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That ship is coming along nicely. I can picture you behind the monitor with the plan in view, picking a part, sending it over to laser saw - have it cut out and use it for the ship. Marc

The bottom picture is what all the boats look like if you build them. Also, the three Fluits go from Large, medium and small. The largest being used for Oceans and the smaller ones for European waters. The Zeehaen - fluit (A. Tasman) which is also in the book of Abel Tasman has 16 plans. Very elaborate. The folder that holds the plans is about 3 times thicker than the book itself and the 1:48 plans make for a substantial size boat, so many details can be added. Marc

I have decided to do a serious review on this book and the plans and here it is. (avsjerome2003) just mentioned the book and nothing else. 17th century Dutch Merchant Ships Text, Photos and Plans for the Ship Modeler. By A. J. Hoving Plans by C. Emke Models by H. Tomesn Graphics by E. Hoving Publisher: SeaWatch Books, LLC Case Bound, Full Color, Dust Jacket Year: 2014 Large 8.5x11 format Pages: 152 and 24 sets of plans from 10 merchant ship types in the scale of 1-48 and 1-96. ISBN: 978-0-9904041-1-8 With this book all the plans modelers may need to recreate a whole range of vessels from the Dutch Golden Age. The plans are on thick stock (paper) and the ships areas follows” Seagoing Vessels: Pinas Witsen – scale 1-96 – 4 sheets of plans. Fluit “Langewijk” – scale 1-96 – 3 sheets of plans. Fluit “Zeehaen” (Able Tasman) – scale 1-96 – 3 sheets of plans. Fluit “Roode Leeuw” – scale 1-96 – 2 sheets of plans. Cat “Peacock” – scale 1-96 – 1 sheet of plans. Coastal Trade: Boyer 86ft – scale 1-48 – 3 sheets of plans. Galliot – scale 1-48 – 2 sheets of plans. Inshore: The Narrow- & Wide-ship – scale 1-48 – 2 sheets of plans. Kaag – scale- 1-48 – 1 sheet of plans. Fishermen as Traders: Buss 1598 – scale 1-96 – 1 sheets of plans. Hooker – scale 1-96 – 1 sheets of plans. Pink – scale 1-48 – 1 sheet of plans. ISBN: 978-0-9904041-2-5 Note: Three Fluits is one ship type. Summary of the people that created this book. Ab Hoving: Worked as the chief model restorer in the Rijksmuseum in Amsterdam. Studied the technique of Dutch ship building in the 17th and 18th century. He has written numerous books, articles in several magazines and given lectures. He has been involved in major replica building projects, such as Duyfken (West Australia, Statenjacht (Utrecht) and others. Cor Emke: After he retired as a manager from an American Co. in forklifts Cor dedicated his life in building ship models of Dutch vessels from the 17th century. In cooperation with Ab Hoving he produced many AutoCAD drawings of ships, thus filling the gap in the availability of such draughts. Together with Ab he has been involved in several replica projects, like the Statenjacht Utrecht and De 7 Provincien. Herbert Tomesen: Herbert runs a company in Amsterdam, Holland, Artitec (www.artitec.nl), which produces architectural models. He produced large scenery models of ancient cities in many museums in Holland. He built a huge diorama of Roadstead of Texel in the 17th century containing over a hundred ships. The models in this book are by him. Emiel Hoving: Ab’s son Emiel studied art in Groningen and has been a graphic designer for almost 20 years. He works for Artitec and did the design for Ab’s first book, Message in a model and Statenjacht Utrecht. For the pictures in this book he took photgraphs of Herberts models and used PhotShop to create images of what Dutch maritime world looked like in the 17th century. Summary: The book is well written with numerous pictures, beautiful maritime paintings, copies of old building plans, hull renderings and many ship models. Well documented historical information to give the reader a good picture of what type of ships were used in the 17th century Dutch trade. There is a detailed chapter of what items the Dutch traded in Europe and Russia and one can see that their wealth was first of all connected with their trading position Europe and that is what created their prosperity. The Dutch were Europe’s main freighters. Another detailed chapter discusses how the ships were built. What measurements and ratios were used to produce a type of ship. In the back of the book there is a comparison chart of Witsen and Van Yk’s shipbuilding Formula’s. Several detailed renderings how the Dutch build there ships, “shell first”. The chapters after that gives the reader detailed descriptions of the type of ship described which include close-ups from ship models, paintings and realistic Photoshop images. It is too bad the book does not include a CD-Rom with the plans on it like the book from Abel Tasman. The advantage of this would be that you could view, zoom and pan the drawings on the computer monitor and print them to scale different from those that are supplied with the book.

I just got the book and the picture you have up there is not in the book. Marc

This book is not available in Holland? Wow. You would think that the market for Dutch speaking people would be there. Plus it is by a Dutch Author. I like the various ship drawings already. Plan to make a few of these. I'll wait with a fluit. Marc

I have ordered this book and can't wait to read about it. Thank you for publishing this. Marc

The book is available in English from Amazon Germany and another German site. The author Manfred Stein is German. ***//www.amazon.de/Prisoner-War-Models-Treasures-Napoleonic/dp/3782212053 ***//www.koehler-mittler-shop.de/Neuerscheinungen-Koehler---Mittler/Stein--Manfred--Prisoner-of-War---Bone-Ship-Models--Treasures-from-the-age-of-Napoleonic-Wars.html Then there is this German site that has many reference in English. ***//www.pow-boneships.de/ I went to many sites and there a lot of bone models available. It is not really a rare item, except the price. $25K to infinity. Marc

I hate to admit this as it is soooo embarrassing but I made a colossal mistake on the frames and cannot redo this. So I went to Menards, Home Depot and Lowes and purchase more wood in 1/4 & 3/16the thickness. The boards are Aspen and plywood. I am starting over and this time it will be correct. It is to complicated to explain what I did. Like I always say; "If you don't make a mistake, you don't make any." and " it is wood, one can redo". Now that I have more time as all the plants are dormant, I can put some work in it and I have to finish the case for the "Mary" and also need to finish the rigging of the "Scout" which is a 54" cargo ship from a kit company "Sterling" Marc

If you get the Nautical Research Journal, the Autumn 2013 Vol. 58. No. 3 back cover has a detailed picture of the bow of a "Napoleonic prisoner-of-war model of a 74 gun ship-of-the-line, French/English, circa 1790. It is from Bonhams.com/maritime auction. This ship went for $22,500. Here is another one: ***//bonhams.com/departments/COL-MAR/ Pretty cool. Marc

I will find a way to get this book. It has always amazes me how these models were made with the bare minimum of tools. I also heard that the red on these ships is blood. Marcus

Thanks for the information about Spanish cedar. My biggest pet peeve about Common names is that they make NO sense. Who ever comes up with some of them needs to have there head examined. Furthermore, they are so local. For some strange reason the common name of Juniperus virginiana is Eastern Redcedar with all other species known as juniperus. The wood of the tree species is used for furniture (cedar chests). In the Chamaecyparis family there is: Chamaecyparis nootkatensis (Alaska Yellow Cedar) Chamaecyparis thyroids (Atlantic Whitecedar or Whitecedar False cypress Chamaecyparis lawsoniana (Port Orford Cedar or Oregon cedar or Lawson Falsecypress) When people ask me about some species in English I go through my "brain" hard drive and come up with all sorts of species. Then I describe them and see what the person thinks it is. Bottom line...... I hate common names........ but it is necessary. Marc

From a Forestry/Botanical point of view.. (quoted from several of my Taxonomy books) Cedar is found in most parts of the world. It is a coniferous tree and is part of the pine family. They grow rapidly when exposed to direct sunlight. Cedar trees are used as decorative or ornamental purposes while landscaping Benefits Of Cedar The major uses of cedar tree are from its bark and oil. The bark of the cedar tree produces scented wood, known as cedar wood. Cedar oil is extracted from the cedar wood. The wood is used for the following: - It is resistant to decay and hence is suitable to build outdoor furniture. - It produces aesthetically beautiful furniture. - It is easy to work with as it is lightweight and doesn’t crack or split easily. - It is highly durable. - It can absorb sound effectively, so are used in building ceiling shingles. - It is a good insulator; hence, when a home is built using cedar wood, it helps keep the home warm in winter and cool in summer. - Though its color fades after a while, it can easily be restored. - It doesn’t spread fire easily hence it is suited for building purposes. - It is a natural anti-termite, which is it prevents furniture form rotting. - Due to its lightweight and strength, western red cedar is used to make guitars. Uses Of Cedar Tree Types Each Cedar species has its own distinct features that serve a lot of purposes. - Northern white cedar is used for building canoes and fences. - Australian red cedar is most valuable of all cedar since it used in building ships. Did not say if it was for life size ships or model ships. - California incense cedar is used for making pencils. - Eastern red cedar is also used for fence-building. - Japanese cedar is used for building houses. - Spanish cedar is used on clothing for its fragrance and insect repelling quality. The oil is used for the following: - It is used as an insect repellent. - In ancient times, it was used to preserve dead bodies. - It is used as incense in temples. - It is used as aromatic oil, because its woody odor works as a sedative and effectively treats stress and anxiety in people. - Due to its aroma, it is used as an ingredient in perfumes. - It is used for preservation of spices. - It is used as an antibacterial. - Its health benefits include effectively treating respiratory infections. - It is beneficial to hair, as it helps eliminate dandruff and protects the hair against hair fall and graying. - It also effectively treats skin infections such as acne. - It is also used in treating arthritis, especially rheumatoid. - It is also used for its antiseptic property. Thank you for reading. Marc

Here is a link from Jack Panzeca who is building the and his homemade steam gadget. http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/5712-oseberg-viking-ship-by-jack-panzeca-billing-boats-125-scale-9th-century-modified/page-11 http://www.rockler.com/steam-bending-kit-w-free-bentwood-carryall-plan-download Marc

Like ammonia, alcohol dissolves the lignin in the wood. The other thing is that people used to use anhydrous ammonia, but that is a bit too dangerous to use so they started using household ammonia. Forget all the chemicals to bend wood. Like Kurtvd19 says, 'water is still the best method'. Use the natural ingredients and not the man-made ones. Many of you have different methods that you use and it works for you. To me this is cumbersome. Too many steps and I am not in a hurry. When museums restore a model and or build one they use water only. Plant physiology on a cellular level: Water will soak and make the dry intact cell walls of the individual lignin spaces moist and pliable. You bend to form, clamp it and it will dry naturally. Leaving some of the cell walls intact and others cracked, but most of the individual cells are still there. Water evaporates but ammonia and alcohol melt the cell walls. Try spraying alcohol or ammonia on plant leaf and see what happens. Do it in 90 degrees F and see the leaf melt in front of your eyes. Once the cells and cell walls melt and the chemical evaporates it leaves larger holes here and there. The integrity of the lignin is gone and makes the wood wobbly. Meaning it has bubbles. I will not bore you with the very detailed plant cell physiology of the steps of how wood deteriorates with chemicals. There have been many scientific articles written on this subject and the above is some of the basic information. avsjerome2003 - Surfactant or sticker is pretty similar to dish washer soap like Dawn. In horticulture a surfactant is mainly used to make a herbicide stick to the plant. Once dry, the chemical does its job. Also there is a minimum run-off when spraying it on the plant, like they say a "sticker". Soap does the same thing and it is what I use. If you want more details I can give you some links of some deep explanations on this subject. Marc

I am working on that. Will post a thread in the museum part of the forum. One for the Rijks museum and on for the Naval museum. Marc

So true AND it screws up the wood. As it says, 'degrade" the wood. It becomes a 'different state', it no longer is the original piece of wood. In the long run the wood degrades and becomes wobbly. There are many processes of bending wood but water/steam is still the one of best method to bend wood. It has been around for centuries. There are several Dutch naval painting's that show the bending of planks for ships. Some of the replica's that were built in the Netherlands (Amsterdam and the Utrecht), the bending of 3 inch thick planks were done with steam. On a later date I will add another quote on chemical bending vs natural bending. Marc

Looks to be ready for display in het Scheepvaart (Naval) museum in Amsterdam. I like the sails on the ship. My motto is, " a ship is complete with the sails". 95% of the model ships in museums have sails, either fully open or furled. Excellent job. I love the stern on the Batavia. The "Michiel de Ruyter" is a movie I have to see. I will just wait for Netflix or VuDu. Marc

While I was on vacation at the naval museum in Amsterdam I took these pictures from the model Volvo 70 ABN-AMRO. It was part of model display of 400 years of yachting in the Netherlands. Antique models from 1600 to modern models of 2000. btw. I took 500 pictures of models, paintings, figureheads, etc. all from Dutch ships. Marc

Beautiful workmanship. Excellent job and the colors look good as well. I do like the head carvings. I remember in the 90's the Batavia was in Philadelphia (one of the SAILS) and I took many pictures of her especially all the carvings. Marc

Every carving you show is just beautiful. The details for such a small piece is amazing. You are an excellent carver. Hard stikke mooi schip. Marc

Pete; What is the material you are making the sails from and where do you purchase that? This boat would look cool as R/C. Marc

:)Hans; The Batavia is coming along very beautiful. You are doing an excellent job on this ship and I have been following closely on your built. I love the lines of this ship as well as the colors. What book/article is the ezelhoofd and rakketalie from? The "rakklootjes", (bottom right)...... . Interesting name LOL. Marc

dgbot; Thanks for the similar advice. I removed the too thick of the frames and redid them so after measuring the hull I am off by 2mm. Which is fine by me. I also measured where the canon holes should be and I am good to go. Mirabell61; Lots of scrap wood which is always used for something. Cutting and sanding wood is best done outside as I do not have a vacuum setup indoors to remove sawdust. So I plan to do most of the cutting and sanding of wood in late spring, summer and fall. Marc

robin b. - Thank you for your interest. You will not be disappointed. tlevine - Thank you for this important tip. I did not even think about this. I will take your advice and redo the incorrect frames. Thanks, Marc

Several boo-boos have been made. Some of the frames are 1/4" where they have to be 3/16" and vice versa. There are more 1/4" frames than 3/16" so the boat is about a 1/2" longer than the original plan. I thought of re-doing these frames but it is all wood, so one can manipulate this very easily. I checked the plans from Hoving and Emke and it is not significant. The boat will just be a wee bit longer. Marc