effectively . .
 
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These are details not provided in the kit, but can be seen in the photographs of the real boats, so why  omit them ?
 
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To next time, Jack.

Hi.
pictures of completed assembly.

view from the Bow.

View of the stern area. Part 17 was fixed in the lower position as you can see. I hope that Don is incorrect
 

Top/Plan view.
 
That will be it for now as will have no time to sit at my work table.
Maybe do a little more on Friday... fairing the frames for the planking.
 
Thanks for looking in.
Regards Antony.

Thanks for the update.  I've been really looking forward to this build.  I am fascinated with these little 'working boats' and know that your build will be very instructive to a newbie like me.  As soon as i tidy up about a g'zillion other (non-model) projects, I am going to build this beauty.  Again, thanks for such thorough posts.
 
Rob 

Hi.
Started on the construction today.
Started by cutting the Parts from the Laser cut sheets. Found that the veneer on the sheets was not quite bonded as it should be.. But not a issue. Easy glued.
 

The Tabs for holding the parts to the sheet could be better placed and not were the bulkhead meets the keel.
 


The Keel I will need to cover the Edges with Veneer as I will not be painting this boat.

The dry fitting in process. Slight gaps in the bulkheads as the bulkhead sheet might be thinner than standard..

The Gap is 1mm .. But the Keel if of the correct thickness and bulkheads slot needed sanding to fit.

This part really  stiffens the structure and if of a very good fit.

Just another angle of the stiffener.

Slight warp to the keel.

Will make a stand that will hold the keel straight and provide support while building.

Added the Deck supports. Found that the 10A if to high. Will check this later on when I can put a few planks across the deck and check its height again.

Part 11a can be glued into place .. why did they cut it out to start with ?? Also Part 17 according to the drawings below show that the top is level with the notch in the keel.

 

Here it also shows that part 17 is level with the notch in the keel.

Again  it also shows that part 17 is level with the notch in the keel.

No way is this correct.

Much to high.

This is the position I will use to fit part 17.

Another angle.

After cutting 1mm from the bottom of part 10a the planks lie on a natural curve and look good.
 
Next step will Glue the bulkheads to the keel and add the stiffener at the same time.
Will post more as I progress with the build.
 
Regards Antony.

Further images, greetings, Jack.
 
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Thursday and Friday, April 13-14, 2017
 
At the end I decided to install the seats . . .

There were some difficulties to solve, so I decided to do a test with some unused material. The first difficulty was to bend the strip which constitutes the seat, giving it a humpbacked curvature that was stable and, above all, reproducible in four equal pieces. At the end I opted for bonding two strips held to dry in a jig having per proper shape which gives it, once the glue is dried, an right curve.
Then I had to solve the problem of how to insert the seat in the right place. The following photo shows the solution I found.
 
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Picture 02 shows the method I used to obtain the required shape for the seat.
 
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The remaining images show the final result. I think it's a good achievement . .
 
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More significant images will follow soon. Salutoni, Jack.

Thursday, March 30, 2017
 
More details, the job begins to get interesting and fun. Now I'm back for 4/5 days in Milan, I plan to return to Pisa next Tuesday. So do not expect news soon.
 
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Oh, just clicking the "like" button just isn't enough for this.  I am mightily impressed with your craftsmanship.  I would be so proud if I were able to do this kind of work!  Looking forward to your next updates... 
 
And, stay healthy!
 
Rob

Hi.
This will be my next build.
I purchased the kit from https://www.rocrimodellismo.com/en/static-display-wooden-model-kits/1151-santa-lucia-sicilian-cargo-boat-wooden-assembly-kits-model-boats-and-sailing-vessel-mantua-model-panart-sergal.html
The reasons for this kit are the pleasing lines and simple construction.

Found some good information on the ship.
https://www.shipmodeling.ru/books/leudo  Language selection is in the top right corner.
Will post some pictures of the kit's contents tomorrow. 
At first glance the quality looks very good.
 
Regards Antony.

Good Morning Shipmates,
 
It has been a long voyage without significant discovery. Since I am about to embark on shore leave I present my latest progress on the Brazzera.
 
I have finished both sides of the hull from the scupper plank down. All planks (essentially 4 per strake), except maybe one or two, have been spiled at the bow and stern giving me a more level look without planks riding up at the bow and stern. Obviously this necessitated different walnut stock (from MarisStella, Don and my own), hence the multi-coloured planks. Not that you don't get that from a single source too.
 
For those interested in following this approach, the widest plank blanks would be about 35 mm with most being about 25 mm. Also keep in mind that in order to optimize the grain running lengthwise at the hook where the maximum bend will occur, you may want to have blank stock considerably wider than 35 mm. A consideration for doing this would be whether you decide to paint the hull which is obviously called for. Why go to all this trouble if you are going to paint? In the absence of spiling this hull poses severe edge bending challenges (I suppose less so depending on how you line out the geometry). Check out Zoran's log on the Brazerra/Trabakul to see the difference in his hull geometry. Just my two cents.
 
I have no idea whether spiling like this this would be a sacrilegious trespass to traditional Brazzera shipwrights, but unless someone tells me that this definitely would not be done, I will use this same method for my Trabakul when I get around to it. I would appreciate it if people weighed in on this issue. It will not offend me if I am called on my approach.
 
Some pictures are with mineral spirits so that I could spot excess glue. A couple of pictures show the notches in the planks at the bow before and after planking. There are actually two but they don't seem to both show up in the pictures.
 
Best, Ian
 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Oh, just clicking the "like" button just isn't enough for this.  I am mightily impressed with your craftsmanship.  I would be so proud if I were able to do this kind of work!  Looking forward to your next updates... 
 
And, stay healthy!
 
Rob

Tuesday, February 7, 2017  
Flu-like pandemic in my family . . .  
What written above I think justifies my long absence from this log. Personally I am still healthy, although I do not know if the matter is closed or will have a tail. If a tail will come surely it will be for me.  
So I had not much time for modeling . . shown below is the situation today: one step at a time, slowly will come the goal.  
A friendly greeting, Jack.
 
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Running rigging is now done.
New candidate for repetitive mindless job of the month: making dozens of rope coils for the belay point (last picture).
The rest are views of the essentially complete Morgan with coils for the spider bands and mainmast pinrail yet to be placed. I was hoping to be completely done (except the 7 whaleboats) before I leave the country for a week, but the coils took longer than expected and I won't have time to do the cutting-in stage and the paint touch ups here and there that it needs.
Only a day or two work remaining.

Friday, February 17, 2017  
Finally, I almost finished this long and tedious task . . now only a few small details are still missing.  
While considering that I haven't spent a lot of time on shipmodeling in this period, due to various setbacks, it was still a job that has challenged the "prince" of ship modeling attitudes: being patient.  
Could I spend less time if I used the CA glue instead of the vinyl one?
 
Most probably, but certainly the strength of the joints would not be the same, and here it is necessary to emphasize that this framework, for this specific model, plays a structural role rather seriously. In fact, now that the skeleton is almost complete, it works very well as an element that keeps rigid and not deformable the whole hull. This wasn't the same before this task, when it appeared like an empty shell. However, to avoid more risks, I left two fixed reinforcements (visible in the photos) plus one removable, that I will disinstall at the proper moment; they should prevent the shell to change its original shape.
 
I consider myself quite satisfied with the result even though, after a closer inspection, not all the ribs are perfectly aligned, perpendicular and equally spaced between them.
 
This goal seems like a pretty easy job to be achieved in the theory world, but incredibly difficult in practice. Indeed, probably impossible, because it is a problem that lies in the method of construction adopted, that is, 1) to prepare first the hull shell and 2) then subsequently build inside the backbone structure. There is the need to bend in the right shape every piece, to obtaining the correct camber bevel, to glue and clamp etc .. with all this matter to consider, errors of a few tenths of millimeter are very common.  
Anyway it should be emphasized that very little of this complex rib structure will be really visible when all the remaining fitting details will be installed.
 
For this reason, to avoid hiding almost the incredibly profused workload to get here, I'm thinking to setup the bottom fitting not completely closed, perhaps completely removable, in order to see these interesting details.
 
We will see later. Now here are some photos of the model as it is today. Sincerely, Jack.
 
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Following along... Can't wait until the next update!  
 
Rob

Following along... Can't wait until the next update!  
 
Rob

So here it is.  The final pictures of my Mare Nostrum.  I finished tonight.  However, there is one addition I want to make but the part hasn't come in yet so I won't close off the build quite yet.  But for the most part, it's finished. It's not as detailed as it should have been but to me it's a good model.  There were some discrepancies between the plans and the picture on the box.  But I did what I thought was correct.  The bench is now empty, waiting for the next build.
 

After numerous small builds, I've started a larger build, Glad Tidings.  When I first saw the Glad Tidings kit in the Model Expo catalog, I couldn't get past the paint scheme.  But then I saw the video Jamie Peghiny posted of the launch of the pinky schooner Ardelle in MSW 1.0.  I fell in love with the design of the Pinky and purchased the Glad Tidings kit.  
 
What is unusual for this build for me, is this is the first build where there are build logs on MSW I can refer to!  These MSW build logs will provide invaluable information!  While I'm not one to build per instructions, since there's so much to learn on this build, I'll stay close, but if I see something I like, I'll make some changes.  (Expect changes, starting with the planking.......)  
 
Before cutting out the bulkheads, they were color coded.  I nearly lost it when #18 ended up backwards.  Then I realized this bulkhead was sideways on the sheet.
 
I found out that CA glue doesn't like the ink in Sharpie markers.  
 
The top of green #11 is about 1/2mm low, so a thin strip will be added.  #5 on the starboard side and #3 & #4 on the port side, each have a small bump that needs to be sanded out.  

 
And a few more photos

 

 

 

Thanks, Digby...
 
But, now I'm terribly confused.  Here's a site ( http://www.modellismo.net/forum/navi-e-velieri-work-progress/75397-leudo-siciliano-1-30-santa-lucia-panart-mantua-6.html) that shows a build log of the Mantua kit with double planking.  Even more discouraging is that the log stops abruptly over six years ago... uncompleted at that point.  
 
Perhaps double planking is an option and not necessary.  Your finished model is spectacular!
 
Rob

Thanks so much, Digby, that is absolutely gorgeous!  Although, to my mostly-beginner eyes, it looks like a terrifying build... the double planking seems kind of scary.  
 
So far, my only experience with hull planking was when I actually planked the solid hull of my Bluejacket Constitution (their mid-1980s version).  It took forever, but when completed, I thought it looked great... then I painted the hull (!) and learned than painting over nicely fitted planking pretty much makes the planking disappear... well, if one uses too much paint, I suppose.  Oh well, I'm still proud of my Constitution!  If only I had known about this Forum before I did the copper tape below the waterline... 

regards Digby

Thanks, Digby... and chance you can post a photo oir two?
 
Rob

Thank you, Mark, for your response.  Actually, the kit I was asking about is a Mantua (of Italy) kit.  For some reason, I'm fascinated by these little 'working boats' of the Mediterranean.    Here it is: https://www.mantuamodel.co.uk/1_Model_Boats___Ships/Panart_model_boats/_744_Santa_Lucia_46.html