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Yes...that is a famous painting. I've read that since the Confederates traded with England....they would capture clippers even in their ports and destroy them. Not to mention any that tried to make it past their blockade to the south around the horn. It is a true sadness that the war decimated, not only the clippers but our dominance in world trade.
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Yes...and we can thank the American Civil war for that as well. Hundreds of clippers were taken or burned as victims of war by the South. Mike tells me that he is getting a grip on his collection and that he will, in some time, be able to track down some more images. He thinks we are coming along nicely and that the corrections I've made make sense and are bringing us closer to Glory's true design. I hope to make several small models(Possibly 1:700) of her as she was originally built and as her final configuration....to provide a true comparison of her evolution. Rob
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This figurehead is from the clipper America. She was totally white and is now at a resort called Rosario in the PNW. Beautiful
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That deck house measurement wasn't for clippers...just an example of how designers used symmetry in constructing their vessels. I was referencing the WIDTH of the cabin not length. It was easy to use body parts as measuring tools....and ship parts were utilized in the same way. Pretty cool huh? Rob
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Interesting note to ponder. It was not uncommon for captains to paint the figurehead prior to entering port. This detail was left up to the privy of the captain. I tend to think....from painting evidence and those of first hand recollections, that she was originally all white....similarly like the Cutty Sark. She too was repainted when she fell to Portuguese ownership as the Ferreira....dark hair and a blue dress. This might be taken into account... the dark hair and gold trim of her flowing gowns fringe. Regardless....white paint would have been easiest......though I think I recall reading somewhere, her being repainted with bright red lips and cheeks once. Rob
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My calculations place it roughly at 24' as well. 3' before the first band and 3' past the 7th band. 8, 3' spaces equal 24" Rob
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Rich... that is actually 9' from the inner bobstay eyelet, 12' from the outer. Those eyelets were probably bolted through the iron bands for strength. Rob
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Good information. That 3' band distance is good to know when calculating head gear and hood dimensions. I emailed Mike about what I've been up to and hope he jumps in here to see. I didn't post any of my images directly to him via email. He and Arina check these pages often I think. I can't post too many images from work to his email. Thanks for all your work and communications with Mike...it helps a lot. Rob
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Several interesting notes. Her inner bobstay mounts to the bowsprit roughly 7.5ft (90")from the head of the figurehead...which happens to be the length of the figurehead. Also noted is that the distance from the head of the figurehead outward from the vertical from the cutwater(entrance of the hull into the water or copper line) is exactly the same distance as the length of two figureheads or 180". One thing is for sure(and this was true for many clipper builders), they built them utilizing their own measurements. Meaning the length of a foremast from the prow of the forecastle was the length of the lower foremast, or the width of deck houses was the distance from foremast to mainmast multiplied 4 times. Lots of unique measurement tricks allowed the shipwrights to keep things simple, yet elegantly balanced. Rememberable.
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Playing with the new images...I took some measurements and using the figurehead as the foundation and the height of the copper line I was able to make some changes to my drawing that better mimics the San Pedro image. As you can see I altered the stem to have more of a parabolic curve...being more vertical exiting the water and then making the curve up and forward to the foot of the figurehead. The figurehead is a sloppy mess...but is 7.5ft long and the hood's length is 2 and one third the length of the figurehead. The copper line to the false keel is 22ft. Scale is 1/8" to 1'------
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Great images for sure. That first is when she is being fitted out for Salmon factory service. It gives us a clear view of her naval hood and the bowsprit. wonderful. The jib-boom's root is better seen here as well. I'll take some new measurements and try to validate some things...using your figurehead idea. Love it...we are getting much more info for a much better model. Rob
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Richard..... Great observations and clear imagery. I went back to the enlarged image of San Pedro and imposed my corrected drawing over it. Now apart from accepted distortions...I think I got pretty close. My drawing is set at the waterline... You can see that the figurehead is slightly lower on the San Pedro image. I also have determined that the curve of the stem is more of a paraboloid as I had originally imagined. Making the curve slightly concaved from a true circle. The bobstay plates are pretty close to were they would be...if you reference her pre launching image...compared to her copper line. The location of her figurehead is pretty close to what I had imagined from other images. I'm gather its true location is somewhere in the middle of the two imposed images. The pink lines are drawn on the San Pedro image outlining her lines. Any thoughts?
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Michael, Not to be nitpicky, but if you notice your seat cushion compared to the actual one on the real boat...you will notice your model has a finish board along the front of the cushion, I noticed this earlier but didn't want to say anything. But a person would *Pinch* the back of their leg against that uncomfortable finish board. The image you posted of the real boat shows a cushion with a pleasant soft edge. It looks like your seat cushions might need to be a bit longer. Compare the two and you'll see what I mean. Apart from that your model is extremely beautiful and the details impeccable. The image you posted of the real boat makes me drool.......... Rob
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Fantastic! I need to see the new images first. Mike didn't send them to me. Rob
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Yep Abe Books. I love finding these small pamphlets. Many times they contain more personal information. Information that can get left out of larger more general information publications. When I was researching for my Great Republic build, I cam across this pamphlet written about single family builders of clipper ships. Fascinating read. many smaller yards jumped on the bandwagon to make fast clippers. That was were the money was.
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My father-n-law was a Navy crewmen who served as the crew on the Bounty during her filming in Tahiti. Too bad she sunk..... Rob -
Beautiful Michael....just wonderful, and the green is so stately and nautical. Great choice. Sorry to hear about the passing of your beloved shipmate. Rob
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Looks like you are the one who bought that pamphlet our from under me. the one I was looking at was from Canada and when I went to get it, it was just sold........to you I presume....Heehee I'm still waiting to see the photographs Mike has of the Glory from a direct frontal view and the one from her on the ways taken from across the street from Mckay's yard. Rob
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Rich. Sounds like good advice. My model of her represents her as McKay originally built her, though I did make a few modification errors mixing time frame mods. I’d like to have a model of her of when she first came into service and one after all her significant mods had been made. I’ll definitely be in touch with Mike concerning data points.
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Pointers were applied to counter the effects of Hogging.....in many clippers they were replaced with iron lattice. It is a notefull observation to recall that the Great Republic was of such a stout construction that she employed many long pointers as well as iron cross braced lattice. Making her one of the most strongly built clippers ever constructed. Rob
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The turned wood stanchions are a unique way to display her.....I like it. Good job. Rob
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